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Suicide suspected.
How sad. There's too much of this going on.
Caused by the media - totals waste and massive shame.
Sad news. I do wonder how much was driven by the media and social media.
Shouldn't happen to anyone.
RIP
It was 100% media driven The Sun posted this yesterday
Awful news, poor girl.
If that is true it's a bit of a shock. I know she's had some problems recently but she always came across as quite a happy person, just goes to show you never truly know what's going on inside somebody's head 🙁
Always remembered her from doing Bo selecta rather than any of the more recent stuff, just realised how long ago that was 😯
Deleted what I typed. Another life lost for no reason. What her family and friends are going through, and will still go through if the press don't give them space
.... If that was inconsiderate then I apologise....
Still a hell of a shame regardless of the reasons.
This is the person awaiting trial for assault by beating, yes?
@sharkbait I hope your theory is right so you can be a total **** in real life, as well as on the internet when you tell all your friends about your nieces best friend
I'm afraid I have to own up to not knowing who or what Caroline Flack is.
But my missus seems to have been a bit moved/slightly shaken by the news of her death...
Without wishing to sound self absorbed, having suffered from depression, adding in scrutiny and bullying by the press would make an awful situation a million times worse.
Frankly it’s about time the press was held accountable for this sort of shit. Nasty hate rags like the Sun and Mail should be banned. Screw freedom of speech when it’s so frequently abused..
Absolutely Flange and people who have know someone, who knows someone who once seen them.
This is the person awaiting trial for assault by beating, yes?
This is a human being who did something wrong and was going to pay for it, but is now dead at 40, yes?
Very sad indeed.
Her social media recently seemed to suggest a troubled soul, she seemed deeply affected by the alleged events with her boyfriend and being dropped from Love Island.
We as a society need to start being better to each other, be that in person or online.
Except to the tabloid media, we can be as nasty as we like towards those scum.
Didn't she hit her ex boyfriend with a mobile phone and ended up being charged with assult with a weapon?
Goes on every weekend and you never hear about till your are on the telly then become a target for the red top's
Thus becoming trial by tabloid, who basically say what they want and then retract it with a 3 line apology on page 22 hidden away in the small ads
And prejudiceing a trial by juryin the process
Not a person whom I watch / watched but its a job she had and did well from all accounts
Its sad when anyone fit and healthy dies no matter who it is.
The sad thing is all the young people want to be famous these days but fame and fortune doesn't seem to bring many people happiness.
Be careful what you wish for.
What was the sun valentines thing? When I searched it didn't work. Maybe the sun have taken it down.
And it’s very likely people like you pushed her to it. * me, she’s still warm and * like you are putting the boot in.
Interesting that you felt the need to call me something like that. I've no real idea who she was. I needed to Google her - top link was the assault charge. No mention of that on the top 9 comments here. Thought I'd ask the question about the elephant in the room.
Anyway, I won't bother to lower myself to your base level. Perhaps you can control yourself better in future.
No idea who she was, did a google search and made a crass comment
Stay classy Rich
Rich, benefit of the doubt, yes she was.
But she had not been found guilt of any crime, yet had been relentlessly bullied by the media and social media. She had lost her job and been attacked mercilessly.
This bullying has lead to her committing suicide.
So yes, that was her and clearly she was not perfect.
But she that does not excuse what happened to her.
I needed to Google her – top link was the assault charge.
Seems unlikely. But you know, if you say so.
@Rich_S You're fooling nobody, you've either tried to be funny, or been a bit of a scumbag about somebody who appears to have taken their own life after suffering from a degree of mental illness.
That said Zanelad has gone too far, the above does not warrant that response.
Let's all be nicer to each other eh?
I’m not entirely sure why this woman is famous but I have heard of her due to the ‘daily sun’ or what ever that comic book for knuckle draggers is called. AFAIK, the ‘daily sun’ has been slating her for a while, as Tend to flick through the papers the uneducated leave lying around at work.
