[Closed] Coalition - the first hundred days - falling out or loving in?

[quoteI do see the amount of votes the tories had as a mandate for them, at the end of the day they had the largest vote share of any other single party. More people agreed with them than with any other single party.
But not enough to fom a government so I dont eally see this is a mandate for them. Certainly they should be in govt[minority] but not sure how not winning enough votes is a mandate they all have that mandate as none of them got a majority. In factso do we as we did noget enough setas/vtes either.

you vote for parties and candidates

I asume I'm missing something here

Yes cant think of anything else either[where 3rd takes power] but unless we change to some sort of AV or two party system not sure how we can get to 50% votes for one party. I am not in favour of overly rewrding wnners with only 36% of the vote

Ok, we're going round in circles now, I've got nothing new to add. If you're looking for responses to what you've just posted, you can re-read what I've already said. 🙂

trailmonkey - Member

It's a triumph of disappointment over anticipation

Bit like NuLabour then

Didn't spot the bit where NuLabour were deliberately pursuing policies that attacked those least able to cope to fund a crisis created by those most able to pay for their misdemeanours. Did I miss that bit?

No you didn't miss it. That would be because I never claimed it.

NuLab did however gain power in 97 and we anticipated that things could only get better. We were dissapointed.

Hence, what I said ........

It's a triumph of disappointment over anticipation

Bit like NuLabour then

............made perfect sense.

Ah I see.

OK well there you are, the whole problem with democracy is that you have to get elected. A large proportion of the electorate are shall we say, of the challenged of the attention span type and thus politicions of all hues have to get these to both like them and vote for them. Thus you end up with some very strange things going on pre election, such as NuLabour and the Big Society.

Hopefully those amongst us who can out concentrate a fruit fly can see through that though. Personally, I really did hope (but not expect) that this election would, given all of the opportunites presented to it, rise above the banality of party politics and award the long suffering public with a cosmic leap forward in the political culture of this nation. Regrettably thats not the case and the same old dogma is once more ****ing up the lives of those the politicos are supposed to be improving and defending.

Better for you?

things could only get better

Fox Hunting Ban
No smelly fags in pubs.
Relaxed licensing laws.
Better NHS
Loads of money for schools (until recently)

Some things got better for some of us.

+1 for Darcy

Glad things got better for you.

As a died in the wool and not very wealthy Labour voter I can assure you that NuLabour were a big dissapointment after years of Tory misrule.

Still, as long as the foxes were saved eh ?

Still, as long as the foxes were saved eh ?

Wrong thread you need the bull fighting one for that argument.

As a died in the wool and not very wealthy Labour voter I can assure you that NuLabour were a big dissapointment after years of Tory misrule.

Obviously better off with this lot then?

trailmonkey - how about the family tax credit then - that made a real difference to the working poor. I know several folk to whom it made the difference between being able to work and train and to sit on the dole. Pensioners did well out of them as well

Devolution has changed the UK for ever

I do agree they were too timid and wasted the opportunity they had where they could have done more - then squandered all the goodwill in Iraq

minimum wage
European convention on Human Rights
Social charter

Think all early days of nu Labour
Nothing radical about this surely we could all predict cutiing public services anyone care to guess when the last tory govt did not do this I wil take a punt on Hulme as all the ones is my lifetime have done this

As a died in the wool and not very wealthy Labour voter I can assure you that NuLabour were a big dissapointment after years of Tory misrule.

I can't say I'm as dyed in the wool as you, being an emigrant, but even from outside the country, would have always voted left. But I thought the early years weren't too bad to be honest.

NuLab's reign can never be talked about without including the two wars they've dragged us into and that will always cloud any good they did. And it should.

The almost derailed Peace Process in NI back on track (though goodness knows, from recent weeks, there's still work to be done).

And actually, your comment about the foxes was pretty glib. A lot of people (yes, I was one of them, urbane meddling tw4t that I am) felt strongly on this subject. Labour promised a free vote in parliament and it was delivered.

Just going to echo Junkyard's minimum wage - massively fought against by Tories, employers, most of the printed media, yet it was pushed through. And even though the lowest earners still don't earn enough, they'd be earning less if it wasn't there. No point in letting the market decide.

The Tories, Uncle Rupert and The Telegraph have done a marvellous job of spinning us all into thinking for a while that the recession is actually Labour's fault. Yes, they have to take responsibility for some of the debt we're in. But I don't fancy many of the chaps in the city that caused the recession have ever voted Labour.

And anyway, the tories are secretly delighted we're in such debt. They've got us all running in fear of our lives over it and it gives them a perfect excuse to slash and burn.

EDIT: I can only hope that Labour will swing back to the left again (for the likes of you and me) and finds more principles there and that the middle classes realise that even they are not safe from the cuts.

'Letting the Market Decide' is like leaving a dog in a room with enough food to last it a week. It will gorge itself stupid on day one, and will have starved to death by the end.

tj -by the end of their tenure the gap between rich and poor and inequalities based on gender and ethnicity had increased. it would seem that tax credits and increases to pensions had little effect on the wider trend.

tj -by the end of their tenure the gap between rich and poor and inequalities based on gender and ethnicity had increased. it would seem that tax credits and increases to pensions had little effect on the wider trend.

I believe (and I say this with tongue firmly in cheek) that they slowed down the rate at which it's increasing 🙂

Watch it shoot up now though.

they also significantly reduced the educational attainment gap between rich and poor. Mind you I found this funny
[url= http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/middle-class-could-be-forced-to-pay-for-things-they-can-afford-201008183010/ ]Middle class forced to pay for things they can afford[/url]

'Letting the Market Decide' is like leaving a dog in a room with enough food to last it a week. It will gorge itself stupid on day one, and will have starved to death by the end

Your grasp of economics seems flawed. It takes far longer than a week to starve a dog.

It also proves the link between socialist wreckers and animal cruelty.