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Not familiar with any of her work but very sad news. We all make mistakes I'm sure, as said the media have played a big part in this.
I think a number of organistations / people should be held accountable, including Police
Why?
Very sad, don’t understand why sharkbait and Rich-s are taking a telling off here though.
Very sad, don’t understand why sharkbait and Rich-s are taking a telling off here though.
Agree, I thought they got a bit of kicking for not being too outrageous.
And yes very tragic 40 is no age.
Caher
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Very sad, don’t understand why sharkbait and Rich-s are taking a telling off here though.Agree, I thought they got a bit of kicking for not being too outrageous.
And yes very tragic 40 is no age
Its STW. People are allowed to be righteous and holy here.
I've never seen love island or even heard her speak, my first question when a colleague was talking about it earlier: "is she the one who beat her boyfriend?"
Must make me a bad person.
Anyway, it's been a few hours, nobody here actually knows why she killed herself.
Meanwhile let's keep berating Rich-s and calling him a scumbag because that's ok.
Very sad, don’t understand why sharkbait and Rich-s are taking a telling off here though.
The UK has an odd taboo which is you can't say anything bad about recently dead people. Combine this with the trend towards complete emotional incontinence and here we are.
This is a tragedy for her friends and family. Another casualty of our celebrity culture. I'd agree with the above comments that folk who click on the sidebar of shame, read the scrappy gossip etc are complicit in fuelling this.
I wonder if people would be quite so sympathetic if caroline had received a beating from her boyfriend, she insisted she was fine the next day, but then he killed himself after being crucified in the gutter press?
I’d never heard of her before this tbh, but I don’t think she deserves to die because she flung a mobile phone at her boyfriend ffs.
Maybe the gutter press should be regulated to only print stuff they have actually proven?
Frankly it’s about time the press was held accountable for this sort of shit. Nasty hate rags like the Sun and Mail should be banned. Screw freedom of speech when it’s so frequently abused..
Agree. Free speech is about things like being able to criticise the government, not harass people, be openly racist etc.
The UK has an odd taboo which is you can’t say anything bad about recently dead people.
I think it's more the disconnect between slebs and real people. If it was someone you knew you would be a bit more likely to remember they are actually people who have relatives who care about them, and you may have a smidge of empathy.
FWIW I had no idea who she was either. Googled her name as a result of this thread and the second or third search result mentioned her forthcoming court case for assault.
A bit frustrated by the hypocrisy of people on social media who I know hoover up all the gossip and tittle tattle, now blaming social media but not themselves
Very sad, RIP Caroline.
I only knew who she was because of strictly come dancing. I had no idea about the assault charges against her but then I don't read shit like the sun.
I think greenskin has it spot on!
@Rich_S You’re fooling nobody, you’ve either tried to be funny, or been a bit of a scumbag about somebody who appears to have taken their own life after suffering from a degree of mental illness.
Although to be fair on Rich_s, if this had been about Charlie Sheen killing himself whilst up on charges of domestic violence instead of a hot blonde lady, this thread wouldn’t exist.
Just to clarify, she had smashed a lamp on the head of her sleeping boyfriend and the boyfriend called the police and when they arrived he was drenched in blood.
Despite him deciding not to press charges, the police /CPS decided that if it had been the other way round it would not be able to be dropped. Therefore they took the even handed approach.
The fact that she was then barred from contacting her boyfriend seemed a bit extreme, so she was left to soak up all the crap being flung at her....alone!
RIP
The fact that she was then barred from contacting her boyfriend seemed a bit extreme, so she was left to soak up all the crap being flung at her….alone!
surely that's part of the even handed approach of which you speak. Had it been the other way around letting the boyfriend/abuser access would be criticized.
Secret Barrister has a very apt thread on how we treat the accused in this country. There have been plenty of non-slebs who have killed themselves whilst dealing with the pressure of criminal accusations.
There is very little thought to the welfare of those accused who until the acceptance of or delivery of a verdict have been convicted of anything. It isn't an either or, you can consider both the victim and the accused.
All points to society at large and how polarised we really are. Apply often hypocritical moral codes to others.
she had smashed a lamp on the head of her sleeping boyfriend and the boyfriend called the police and when they arrived he was drenched in blood.
Tbf her boyfriend disputes the cps version of events, and as the key witness their case wasn't exactly watertight was it.
Either way, they pushed ahead, and that's one of the reasons (amongst others) she is now dead.
@tpbiker as is often the case in DV offences. Damned if they do and damned if they don't. Plenty of examples of victims being killed after going back to their partners.
It's for that reason many charities and groups that support victims of DV campaigned for positive prosecution.
Despite him deciding not to press charges
This is not an option in our criminal justice system, thanks to the Secret Barrister for this knowledge. The CPS gets to decide if the case is 'in the public interest' and sometimes does not proceed if they can not reach the threshold set in legislation. (This lack of complainant choice is what lead to the sado-masochists being prosecuted for A or GBH some time back.
