[Closed] Citizen Dave

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can anyone remember an opposition leader not making this exact speech

I can.

What Blair said was different. Something about a 'Stakeholder Society' and also some stuff about reforming the House of lords. Don't know whatever came of it. He did do the devolution stuff and London Assembly/London Mayor, although it didn't quite go according to [i]his[/i] plan.

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
Don't get fooled again
No, no!

Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss

And they've delivered the sum total of 2 monstrously expensive, toothless talking shops in the provinces. YAY!

OK - I'll bite. The Scots parliament I guess you are referring to. It has actually done rather a lot. No internal market / foundation hospitals, no city academies, no private suppliers in the NHS.

Reduced prescription prices, end to warrant sales, different student funding arrangements

No question the Scots parliament has worked and is supported by most scots.

No question the Scots parliament has worked and is supported by most scots.

and funded by.......

😉

nope cameron will play the man of the people card until he is in power

then he will start greasing the palms of all his oxbridge buddies and the various members of the CBI (aka future peers of the realm)who have been stuffing the tory war coffers the past year or so

basically the only people that will be better off under cameron are this lot

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No internal market / foundation hospitals, no city academies, no private suppliers in the NHS.

Tony Blair must be seriously p1ssed off - where did it all go wrong ? Weren't you guys supposed to elect his hand-picked stooges ?

CFH - behave! you know Scotland supports England thru the oil. The cash flows from Scotland to England!

Thats twice I have bitten on this thread

Yes Kimbers. But look at their faces. Don't they simply radiate a certain humility. A humble public service ethic that leads them towards government not in pursuit of wealth and power, but to genuinely do some good for society as a whole, particularly the weak an vulnerable 😀

Actually kimbers, for me that's one of Cameron's most (possibly) redeeming qualities - his 'upperclassness'.

Maybe it's just desperate wishful thinking on my part, but I'm hoping that Cameron will [i]possibly[/i] show the more patriarchal benevolence which was once prevalent amongst the British upper-classes towards the lower-classes. A bit more of a 'Harold Macmillan' if you will. But I could be wrong - there's no real way of knowing until he becomes PM.

Certainly the most callous, reactionary, and right-wing tories imo, come from more humble backgrounds - the Thatchers and Tebbits of this world. And the One Nation Tories invariably originate from more aristocratic backgrounds.

But rather than just say it, they've written it down and told us how it can work!

Its all in [url= http://www.amazon.co.uk/Plan-Twelve-Months-Renew-Britain/dp/0955979900 ]The Plan[/url]

You still banging on about that raving right-wing ranting nutter Dan Hannan, Zulu-Eleven ? 😯

.....the one who wants to scrap the NHS ? 😯

i dunno about upper class patrochial benevolence, watched the alan clark diaries at the weekend
and he was the son of a lord and a racist, mysoginist drunk who despised the common folk

I soooo hope he is not elected. The country will regret it when he dismantles the NHS as he is pledged to do.

He is a deceitful nasty snobbish liar. One of the most unpleasant politicians I have ever know - worse than Blair

Best outcome - Hung parliament leading to PR

I soooo hope he is not elected.

You're not going to be a very happy bunny this time next year TJ 🙁

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Although ..... "worse than Blair" ......it might cheer you up when you realise that isn't possible.

Well the only good thing for me about Cameron getting elected would be that independence for Scotland might well not be far behind. No more unrepresentative tory governments for Scotland ever.

Thing is - I am sure Blair was sincere but deluded from talking to his imaginary friend, wheras I am sure Cameron is simply a liar

It'd take a hell of a lot to be worse than Blair, something I think even Cameron isn't up to.

Read the book Ernie - then play the ball 😉

If you can pick apart Hannan's carefully laid out arguments then feel free!

I'm enjoying what's left of the BBC for the next year. Because once the tories get their hands on it, it could well be curtains

I am sure Blair was sincere

LOL ! ......... the most insincere PM I've ever known. And not a liar ? LOL !

Thatcher was sincere. No one can claim that they didn't know what they were voting for with her.

And she made it absolutely crystal-clear to me, that she was going to screw the country.

Since when were Blair and Brown types of wine?

Ernie - my view. I think he was absolutely sincere just totally deluded. I think Cameron is a nasty opportunist liar

I must admit that having been a member of the TRG, I can't quite manage to sit Cameron with One Nation tendencies.

You think he was "absolutely sincere" when, as an ambitious young Labour party member keen to impress his fellow activists that he was leadership quality, he joined CND, TJ ?

Funny how he dropped the CND 'baggage' when impressing Daily Mail readers became more important than impressing fellow activists 😉

I'd like to sum up Tony Blair in just one word.

Unfortunately I can't .........a liar, a cheat, a fraudster and a charlatan.

And didn't he do well for himself ?

the worrying thing is that cameron (and clegg) seem to have styled their appearance, manerisms, oily demeanor and fake smile on tony blair anyway
it amazes me that cameronophiles cant see where he got it all from
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Yeah, but what about the 'Tony Blair Thumb' kimbers ? No other **** does that ....

