[Closed] Car options - do I want a diesel estate?

diesel hybrids have been around a while, volvo, vw, pug and merc all make one, but they’re extremely expensive and so have never sold well.

They aren't that bad used, I am getting loads of ads for them. Still a possible option for us in the future.

But as others have stated – lots of short journeys will over-load to the point where a manual may be needed

*Only* short journeys

Depending on your budget it might actually be quite hard to find a decent petrol estate.

You're not wrong, which is why I was (briefly) entertaining a diesel.
Budget is 8k, 10k absolute max. Very little decent in that price range at the moment.
Hoping prices start to come down soon but doubt they will

4 years ago we bought a diesel estate with similar journey pattern, no issues so far (touches as many pieces of wood as possible).

Occasionally need to do a regen when the light comes in, 3 times a year max

My new car has a DPF. It hasn't done many long journeys in a while, and the gears are so long it rarely goes above the 2krpm which supposedly it needs to to regen the DPF. I've done one long trip (about 4hrs total over Christmas in two 1.5hr chunks and some ad-hoc) since ooh, October, the rest being 20 minute town trundles, and it hasn't shown me a light yet and it hasn't changed its behaviour.

I think a petrol is better fit. We had an Audi A4 estate 2.0 and it end up.at 37mpg when handed back. Manual so auto maybe better. 37k in 4 years so not a lot of miles. 50/50 on short trips and longer miles. Rather spirited driving from oh dented the mpg.

I had a diesel Avensis saloon for my last car. It was fine, and had a huge boot. Usage case was 11 miles each way to work three days a week, plus holidays and 500 mile round trips to see my parents.

When the kids got bigger I wanted a Passat estate to take bikes. Ideally wanted petrol given short journeys and concerns about CAZ but ended up buying new as I couldn’t find one a year old.

Might be a bit easier now?

Obviously I don’t know anything about the context of your journeys, family setup, state of local roads and you and your family’s health so this may be a naive observation but your shorter journeys sound like reasonable candidates for cycling rather than using a diesel estate car?

As long as you're not always in traffic I can't see the DPF being an issue. The missus is chopping her Golf TDI in due an 18 plate mini this weekend and that has a GPF!

We both run 16/17 plate GTDs ( mine's an estate) they both average 49mpg and manage 60+ easy if you try and unless you get an R there's not really a swift petrol estate. I had a 15 plate Octavia vRS before that and it's mechanically the same. This later EA288 diesel is pretty smooth and bother free. Don't think ive noticed it regenerate??

If anyone wants a diesel saloon my Passat never had a DPF 🙂

Old school Volvo 2.4 simple bulletproof non turbo petrol - owned from nearly new now with 200k miles. Heavy car with auto box so averages 25mpg knocking about 30 on a run. Never had any engine issues.

your shorter journeys sound like reasonable candidates for cycling rather than using a diesel estate car?

Or a cargo bike. 15 miles is about an hour.

People mentioning their cars not seeming to do regens. My old Citroen C5 2011 did not seem to regen whereas my now Octavia definately does (much more noticeable) and same journeys. Do not noticed regen on van 2014 citroen relay camper (so generally longer runs) but as an aside a workmate has had a new DPF on an Evoque with sub 10,000 miles (warranty) which from what I understand rarely goes outwith his local town.

My Jaguar XF Sportbrake is a 2 litre petrol auto (zf 8 speed). Averages 24mpg. Long journeys are a bit better but not much.

Comparatively I was getting nearer 40mpg on a 2 litre diesel Jaguar XE I think.

All the comments I see online suggest the Skoda 1.4/1.5 petrol turbos putting out 150bhp are pretty fuel efficient in the Skoda Octavia / Superb.

@tall_martin, How many miles are you getting out of a full tank on the BMW? I'm presuming it's an xDrive?

I've got a 2017 Audi S4 Avant 3.0 V6 Turbo. Doing about 15k miles a year. Short term mpg is sitting about 27-28mpg. Can get mid 30's easy on a run of I stick to the speed limit. Range. Had 40mpg once. On a full tank is normally 370-380 miles. Thinking about swapping imminently for the 335 xdrive touring. Driving is a mixture of long and short runs. Quite spirited driving style.

I can't believe people are talking about 35mpg un 2022 as if it's acceptable!

I can’t believe people are talking about 35mpg un 2022 as if it’s acceptable!

Because it's not really the main cost in motoring these days; so many folk seem happy paying £450 a month with a 7 grand final payment for something flash so another 10mpg is a drop in the ocean for their monthly motoring spend.

I think he's referring to the environmental cost rather than the financial.

(55 mpg euro 6 here, no ad-blue and never noticed a regen)

About 50mpg or more from my Toyota auris hybrid estate. Not the most exciting car in the world but seems happy to do lots of short runs when a bike won't cut it.

molgrips
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I can’t believe people are talking about 35mpg un 2022 as if it’s acceptable

Scrapping the, no DPF, Passat?