This article induces vomit
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/10971333/caroline-flack-dead-love-island-took-own-life/
Poor woman, victim of ‘celebrity’ culture.
I hope her death is not in vain and is the start of change.
Zanelad said nothing wrong. It's people like @Rich_s who need calling out for the sitting in his (probably skid marked) pants making otherside/ concern trolling comments about people who kill themselves
Desperately sad.
First and foremost that someone so young saw no way out of where they were.
Secondly, the packs of wolves that loiter and wait for opportune victims, both in the press and social media, which includes this place.
Just had a look and I’m confused how the public comments regarding
CF are closed,
THE SUN seems happy enough for ‘people’ to comment on brexit or ISIS.
I’ve no real idea who she was. I needed to Google her – top link was the assault charge. No mention of that on the top 9 comments here. Thought I’d ask the question about the elephant in the room.
Oooooh you fibber.
Fancied a quick troll and went for it. Got called out, didn’t like it. Suck it up buttercup.
As for Caroline Flack - seemingly someone who had a lot to like about life - try to imagine how utterly low and awful she must have felt to do this. That is NOT something that should cause any other emotion than sadness.
The sun launch "you're not alone" campaign but hound people who are struggling.
http://www.dontbuythesun.co.uk/site/
If we all stopped buying this kind of journalism then they would change the way they do business.
There are plenty of good publications out there without having to buy the sun.
If we all stopped buying this kind of journalism then they would change the way they do business.
Yep, but a prurient interest in the lives of even moderately famous people now seems ingrained in our insular culture.
The hypocritical hand-wringing now by the gutter press will be utterly nauseating.
Spitting image had it right when the tabloid journalists were all played by pigs in trench coats and trilbys.
Frankly it’s about time the press was held accountable for this sort of shit.
This is about the sum of it. Poor poor woman.
"She wrote on her Instagram account in October last year: "The last few weeks I’ve been in a really weird place... I find it hard to talk about it .. I guess it’s anxiety and pressure of life ... and when I actually reached out to someone they said I was draining." The Telegraph
...and here you all are, playing the game they want you to play...
RIP.
So sad to think that the only way out she felt was through suicide.
Bloody shame, bloody waste. Good looking wee lassie ruined by the media. Don’t post much but by Christ this needs to stop.
Social media/press have a lot to answer for 🙁
Sad to hear of another wasted life.
I really do worry how society is changing. A lot above rightly blame the press but I feel tv companies are not helping either with programmes like love island (big brother etc) where it’s all about playing with peoples emotions in a bid to drive viewing figures and column inches (I have never watched it but believe 2 contestants previously took their lives). Put all this with online social media like instagramm/ face book where people post how great things are/look at me type stuff along with the trolls and professionally outraged at the smallest thing, is it any wonder it drives people over the edge.
I hope that she is at peace now.
I can't start to imagine what her family and friends are going through right now.
RIP.
To take your own life requires a major level of mental distress, I'm sure the media had a major part to play in getting her to that state (in conjunction with her own actions).
I think there's a much bigger issue here though around reality TV, of which Love Island is one of the more corrosive examples. There was a lot of debate around contestants mental health and support last summer. There's also a lot of concern around the portrayal of relationships that younger viewers are getting some very unhealthy ideas about.
None of that makes her death in anyway deserved or OK but it is ironic that someone presenting Love Island has become a victim to the more negative aspects the contestants have experienced. The reality TV shows and gutter press feed off each other.
Meh, blame social media and the press, but that lets every sad ****er who consumes the showbiz bullshit off the hook. It lets off all the people who jump on the bandwagons to demonise others as a way of deflecting from their own misery.
I blame the consumers of it all. They create the demand and feed the production, feed the need to be first, to be find the dirt. Twitter is full of people right now blaming everyone else but themselves.
Interesting reading the some of grief whores tweet histories. Some are absolutely guilty of it themselves.
Always sad to hear about someone taking the ultimate decision, especially as I've been down that road (although not to the destination).