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And as far Clegg is concerned, he ain't called 'Camaron-light' for nothing.

He got the thumb off Clinton.

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Does anyone else do this?

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..or this?

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..or dance like a robot?

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blair looks like he should be growling like an angry kitty

He got the thumb off Clinton.

That appears to be very true CaptJon.

So let me get this straight ....... Tony Blair got his domestic policies from Thatcher, his foreign policies from George Bush, and now, his "Tony Blair Thumbs" from Clinton ? 😯

Is there anything genuine about the guy ? 😕

The lying, cheating, charlatan, appears to have been an [i]even bigger[/i] fraud than I thought 😯

Because f course no-one ever used hand gestures to emphasise what they were saying before Clinton invented the idea. 🙄

actually citizen dave was using the thumb gesture talking to a load of 6th formers on the bbc news last night

I should imagine I (and millions of others) use it, and many other gestures, unconsciously every day. So fukkin what?

i think the thumbs up thing is some kind of sexual phallic dominance thing
body coaches tell them to do it to seem more authoritarian

I should imagine I (and millions of others) use it ......... every day

No one has ever used it whilst talking to me. Freak.

I always thought it made him look awkward and spazzy.

He got the thumb off Clinton.

It was one of the reasons they were so close.

Duntmatter asks does anyone else do this:

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Clearly yes:
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(Albeit with less fingers...)

going back to camerons speech, ive just read it and he is rebranding them progressive conservatives, which is quite reminscent of new labour

It could be alot worse!

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Strangely that's not the part of his anatomy I thought GWB talked out of.

I love picture specially the TB photo in the background.

Obviously it's not real...........but neither were the pair of ****s.

I knew Clinton was a voracious sexual predator but I did not realise he went that far.

That made me LOL (Clinton was a shagger but not a predator).

Clinton was a shagger but not a predator

He obviously left you with a positive impression.

he did send me flowers, and that makes all the difference

well clegg now says that there should be no summer holidays until this is addressed

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its sad no one will listen to him, as they are all on half term
as well as the murdoch papers and the torrygraph all ignoring him because he isnt the messiah they see in citizen dave

i think clegg nicely summed up camerons speech.......

"David Cameron's proposals set out in the Guardian on Tuesday were a masterful example of well-judged rhetoric free of substance and conviction."

Not sure about any of this, but whoever the sniper was in Kimbers's 2 pics on the first page - he needs to improve his aim.

its sad no one will listen to him, as they are all on half term

Surely he knows that so is this another piece of

well-judged rhetoric free of substance and conviction."

yeah probably - tho he does actually say what he wants to happen rather than camerons, 'we will discuss at some point in the future' ie typical politician weasle words

heres cleggs.....

[i]In the first two weeks parliament would agree to accept the recommendations of the review into MPs' expenses and allowances by the standards watchdog, draw up a bill to allow for the recall of errant MPs, and impose a £50,000 cap on individual donations to political parties in any year.

Constitutional reforms would then be introduced:

• By week three legislation would be passed to introduce fixed parliamentary terms of four years from 2010, denying the prime minister the right to name the date of general elections.

• By week four the new Commons Speaker would convene all-party talks to introduce a series of changes to parliamentary procedure that would be agreed by day 100. These include handing MPs the right to decide the parliamentary timetable and giving MPs a greater chance to scrutinise government spending and subject ministers to confirmation hearings.

• By weeks four to five parliament would pass legislation to allow a referendum to be held on electoral reform – the alternative vote-plus system proposed by the late Lord Jenkins – that would be held on day 100.

• By weeks six to seven parliament would pass legislation to replace the House of Lords with a wholly elected senate.
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Utter shite! 7 weeks to get legislation through parliament to completely change the parliamentary system. Good job there is less than no chance of it coming to fruition.

Yet again we have the Limp Dems displaying a complete lack of political nouse at a time when they should be benefiting from the other two parties embarrassment. I despair!!

Anyone seen a credible opposition? I’m sure I used to have one, but I can’t remember where I left it…..

when you put it like that....
they should definately be making more of their position and clegg is obviously not the man for the job

the point is the 7 week timetable could work if you told MPs they couldnt go to their mates yachts in corfu until it was sorted out

and before you say thats too short a time to debate such important issues, this debates been going on for decades mps know what would make things better/ fairer

Yep I do put it like that.

Clegg clearly knows what he is saying and what the likelihood is of anyone listening to him or taking it seriously. He could say that the moon is made out of blue cheese and get as much notice taken of him.

Just think in terms of how the rules stand, and any piece of legislation being fully debated, challenged in the House of Lords, amended, the amendments getting debated and then challenged again. Quick law is almost invariably poor law, simply because its been railroaded through without proper thought and study. (think Dangerours Dogs)

The man is self evidently talking utter tripe. Much as DC is. However, the furore being whipped up does lend itself to hot air being expelled rather than clear thought being had.