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CFH tried a version earlier
Only he didn't. All he did was trot out the "what about Corbyn" reflex, regardless of the total irrelevance of Corbyn to anything about this event.
But you knew that.
expect community leaders to apologise on their behalf?
Where did you read anything about apologising?
And this ladies and gentlemen is what you get when you elect a President for whom Morality and Respect are meaningless and irrelevant. What did we expect when the very President operates on the principal of selfishness and self aggrandisement?
Shall we check Doc?
For Trump, the fault is the right wing loons on the march in Charlottesville. For Corbyn, it's the murderous government in Venezuela. Neither is willing to admit it, so we get the mealy mouthed "on both sides" statements
But you knew that 😉
Third time lucky, maybe?
Are you suggesting that [url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/donald-trump/page/52 ]Bimbler's post on the Trump thread [/url] is inaccurate?
Shall we check Doc?
Please do. When you come up with anything that contradicts what I said, feel free to jump in again.
Try the bit in the quote box, it's what CFH actually said, but you knew that 😉
You're just repeating yourself. Boring.
And you keep making unfounded accusations. Even more boring. Actually not, revealing more like.
If anything, that's what's shameless.
Zzzzzzz
The subject of this thread is an event which occurred in the US, and a statement regarding that event by the President of the United States. What relevance to that does a comment of any sort by the leader of the British Labour party have?
In any case, why does discussing of what Trump says have to be "balanced" by something else? Perhaps we should criticise the sports reporters for not "balancing" their report of Chelsea vs Burnley with some reporting of a match that Chelsea won?
No, I'm afraid that CFH just couldn't help himself and for some reason you have chosen to attempt to defend the indefensible. Foolish.
Nice late edit - very telling that you felt the need.. Sorry for distrusting the nap.
Foolish to point lies out, correct - who cares about facts, eh ?? 😯
who cares about facts, eh ??
Not you, apparently.
With a bit of luck the alt right and antifa will wipe each other out.While I'd rather no one else suffered, or worse, died, this is about right.
No it isn't about right, and to pontificate like that while sitting comfortably thousands of miles away is shallow and arrogant.
I don't like the aggressive and violent nature of the militant anti-fascists, but to see them as just the left wing equivalent of the self-styled Nazis and white supremacists, and to say that they are no better than each other is very simplistic narrow thinking.
As far as I am aware the anti-fascists only exist and are only present in Charlottesville as a [i]response[/i] to the white supremacists march. Do you really think it would reflect better on America and the American people if there were no protests against the white supremacists? I think it would be much worse to see a march like that passing off without any protest or objection.
Part of the left has a long tradition of aggressive and even violent opposition to Nazi and racist movements, e.g. the Anti-Nazi League protests against the National Front, but to say that they are no better than the extreme right wing that they oppose is absurd when you consider the origins of the motivation for their protests, e.g. slavery and racism/racial discrimination in the USA and World War 2 in Europe.
Unfortunately, moderates don't seem to want to take up the baton to object to the white supremacists (maybe they are scared, I certainly would be), but for moderates to sit at home and denounce those who have the courage of their beliefs to oppose fascist behaviour is pretty pathetic, and suggests that the quote of Martin Luther King posted by deadlydarcy above was absolutely on the money.
What a remarkable coincidence
Are you suggesting that Bimbler's post on the Trump thread is inaccurate?
No idea. Just correcting the mistake in your post.
As far as I am aware the anti-fascists only exist and are only present in Charlottesville as a response to the white supremacists march.
Counter argument, the only reason the white supremacists are marching is the removal of a statue of General Lee, now, whether General Lee is someone to be respected and [i]erect[/i] a statue of is a complex question, but you could easily relate the removal of an [i]existing[/i] statue as an act of cultural vandalism against the peoples of the south, the removal is an overtly political act, with huge social and political overtones, in other places such deliberate actions have been prosecuted by the ICC as war crimes and acts of genocide.
Do you really think it would reflect better on America and the American people if there were no protests against the white supremacists?
Do you really think it would reflect better on America if lawfully authorised expressions of freedom of speech were prevented from being held due to the risk of violence by people who oppose it?
think it would be much worse to see a march like that passing off without any protest or objection.
Why not let them protest in peace? Isn't acceptance of others right to hold different opinions part of freedom of speech and democracy?