What makes it even more sad is that I met her through work a few years ago and she was lovely to talk to, totally opposite to what I thought she would be. Thoughts are with her family and as for the press? They can shove one, all they do is prey on the weak and gullible.
Such a shame, my daughters thought she was stunning and had everything going for her. Not quite a role model for them but a definition of success. From what i read of her court case the CPS went against the boyfriends wishes and proceeded with the case.
Is this common if the victim doesnt want to prosecute the CPS proceed anyway? Maybe he knew she was struggling? Clearly had a huge affect on her. Add in the tacky tabloid 'sell a story at any cost' mentality and thats a huge burden to bear.
I think a number of organistations / people should be held accountable, including Police, CPS, Tabloids, ITV, social media trolls!
Poor girl, RIP
Is this common if the victim doesnt want to prosecute the CPS proceed anyway?
In domestic violence cases, yes.
Feel for her friends and family.
@macdubh Yes, positive prosecution is standard in DV cases. Usually though as the victims are women nobody gives a good goddam shit as to why the perpetrator is violent.
Nobody seeks to dress it up MH and they literally want to burn them at the stake. The double standards are horrific.
The changes in the law were brought about to help protect those that may be under the sway of a violent partner. Media and those who had a hand in this are all making noise to deflect from their culpability.
This is the person awaiting trial for assault by beating, yes?
Had a fight with her BF, BF said he was fine the day after. Worth dieing for?
Not familiar with any of her work but very sad news. We all make mistakes I'm sure, as said the media have played a big part in this.
I think a number of organistations / people should be held accountable, including Police
Why?
Very sad, don’t understand why sharkbait and Rich-s are taking a telling off here though.
Very sad, don’t understand why sharkbait and Rich-s are taking a telling off here though.
Agree, I thought they got a bit of kicking for not being too outrageous.
And yes very tragic 40 is no age.
Caher
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Very sad, don’t understand why sharkbait and Rich-s are taking a telling off here though.Agree, I thought they got a bit of kicking for not being too outrageous.
And yes very tragic 40 is no age
Its STW. People are allowed to be righteous and holy here.
I've never seen love island or even heard her speak, my first question when a colleague was talking about it earlier: "is she the one who beat her boyfriend?"
Must make me a bad person.
Anyway, it's been a few hours, nobody here actually knows why she killed herself.
Meanwhile let's keep berating Rich-s and calling him a scumbag because that's ok.
Very sad, don’t understand why sharkbait and Rich-s are taking a telling off here though.
The UK has an odd taboo which is you can't say anything bad about recently dead people. Combine this with the trend towards complete emotional incontinence and here we are.
This is a tragedy for her friends and family. Another casualty of our celebrity culture. I'd agree with the above comments that folk who click on the sidebar of shame, read the scrappy gossip etc are complicit in fuelling this.
I wonder if people would be quite so sympathetic if caroline had received a beating from her boyfriend, she insisted she was fine the next day, but then he killed himself after being crucified in the gutter press?
I’d never heard of her before this tbh, but I don’t think she deserves to die because she flung a mobile phone at her boyfriend ffs.
Maybe the gutter press should be regulated to only print stuff they have actually proven?
Frankly it’s about time the press was held accountable for this sort of shit. Nasty hate rags like the Sun and Mail should be banned. Screw freedom of speech when it’s so frequently abused..
Agree. Free speech is about things like being able to criticise the government, not harass people, be openly racist etc.
The UK has an odd taboo which is you can’t say anything bad about recently dead people.
I think it's more the disconnect between slebs and real people. If it was someone you knew you would be a bit more likely to remember they are actually people who have relatives who care about them, and you may have a smidge of empathy.
FWIW I had no idea who she was either. Googled her name as a result of this thread and the second or third search result mentioned her forthcoming court case for assault.
A bit frustrated by the hypocrisy of people on social media who I know hoover up all the gossip and tittle tattle, now blaming social media but not themselves
Very sad, RIP Caroline.
I only knew who she was because of strictly come dancing. I had no idea about the assault charges against her but then I don't read shit like the sun.
I think greenskin has it spot on!