This definitely seems like a good time to push the men's rights agenda, well done guys.
:rolleyes:
I wouldn't presume to know what made her take that terrible decision, but I suspect it's not as simple as social media or the tabloid press driving her to it.
FWIW I used to write stories about her when I was a showbiz hack, she was a bit of a hero to readers for dating Harry Styles while a fair bit older than him - and she seemed to be charming and funny as well as a handsome lass, with more girl-next-door than supermodel looks. Women loved her basically.
A bit frustrated by the hypocrisy of people on social media who I know hoover up all the gossip and tittle tattle, now blaming social media but not themselves
This is a good point though. What she allegedly did was wrong and reporting on it was fine. If there's a failure here perhaps it was in her personal support network.
Try to restrain yourself from being a cock eh?
It's actually a fair point. As for her network, I think there's a spot where she states friends found her draining.
I think she was more isolated than many would like us to believe. A waste of life however you feel.
This of course extremely sad and a terrible waste of a life but was she not part of the culture that exploits the vulnerable for entertainment and profit. 2 previous contestants on Love Island had killed themselves but she was happy to keep on presenting it. Her career was built on the coverage she got in the tabloid press and on social media, all those who live on that should know that at some point it will turn on them. There is always a need for another sacrifice and no one is immune
As for the cps wanting to press ahead with the prosecution 173 people were killed in domestic violence incidents in 2018. I wonder if there was a single case where the fatal attack was the first one. I doubt it. And I wonder how many of those victims at some point defended their attacker. I don't think there is any problem with prosecuting wherever there is evidence but those accused should be presumed innocent until proven guilty and the press is no place for pre-trial speculation. I also think trials should be as timely as possible. It seems people have to wait a long time under suspicion before they have the chance to clear their name. It must be almost intolerable to know you are innocent but to have to live under suspicion. Whether she was or not is now irrelevant but do we want to go back to the days of the police turning up at an address to be told by someone covered in blood that everything is fine and no no one has hurt them? I don't think we do.
I guess we could do domestic violence convictions based on a sliding scale of skin colour and gender.
Are you a black male? Go straight to jail, do not pass go.
A blonde white lady? Special snowflake that might kill herself, must be protected, so drop the case.
I assume with half the public being brexity racist lunatics we could make a public interest case for that kind of policy.
A blonde white lady? Special snowflake that might kill herself, must be protected, so drop the case.
Where did anyone say or imply that as I missed it?
avdave2 has hit the nail on the head. Conservative government policy is to restrict court sitting dates causing a huge backlog, failing to maintain court buildings such that cases have to be de-listed, failing to ensure translation services are available in a timely manner and finally failing to ensure defendants are delivered in court from detention on the correct date. Justice delayed is justice denied.
I also think trials should be as timely as possible. It seems people have to wait a long time under suspicion before they have the chance to clear their name. It must be almost intolerable to know you are innocent but to have to live under suspicion.
In a civilised and well run society that is how the criminal justice system should be run but unfortunately a certain element of society in this country seems to have elected a complete bunch of ****s to rule over us for the previous 10yrs, read the secret barrister blog/twitter posts and you'll soon realise that our justice system is not fit for purpose due to the cuts imposed
I needed to Google her – top link was the assault charge.
Seems unlikely. But you know, if you say so.
Well, I had absolutely no idea who she was, I’ve never ever watched anything she’s ever appeared in, and I’d never even heard about the assault and court case, because I don’t read newspapers, or have the slightest interest in the more prurient aspects of modern reporting. I also don’t do any social meeja.
There you are, feel free to have a go at me for telling fibs if you want.
Well, I had absolutely no idea who she was, I’ve never ever watched anything she’s ever appeared in, and I’d never even heard about the assault and court case, because I don’t read newspapers, or have the slightest interest in the more prurient aspects of modern reporting. I also don’t do any social meeja.
There you are, feel free to have a go at me for telling fibs if you want
Yep - same for me.
There you are, feel free to have a go at me for telling fibs if you want.\
Neil was referring to the result.
A tribute to a recently dead woman results in arguments and political agenda's in less than 40 posts. How very sad.
You all could at least have the respect to start another thread to argue on and leave this one alone.
I'd moot that this is now closed in memorandum and you can start your alternate conversations elsewhere.
You have to have a wry smile at zanelad having a go with 'people like you pushed her to it' (with extra invective,) while having a similar internet pile-on just like he is complaining about.
It's the circular interweb, innit?
I hope that she is at peace now.
Actually it is the opposite.
Have only seen her on telly for few minutes at a most as I am not really into those reality stuff whatever. She must be under a lot of pressure, not sure what, to push her to take her own life.