Part of the left has a long tradition of aggressive and even violent opposition to Nazi and racist movements, e.g. the Anti-Nazi League protests against the National Front,
Yes, they do, even promoting violence against people they don't agree with, "punch a nazi" for example.
but to say that they are no better than the extreme right wing that they oppose is absurd when you consider the origins of the motivation for their protests, e.g. slavery and racism/racial discrimination in the USA and World War 2 in Europe.
Ah, right, violence is acceptable when it's in support of a cause you believe is righteous?
a statue of General Lee
You lost. Get over it.
Posts with more 5 or more quotes?
I'm out.
p.s 10 pages. From page 4 onwards only thm, jy, ninfan and DrJ.
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I do love a nice car statue
You lost. Get over it.
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Nah, Jamie, I'm out. The BS is straying too far from the truth now - you might say verging on the shameless
a statue of General Lee
it runs deep north and south
You lost. Get over it.
Go tell the ACLU
No idea. Just correcting the mistake in your post.
I can't work up the enthusiasm to check whose graph is correct, so I'll assume it's yours.
So, Trump won on his own merits after all. Americans are a whole lot dumber than I imagined.
Carry on.
Ninfan, I know you like play devil's advocate, and sometimes it does serve a purpose in questioning and challenging lazy assumptions and 'groupthink', but in this case? Read what you have written - you yourself can see the gaping flaws in your counter arguments.
Counter argument, the only reason the white supremacists are marching is the removal of a statue of General Lee...such deliberate actions have been prosecuted by the ICC as war crimes and acts of genocide.
I realise it may have been amusing for you to construct that Alice in Wonderland justification, but remember this is about real people's lives, and not just something for your entertainment and diversion. Imagine what it must be like being a black person living in Charlottesville and seeing that statue everyday, and the implicit message its continuing existence and presence communicates to every black person in the South. The status quo argument is absurd.
Do you really think it would reflect better on America if lawfully authorised expressions of freedom of speech were prevented from being held due to the risk of violence by people who oppose it?
No, which is why I did not say that.
Why not let them protest in peace? Isn't acceptance of others right to hold different opinions part of freedom of speech and democracy?
They have the right to hold those opinions. They do not have the right to have the expression and promotion of those opinions go unchallenged. Again imagine if you were a black person and that was happened, and people instead told you that you should not make a fuss and just let the march pass off without any objection/protest/counter argument.
Ah, right, violence is acceptable when it's in support of a cause you believe is righteous?
No, I said nothing of the kind. I merely pointed out the origins of the militant anti-fascist campaigners, i.e. they came into being as a campaign against some of the worst actions in human history (the Nazis/WW2 and slavery in the USA), and to say they are as bad as each other is a ridiculous statement when you consider what the white supremacists etc. stand for.
I dunno, what is it with you right wing nut jobs and your fetish with the flags of defeated ideologies?
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Imagine what it must be like being a black person living in Charlottesville and seeing that statue everyday, and the implicit message its continuing existence and presence communicates to every black person in the South
Imagine what it must be like being a Muslim and having to look up at two great big statues of Buddha every day?
It's still deliberate cultural genocide
Only read this page and not surprised to see the usual suspect trolling/tugging hard.
what is it with you right wing nut jobs and your fetish with the flags of defeated ideologies?
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Aw shucks. Our pet right wing nut job is on to Corbyn again. 😆
The other obsession.
More what abouts by ninfan. Did you borrow off the masters of what abouts, the communists? Is that a picture from your favourite photo album? 😆
The other obsession.
Well he has to try and distract people from that far right terrorist attack that happened.
Pretty bad example Ninfan the video refers to a group from outside the area which destroyed the statues apparently against the wishes of the local people on the video.
In Charlottesville the elected city council are removing the statue if folk don't like it they can elect a different council.
Currently public opinion within the town seems divided although I should point out the plan was to relocate the statue not destroy it.
[url= https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/13/us/charlottesville-rally-protest-statue.html ]NYT[/url]
whether General Lee is someone to be respected and erect a statue of is a complex question,
Not really, unless you are pro slavery like he was.
but you could easily relate the removal of an existing statue as an act of cultural vandalism against the peoples of the south, the removal is an overtly political act, with huge social and political overtones, in other places such deliberate actions have been prosecuted by the ICC as war crimes and acts of genocide.
Maybe the people who rename Colston Hall will end up at The Hague??