@Rich_S You’re fooling nobody, you’ve either tried to be funny, or been a bit of a scumbag about somebody who appears to have taken their own life after suffering from a degree of mental illness.
Although to be fair on Rich_s, if this had been about Charlie Sheen killing himself whilst up on charges of domestic violence instead of a hot blonde lady, this thread wouldn’t exist.
Just to clarify, she had smashed a lamp on the head of her sleeping boyfriend and the boyfriend called the police and when they arrived he was drenched in blood.
Despite him deciding not to press charges, the police /CPS decided that if it had been the other way round it would not be able to be dropped. Therefore they took the even handed approach.
The fact that she was then barred from contacting her boyfriend seemed a bit extreme, so she was left to soak up all the crap being flung at her....alone!
RIP
The fact that she was then barred from contacting her boyfriend seemed a bit extreme, so she was left to soak up all the crap being flung at her….alone!
surely that's part of the even handed approach of which you speak. Had it been the other way around letting the boyfriend/abuser access would be criticized.
Secret Barrister has a very apt thread on how we treat the accused in this country. There have been plenty of non-slebs who have killed themselves whilst dealing with the pressure of criminal accusations.
There is very little thought to the welfare of those accused who until the acceptance of or delivery of a verdict have been convicted of anything. It isn't an either or, you can consider both the victim and the accused.
All points to society at large and how polarised we really are. Apply often hypocritical moral codes to others.
she had smashed a lamp on the head of her sleeping boyfriend and the boyfriend called the police and when they arrived he was drenched in blood.
Tbf her boyfriend disputes the cps version of events, and as the key witness their case wasn't exactly watertight was it.
Either way, they pushed ahead, and that's one of the reasons (amongst others) she is now dead.
@tpbiker as is often the case in DV offences. Damned if they do and damned if they don't. Plenty of examples of victims being killed after going back to their partners.
It's for that reason many charities and groups that support victims of DV campaigned for positive prosecution.
Despite him deciding not to press charges
This is not an option in our criminal justice system, thanks to the Secret Barrister for this knowledge. The CPS gets to decide if the case is 'in the public interest' and sometimes does not proceed if they can not reach the threshold set in legislation. (This lack of complainant choice is what lead to the sado-masochists being prosecuted for A or GBH some time back.
This definitely seems like a good time to push the men's rights agenda, well done guys.
:rolleyes:
I wouldn't presume to know what made her take that terrible decision, but I suspect it's not as simple as social media or the tabloid press driving her to it.
FWIW I used to write stories about her when I was a showbiz hack, she was a bit of a hero to readers for dating Harry Styles while a fair bit older than him - and she seemed to be charming and funny as well as a handsome lass, with more girl-next-door than supermodel looks. Women loved her basically.
A bit frustrated by the hypocrisy of people on social media who I know hoover up all the gossip and tittle tattle, now blaming social media but not themselves
This is a good point though. What she allegedly did was wrong and reporting on it was fine. If there's a failure here perhaps it was in her personal support network.
Try to restrain yourself from being a cock eh?
It's actually a fair point. As for her network, I think there's a spot where she states friends found her draining.
I think she was more isolated than many would like us to believe. A waste of life however you feel.
This of course extremely sad and a terrible waste of a life but was she not part of the culture that exploits the vulnerable for entertainment and profit. 2 previous contestants on Love Island had killed themselves but she was happy to keep on presenting it. Her career was built on the coverage she got in the tabloid press and on social media, all those who live on that should know that at some point it will turn on them. There is always a need for another sacrifice and no one is immune
As for the cps wanting to press ahead with the prosecution 173 people were killed in domestic violence incidents in 2018. I wonder if there was a single case where the fatal attack was the first one. I doubt it. And I wonder how many of those victims at some point defended their attacker. I don't think there is any problem with prosecuting wherever there is evidence but those accused should be presumed innocent until proven guilty and the press is no place for pre-trial speculation. I also think trials should be as timely as possible. It seems people have to wait a long time under suspicion before they have the chance to clear their name. It must be almost intolerable to know you are innocent but to have to live under suspicion. Whether she was or not is now irrelevant but do we want to go back to the days of the police turning up at an address to be told by someone covered in blood that everything is fine and no no one has hurt them? I don't think we do.
