read the posts, the definite/absolute comments are largely if not exclusively, in the opposite direction
It's both ways from what I remember reading (confirmation bias aside). And it's flawed in both cases, of course.
No, it's clear where you stand and we can take it or leave it. fair enough.
People regularly call people with faith stupid (that's the polite version) and fair enough, but you have banned others for calli people stupid in a different context. So there we are.
Anyway, this will go in the wrong direction now, so I will exit stage left ( 😉 Julian that's for you) and leave you to it.
Dunno are they the same ones who ask for compassion and respect of others beliefs on the religion threads? If you come out with something that others consider to be nonsense you're probably going to get some criticism/pisstaking of a level appropriate to the environment. I don't see why religion should expect any less/more.Good point DONK - they/ he gets the piss ripped out of him, and look who the main perpetrators are
[quote=Junkyard ]I have waited thirty years to not look like a dirty hippy
Pics or I don't believe it 😉
[quote=v8ninety ]It's a strange old situation where people who object to their children being taught unprovable myths and legends* as fact get labelled as extremist
Tempted to post one of my usual pictures here - does that actually happen?
FWIW I went to a fairly full on RC secondary school, and whilst I wish I'd gone to a different school I certainly don't recall the religious stuff having the same status as maths etc. in terms of being taught as "fact". Though I suppose at the time I did still believe.
People regularly call people with faith stupid (that's the polite version) and fair enough, but you have banned others for calli people stupid in a different context. So there we are.
Abusing others is against the forum rules and will be moderated; if it isn't moderated, it's not that we're not making special exceptions but rather it's either a mild infraction or we've simply not seen it. (Well, by "we" I mean "I" at any rate, I can't speak for the others who may have a different opinion / approach.)
Attacking an idea or opinion on the other hand, I see no reason why that should be censored. If we blocked criticism of religion, we'd also have to ban criticism of Manchester United, David Cameron and Singlespeeders.
TL;DR - religion is not being victimised just because it's not getting the special treatment it might be used to expecting elsewhere.
(And if I actually banned someone every time they called someone else stupid like you claim, the forum would be empty.)
(From the wings) [i] not calling for censorship tbc but we can view the evidence differently.[/i]
It's not that hard is it?
Neither is them NOT having it taught to them in school. Why can I not pick this option instead?
It also undermines the teacher as you have to explain to your child why they believe in something that has not evidential base to it. If they are wrong on that what else are they wrong [ or lying] about?
Its really not, as you show in many of your posts on any thread, its just the one issue where you get upset about it.Footballers pay for example- you are happy to rip the piss there. No amount of a mod explaining the reason to you, each religious thread, seems to help you get this. Its really not special just because it is special to youits one of the few things that you are perfectly able to rip the piss out of in a regular basis.
Have you seen a vegan thread? DO you think they are any different?Nothing but unbridled respect for alternative choices. All threads are like this and quite often you are contributing - as indeed am I.
I did theology at school the depths of contradiction that bright folk [often very bright folk] would go to was almost endless
Your offspring has learnt a valuable lesson about what its like to try and use facts when dealing with the devout and what happens when folk take that book as [gospel] truth.
Have you seen a vegan thread? DO you think they are any different?
I ventured into the rugby thread once. I still wake up screaming sometimes.
Your offspring has learnt a valuable lesson about what its like to try and use facts when dealing with the devout and what happens when folk take that book as [gospel] truth.
Creationism has nothing to do with the Gospel.
I think THM's point is that of the areas protected by law: race, sex, sexuality, religion etc, mods seem more comfortable allowing comments about religion that people find offensive to stand.
[quote=Junkyard ]It also undermines the teacher as you have to explain to your child why they believe in something that has not evidential base to it. If they are wrong on that what else are they wrong [ or lying] about?
I find this an interesting argument - because again just based on my experience I was fully aware there was a difference between the fact stuff we were taught and things we were taught which were part of faith (faith was a word used a lot, which gave a big clue to those capable of critical thinking, even if at the time I did believe it). I don't know if this is because my experience was at secondary level - I went to a non religious primary school (presumably my mum got her say at that point) and I think most of this discussion is about primary schools.
[i](Well mefty but sshhhh, nuance is a tough concept)[/i]
[quote=mefty ]
Creationism has nothing to do with the Gospel.
It was a bad pun the point stands.
Yes that is what he thinks and the mods have explained why its wrong.I think THM's point is that of the areas protected by law: race, sex, sexuality, religion etc, mods seem more comfortable allowing comments about religion that people find offensive to stand.
Free speech is trumping his right to not be offended and they apply this rule universally across the forum.
@ araced definitely worse at primary as they are more malleable,, less questioning and more gullible/stupid.
They have given an explanation that you happen to agree with, I along with seemingly a few think it is a load of bollocks.
....of the areas protected by law: race, sex, sexuality, religion etc, mods seem more comfortable allowing comments about religion that people find offensive to stand.
Yup, plenty of ever-so politically correct people appear to be more than happy to be offensive about other people's life-style choices based on religion.
And of course they are blind to their own prejudices.
😀
Fine form mefty - and I was trying to ignore this thread now too. 😉
Yup, plenty of ever-so politically correct people appear to be more than happy to be offensive about other people's life-style choices based on religion.
They can do what they want I just ask that they leave me alone
Its fine to judge folk for religion - its a choice - race, gender, sex and seuality are not. It snot fine to not let them have jobs - only the faith schools have that right both in employing staff and selecting pupils on faith.
I know objecting to this is the height of intolerance but I am assured they forgive me.
Its also a bit rich to be lectured on the other issues given their stance on gender equality and treatment of homosexuals. Oh the irony.bt yes disliking that is the real "bigotry" here.