Just in case anybody was wondering, looks like the alleged murderer really is a white supremacist neo-nazi.
Still can't confirm Corbyns involvement with respect to all this but as soon as I've worked it out I'll be right back...
Maybe the people who rename Colston Hall will end up at The Hague?
Well the ones who renamed Almondvale as The Tony Macaroni Arena certainly should
Still can't confirm Corbyns involvement with respect to all this but as soon as I've worked it out I'll be right back...
It won't get better until he condemns someone.
condemns
Weren't they the previous coalition?
unless you are pro slavery like he was.
Washington and Jefferson both owned slaves, but I don't see anyone blasting ther likenesses off Mount Rushmore
Just in case anybody was wondering, looks like the alleged murderer really is a white supremacist neo-nazi.
Again, actions of an individual are not representative of the beliefs or values of the wider peace-loving national socialist community, yadda yadda, lone wolf, etc.
Different times, man.
Etc.
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sung to flash light by Parliament
Washington and Jefferson both owned slaves, but I don't see anyone blasting ther likenesses off Mount Rushmore
Whatabout whatabout whatabout
Too slow!
Let's build a monument to Ninfan, we can make it a Strawman
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Loses argument, resorts to ad hom
Loses argument, resorts to ad hom
I havent noticed an argument being presented by you yet.
A number of people here are alluding to the violence being down to the actions of a minority in the region, and the greater community should not be connected to them. I made a comment back on page one that hasn't been picked up on, and I've managed to find the original Associated Press article I was referencing:
http://www.apnewsarchive.com/2017/Some-white-Southerners-are-again-advocating-for-what-the-Confederacy-tried-and-failed-to-achieve-in-the-1860s-secession-from-the-Union/id-a2962ecaab7d444d87cd74bf87bfdfff
There are people in the South who want a return to things as they were before the 1860's, but of course, those who were persecuted back then will have nothing to fear now, no siree bob...
What's happened in Charlotte seems to be just the visible head of the boil that's lurking under the skin of modern America.
So, stories coming out now that his car had been surrounded by antifa protesters attacking him and he was trying to get away. Unverified but seems like a realistic scenario. I assume that if confirmed the usuals will stop calling it murder or terrorism and instead condemn the protesters who attacked him?
You only need to watch the footage to know that is a big load of bullshit.
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😆 bravo!ninfan - Member
Again, actions of an individual are not representative of the beliefs or values of the wider peace-loving national socialist community
ninfan - Memberseems like a realistic scenario
As long as you really, really want to believe it, because the video footage refutes it completely. It's just one of many false accounts, excuses and misdirections that have been purposefully spread. At least this one's not leading to random, innocent people getting death threats.
Yes and if* its complete bollocks you will criticise it for a right wing attack on legitimate peaceful protesters and admit you are full of shit.
You know you can watch the video
Is there nothing you wont troll and scribble on even death of innocents
Its rhetorical we all know the depth to which you Plummet in the name of scribbling
* even the faux right wing gun toting pretend nutjob knows its bollocks
As long as you really, really want to believe it, because the video footage refutes it completely. It's just one of many false accounts, excuses and misdirections that have been purposefully spread. At least this one's not leading to random, innocent people getting death threats.
C'mon guys - it's all about "balance".
Yes, I've seen the videos. Im left wondering who those people chasing the car down the street with baseball bats and helmets were though
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-40913928/car-rams-into-crowd-of-people-at-charlottesville-rally ]Nobody chasing it in this video[/url]
ninfan - Member
So, stories coming out now that his car had been surrounded by antifa protesters attacking him and he was trying to get away. Unverified but seems like a realistic scenario. I assume that if confirmed the usuals will stop calling it murder or terrorism and instead condemn the protesters who attacked him?
Utter Rubbish
It's a PR nightmare for the Nazi's, they plan one peaceful protest with automatic rifles, body armour, helmets and riot shields and one idiot turns up and gives them a bad name. He's ruined it for the rest of them.
ninfan - Member
Yes, I've seen the videos. Im left wondering who those people chasing the car down the street with baseball bats and helmets were though
I'm left wondering if you've ever made a serious post on here! 😆
OK I appreciate it's legal to carry weapons in the US, but how on Earth can it possibly be acceptable that a bunch of extremist arseholes can be allowed allowed to march openly in combat gear with assault rifles? That demonstration should have been dispersed before any lives were put at risk.
ninfan - MemberIm left wondering who those people chasing the car down the street with baseball bats and helmets were though
Imaginary?