Now if you want to help then pray for her if you are religious. If you are non-religious type this is what you do, whenever you have done something good think of her. i.e. it is similar to dedication of merit to the departed (can do this for all departed).
scotroutes
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FWIW I had no idea who she was either.
CountZero
Well, I had absolutely no idea who she was
This is no great surprise tbh. You’re both quite old.
Poor lass, a sad waste.
This is no great surprise tbh. You’re both quite old.
Age might have something to do with it but also (as I now know from googling) her career was made for and with the vacuous. If you have a brain or value your entertainment more challenging than the equivalent of baby food you would not have seen much of Ms Flack.
Her world seems to be a world where you must court publicity to get on and seemingly participants crave attention. Can you reasonably expect the press and the great unwashed on social media to give you the props you need/want and non of the beef? Is it self selecting - the sort of needy skin deep people that crave to live in this world are the most vulnerable to it's dark side.
Sad thing is that surveys of young people have this dross right up there in there career/life aspirations. It appears from the poor woman's story it probably pays to be careful what your wish for.
Ah, somebody else who feels the need to tell us he knew nothing about her. Ah well, I suppose if it helps you feel less vacuous, more power to you.
Ah, somebody else who feels the need to tell us he knew nothing about her. I suppose it makes you feel less vacuous.
No, I was commenting on the story.
She made shit telly for morons. She appears to have been quite good at it. It is pertinent to the story. It's the social media outpouring of dribblers and the media designed to appeal to dribblers i.e. the target market for her work that appear to have made a bad situation worse with a very sad end.
If you have a brain or value your entertainment more challenging than the equivalent of baby food you would not have seen much of Ms Flack.
obvs apart from her being on one of the most watched shows on bbc1 on Saturday and Sunday prime time.
Very sad, RIP.
obvs apart from her being on one of the most watched shows on bbc1 on Saturday and Sunday prime time.
50% of the population are statistically intellectually subnormal 😉
I dont think she was on it for her intellectual input ( STM - failed every exam he has ever taken so I'm no brainiac)
Use Twitter , Facebook , Instagram to enhance your carreer , keep you in the public eye , get more hits , get more likes , get more retwits etc
Buy in talent to tweet for you / advise on levels of tweeting , where and when etc
Pose for the Paparrazi outside the latest go to joint , with a guy who enhances your media profile
Then when it goes slightly wonky the knives come out , and the backlash is expotential , a public person is available online for direct , pretty much unmoderated, comments which ,as we like to say on here - What has been read cannot be unread
Unless you are spectaculaly thick skinned and posses the ability to let this wash over you , ignore the tabloid headlines, go outside without being ''papped' constantly then you , unfortuanlty , allow yourself to get dragged down with the allegations , he said /she said ,
hurtfull and spitefull comments the gutter press made up headlines, 'friends' commenting on your state of mind ( its always a friend, sometimes a close one even)
Unfortunate way to persue a carreer , which as has been mentioned , is one many teenagers of today aspire to, and being paid by youtube to play fornite online whilst doing a running commentary
Well, I had absolutely no idea who she was, I’ve never ever watched anything she’s ever appeared in, and I’d never even heard about the assault and court case, because I don’t read newspapers,......... I also don’t do any social meeja.
Yep. I believe all that. No issue with it at all.
There you are, feel free to have a go at me for telling fibs if you want.
What I don’t believe at all, is that the first result on Google was about the assault charge.
I have access to Google too, and the first two pages were unsurprisingly full of the news of her death, no mention of the assault charge.
I don’t read newspapers, or have the slightest interest in the more prurient aspects of modern reporting.
Strange then you waded straight in like a tabloid journalist with a faux “question” about if this was the same person who was awaiting trial for assault.
Could Google not have cleared that mystery up for you seeing as you were already apparently there, seems odd that you would leave google to come on here and ask the “question”
Like I said. Seems unlikely
I’d just ask that anyone who doesn’t have a clue who she is, please keep your posts short and snappy. Some of us who knew who she was might not be able to handle a reply longer than a tweet or instagram.
Age might have something to do with it but also (as I now know from googling) her career was made for and with the vacuous. If you have a brain or value your entertainment more challenging than the equivalent of baby food you would not have seen much of Ms Flack.
Funny then that even my 70 year old mum knew who she was...A woman who I'd wager is significantly better educated and intelligent then yourself, judging by your posting history..
I have access to Google too, and the first two pages were unsurprisingly full of the news of her death, no mention of the assault charge.
Not when this thread was first posted. I reckon the third link (or thereabouts) mentioned the forthcoming court case.
Having said that. it was easy enough to follow the link and do a quick "catch-up" on the background. As you say, no need to then ask the question again on here.
Anybody else appalled at the reaction by The Sun and The Daily Mail to all the criticism they're getting for their coverage of her recently? The Sun has even had the balls to say their nasty clickbait stories had nothing to do with it and that it is the CPS and ITV that should wholly shoulder the blame!!