Well the mods agree with you Junkyard, what's your problem......that I don't?
Well the mods agree with Junkyard, what's your problem......that I don't?
Well for a start, you can't count.
Well for a start, you can't count.
well he's not the only one - look above ^ - he is being consistent 😉
Well for a start, you can't count.
So it's just one mod who deletes my posts when I challenge anti-Muslim bigotry on here ?
Fair enough, I stand corrected.
he is being consistent
At least someone is
I think THM's point is that of the areas protected by law: race, sex, sexuality, religion etc, mods seem more comfortable allowing comments about religion that people find offensive to stand.
That cuts both ways: the church and many faith schools are exempted from complying with the requirements.
So it's just one mod who deletes my posts when I challenge anti-Muslim bigotry on here ?
I was talking about this thread. My point was, I'm not speaking on behalf of "the mods" here, just trying to explain my position. The others may well disagree with me, but I'm just the only gobshite daft enough to throw myself on the grenade today.
Just in case anyone thinks this is an "official stance" or statement or anything. Feel free to disagree, that's one of the beautiful things you can do with opinions.
So it's just one mod who deletes my posts when I challenge anti-Muslim bigotry on here ?
Yes that's right Ernie, we're all racists as well. You're just trolling for a reaction here aren't you?
I don't know who deletes what, but I can tell you with cast iron certainty that no-one will be deleting posts [i]because [/i]they are challenging bigotry irrespective of the targets of that bigotry. If you've had posts deleted then I'll bet dollars to donuts that there's more to it than you're letting on in that throwaway little snark.
they have to be or they would be in breach of the law for they do discriminate on grounds of religion in recruitment
I would be delighted to see how many gay teachers there re in faith schools as well.
This gets brought up when the reality is the only institutions/people legally allowed to be bigots are the religious and we are meant to tolerate this or else we are the bigots
its an argument i dont find convincing. Its rather amusing but not convincing.
I'm just the only gobshite daft enough to throw myself on the grenade today.
It made me laugh
Its no wonder the mods are anonymous.
You're just trolling for a reaction here aren't you?
You're wasting your time Cougar.......I can't be bothered.
Quelle surprise.
they have to be or they would be in breach of the law for they do discriminate on grounds of religion in recruitment
They also (legally) discriminate on sex: how do you think the CoE got away with barring women from being bishops?
Then there are the various bars on practising homosexuals.
Then there are the faith-based admissions criteria for state schools.
I would be delighted to see how many gay teachers there re in faith schools as well.
You really are out of touch, there is hardly a dearth of gay people in the Church - I doubt the Anglo Catholic tradition would have survived without gay ministers.
Why do you keep bringing up things I never said rather than directly addressing what I said?
How many gay teachers are their in faith schools? I did not even say , nor mean, catholic.
Its clear only those of faith can and discriminate legally. I am not sure what point you think you just made with that post.
The suggestion that you made was that the faith schools would have few gay teachers- based on my experience of the Church, this is unlikely and for certain wings of the Church the opposite is more likely to be the reality. It is not that complicated.
Its not complicated [ though you were the one who missed my point so not sure why you said that tbh] its just not likely to be true despite your anecdotes which did not relate to schools.
I googled gay catholic teachers and it is just a long international list of folk sacked for being gay. I know i was so surprised to discover that as well...who could have guessed as the bible is so tolerant - assuming by tolerant we mean calling it an abomination and saying stone them to death.
Senior teachers at Catholic schools have been warned they face demotion or the sack for being openly gay, remarrying after divorce or cohabiting with a partner.
New Church guidelines state that key staff and governors in a ‘non-chaste’ relationship outside marriage could face an investigation and be removed from their posts.
That is from DM
Non DM link
http://www.hrzone.com/lead/culture/news-catholic-church-threatens-to-sack-teachers-in-gay-marriages
Given that my boy had to have a letter of recomendation from the parish priest and show a record of attendance at church for the local (over subscribed) catholic school. How did you get your child in?
btw I am atheist and find the school hypocritical about 'christian' values. The missus wanted the catholic upbringing.
Has this thread moved away from admissions? 😀
[quote=mefty ]The suggestion that you made was that the faith schools would have few gay teachers- based on my experience of the Church, this is unlikely and for certain wings of the Church the opposite is more likely to be the reality. It is not that complicated.
Your experience of gay teachers in faith schools, or some other part of the church (where criteria may be different)?
FWIW - 80% of the Theology department at my sons' school were gay. Made no difference to the teaching unsurprisingly.
Other areas which are arguably more sensitive i.e priests - there is a public perception that people of faith are more homophobic than the population at large, my experience is that this is untrue. In fact, in his foreward to a pamphlet "Working with Faith Communities", the CEO of Stonewall said the following:
The vast majority of people of faith do not want to discriminate against lesbian and gay
people and many lesbian and gay people are themselves religious. Living Together, YouGov
polling conducted for Stonewall of over 2,000 people in the UK, found that although more
than half the respondents felt that religious attitudes were a cause of public prejudice
against gay people, people of faith were no more likely to be prejudiced than anyone else.
That mirrors my experience of Faith communities (and the views of the general public i.e. on here)
aa - Member
Has this thread moved away from admissions?
it has but it has for the most part answered by original question.
looks like we are not alone (i promise this is not me)....
[url= http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/14436132._They_encourage_you_to_go_on_open_days__but_what_is_the_point_____Anger_after_500_children_miss_out_on_first_choice_primary_school/ ]Bolton news - athiest at a catholic school [/url]
funny as on the other side of town this is happening....
[url= http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/14438906.More_than_500_sign_petition_calling_for_more_Catholic_primary_places_in_Horwich/#comments-anchor ]Petition[/url]