I guess we could do domestic violence convictions based on a sliding scale of skin colour and gender.
Are you a black male? Go straight to jail, do not pass go.
A blonde white lady? Special snowflake that might kill herself, must be protected, so drop the case.
I assume with half the public being brexity racist lunatics we could make a public interest case for that kind of policy.
A blonde white lady? Special snowflake that might kill herself, must be protected, so drop the case.
Where did anyone say or imply that as I missed it?
avdave2 has hit the nail on the head. Conservative government policy is to restrict court sitting dates causing a huge backlog, failing to maintain court buildings such that cases have to be de-listed, failing to ensure translation services are available in a timely manner and finally failing to ensure defendants are delivered in court from detention on the correct date. Justice delayed is justice denied.
I also think trials should be as timely as possible. It seems people have to wait a long time under suspicion before they have the chance to clear their name. It must be almost intolerable to know you are innocent but to have to live under suspicion.
In a civilised and well run society that is how the criminal justice system should be run but unfortunately a certain element of society in this country seems to have elected a complete bunch of ****s to rule over us for the previous 10yrs, read the secret barrister blog/twitter posts and you'll soon realise that our justice system is not fit for purpose due to the cuts imposed
I needed to Google her – top link was the assault charge.
Seems unlikely. But you know, if you say so.
Well, I had absolutely no idea who she was, I’ve never ever watched anything she’s ever appeared in, and I’d never even heard about the assault and court case, because I don’t read newspapers, or have the slightest interest in the more prurient aspects of modern reporting. I also don’t do any social meeja.
There you are, feel free to have a go at me for telling fibs if you want.
Well, I had absolutely no idea who she was, I’ve never ever watched anything she’s ever appeared in, and I’d never even heard about the assault and court case, because I don’t read newspapers, or have the slightest interest in the more prurient aspects of modern reporting. I also don’t do any social meeja.
There you are, feel free to have a go at me for telling fibs if you want
Yep - same for me.
There you are, feel free to have a go at me for telling fibs if you want.\
Neil was referring to the result.
A tribute to a recently dead woman results in arguments and political agenda's in less than 40 posts. How very sad.
You all could at least have the respect to start another thread to argue on and leave this one alone.
I'd moot that this is now closed in memorandum and you can start your alternate conversations elsewhere.
You have to have a wry smile at zanelad having a go with 'people like you pushed her to it' (with extra invective,) while having a similar internet pile-on just like he is complaining about.
It's the circular interweb, innit?
I hope that she is at peace now.
Actually it is the opposite.
Have only seen her on telly for few minutes at a most as I am not really into those reality stuff whatever. She must be under a lot of pressure, not sure what, to push her to take her own life.
Now if you want to help then pray for her if you are religious. If you are non-religious type this is what you do, whenever you have done something good think of her. i.e. it is similar to dedication of merit to the departed (can do this for all departed).
scotroutes
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FWIW I had no idea who she was either.
CountZero
Well, I had absolutely no idea who she was
This is no great surprise tbh. You’re both quite old.
Poor lass, a sad waste.
This is no great surprise tbh. You’re both quite old.
Age might have something to do with it but also (as I now know from googling) her career was made for and with the vacuous. If you have a brain or value your entertainment more challenging than the equivalent of baby food you would not have seen much of Ms Flack.
Her world seems to be a world where you must court publicity to get on and seemingly participants crave attention. Can you reasonably expect the press and the great unwashed on social media to give you the props you need/want and non of the beef? Is it self selecting - the sort of needy skin deep people that crave to live in this world are the most vulnerable to it's dark side.
Sad thing is that surveys of young people have this dross right up there in there career/life aspirations. It appears from the poor woman's story it probably pays to be careful what your wish for.