I'm reminded of firefly:
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Yes, its like having a shit throwing competition with a monkey...
Your wet dream.ninfan - MemberIm left wondering who those people chasing the car down the street with baseball bats and helmets were though
Yes, I've seen the videos. Im left wondering who those people chasing the car down the street with baseball bats and helmets were though
I guess you were watching the edited version on Fox News
Yes, I've seen the videos. Im left wondering who those people chasing the car down the street with baseball bats and helmets were though
I see snowflakes. snowflakes everywhere...
Just to check this is going how I think it is, ninfan is defending Nazi's killing people. Does that about sum it up? Trolling is one thing but FFS
not quite he is blaming the victims, whilst defending the Nazis, by making things up that are obviously false.
All posters, locate and secure your mothers now - when he starts getting this unhinged, anything could happen...
not quite he is blaming the victims, whilst defending the Nazis, by making things up that are obviously false.
Ah well that's OK then.
not quite he is blaming the victims,
Always the easiest course to take...
...for some.
imaginary
Yes, there are literally [b]no[/b] people with baseball bats or helmets chasing the car in this video:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uASs1k1-HyA
Edit, linked rather than embedded as it's graphic
Imagine if during some extreme Salafist Islamic march through Manchester a Muslim guy drove his car at a group of anti protesters. People would be wetting themselves shouting down all Muslims that were in attendance...
How anyone could try and defend the action of this guy in the states, or indeed others that were in attendance I have no idea.
How anyone could try and defend the action of this guy in the states, or indeed others that were in attendance I have no idea.
Who has done that? In fact I saw Donald Trump very squarely condemn violence and intolerance on both sides
we only see what happens after the vehicle rams people so yes there are literally no people chasing it there are people attacking it after it rammed the people- we have no evidence of them chasing it BEFORE the incident occurred but oddly they did respond to it. Certainly evidence some of them were "tooled up".
Have you a video of them chasing it ?
You can easily source the shots from behind which clearly show no one chasing it probably not on angryrightwingtroll.com
here for example.
Ah, you mean the people who intervened and attacked the terrorist's car after he murdered one person and injured 19 others?
Ninfan, a young woman was killed - murdered - by that driver.
I don't know what kind of satisfaction you derive from what you are posting, but try imagining it was one of your daughters, and think about how you and your family might feel about other people trivialising and exploiting the circumstances of her death on a public internet forum.
EXploiting the circumstances? You mean like people calling it a premeditated terrorist attack, and criticising Trump for failing to condemn one side more than the other?
I think that, if the 20th Century taught us anything, it's that Nazis should always be resisted and protested against, violently if necessary. A Nazi on the march has nothing to do with democracy, so cannot be reasoned with using the tools of democracy, they must be conversed with in the only language they understand, hate.
If the only thing you know about a group of people is that they have assembled together out of a mutual dislike of Nazis assembling in public,surely you must feel nothing but admiration for their motivations?
Unless you like the idea of Nazis assembling in public?
Hands up who likes Nazis...
You really don't get this free speech concept do you?
No, I really do, but Nazis lost their right to it when their old boss tried to murder half of Europe.
You mean like people calling it a premeditated terrorist attack
I do not know to what extent it was or was not premeditated, although I suspect that the perpetrator went to Charlottesville seeking a confrontation of some kind. As for 'terrorist attack', there seems to me to be little difference between this and other deliberate attacks using vehicles, e.g. like the one in Nice.
EXploiting the circumstances? You mean like...criticising Trump for failing to condemn one side more than the other?
Take a look at who has been criticising Trump: Orrin Hatch, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio etc. These are not hand wringing lefties - they are right wing Republicans and they and others are speaking out because they recognise that the situation is extremely serious and the need to make it clear that all American leaders and politicians condemn the actions of the white supremacists transcends party political interest.
TBH I'm a sandle wearing, yoghurt knitting fully paid up liberal lefty but I dont like Islam and would get pretty upset it a significant number of muslims moved into my town.
I realise that may upset some people, it isnt a troll just a matter of fact. This is Britain we had a heck of a bother getting rid of the Catholics theres no reason to accept another fairy tale from Arabia.
I would prefer to welcome everone to a fully secular country.