Scrapping the, no DPF, Passat?

Not sure what you're suggesting here but no, it's on sale because of the reuse part of reduce reuse recycle. And it does 60mpg.

About 50mpg or more from my Toyota auris hybrid estate. Not the most exciting car in the world but seems happy to do lots of short runs when a bike won’t cut it.

I seems that almost every taxi in my area is an Auris hybrid estate, and multiple (only?) short runs doesn't seem to be doing them any harm. Fair enough the engines are warm the entire time I guess, so not all drives are from cold.

I’ve got a 2017 Audi S4 Avant 3.0 V6 Turbo. Doing about 15k miles a year. Short term mpg is sitting about 27-28mpg. Can get mid 30’s easy on a run of I stick to the speed limit. Range. Had 40mpg once. On a full tank is normally 370-380 miles. Thinking about swapping imminently for the 335 xdrive touring. Driving is a mixture of long and short runs. Quite spirited driving style.

Sometimes I think it will be great for the planet and other vulnerable road users if they hurried up with the introduction of satellite tracking and road pricing

The only thing that makes smart motorways safer is the abject fear of the speed cameras exhibited by spirited drivers

I miss the load space & effortless 55mpg of my company diesel mondeo but I wouldn't miss the cost of the dmf self distructing, in the end opted for smaller private petrol car using a roof rack for the occasional times we need to take the tandem on board.

Thinking about swapping imminently for the 335 xdrive touring. Driving is a mixture of long and short runs. Quite spirited driving style.

I had a 435d, so same engine (auto & xDrive).

With no concern over economy mine averaged 40.2mpg over 30k miles. I do though live in the country and most journeys were longer distance (100 mile round trip commute) and at reasonable speeds. When around town/urban the average would drop to 35mpg.

Fantastic engine, handling less so.

Moved to a 320d (auto & xDrive), averages 50mpg with the same usage.

molgrips
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Not sure what you’re suggesting here but no, it’s on sale because of the reuse part of reduce reuse recycle. And it does 60mpg.

I'm suggesting that your old Passat is pumped out all kinds of lovely particulates because of its lack of DPF. A 35mpg petrol is just as worthy of you're reuse mantra, without blowing out soot

Honda Civic 1.8

Aye we've had 2 of those. Both get/got around 42mpg.

On the regen jobbie, are people getting dash alerts that it's in process or deducing it's going on through behaviour? I've a v90 2l diesel that struggled to 40mpg for the first 5k. It's now jumped to ~45mpg, similar driving. I was dissapointed as it's predecessor was the D5 v70 and averaged 42 mpg throughout its 80k life with us. Old tech, biggerer engine but (initially) betterer mpg's...

I’m suggesting that your old Passat is pumped out all kinds of lovely particulates because of its lack of DPF. A 35mpg petrol is just as worthy of you’re reuse mantra, without blowing out soot

Ok then you can be the winner, congratulations.

Sometimes I think it will be great for the planet and other vulnerable road users if they hurried up with the introduction of satellite tracking and road pricing

We would actually be "making progress" then, yep.

The way some people write on these motoring threads, it's like they've eaten a car magazine and they're shitting it out on the internet.

I’ve just switched to a 2l CR-V and I’m finding 25mpg pretty upsetting (maybe 35 on motorway). I wish I had gone hybrid.

I probably have the same engine in my Stepwgn. It's swings and roundabouts, do the average UK 8000 miles a year and it's about £500 saved in fuel to go from 30mpg petrol to 45mpg diesel (which is what I averaged in my derv Civic). Have pretty much any of the common diesel engine issues (turbo, DPF, injectors, etc) and that's the fuel saving wiped out.

I'll take the bulletproof reliability of a NA Honda petrol any day.

your shorter journeys sound like reasonable candidates for cycling rather than using a diesel estate car?
Yep you're right of course, this is cycling forum afterall. But not everyone is a fan of cycling, and my attempts to introduce this have been met with resistance unfortunately.
On my drive to work it's mostly duel carriageway until about 4 miles out of the city. What I often do is have a bike in the back and park up on the outskirts and cycle the rest of the way avoiding the stop start traffic, getting there quicker and avoiding the most polluting part of the drive. I don't fancy day in day out cycling along the duel carriageway - maybe if the limit on e-bikes was upped to say 25mph then it would be more feasible as I'd arrive at a not too dissimilar time and crucially my speed would be closer to that of the passing traffic making me less of a target.

I don’t fancy day in day out cycling along the duel carriageway

Without wishing to be insulting, is there really no other option? I've had this conversation with lots of people who use the DC to get in to Cardiff who don't realise that there are other options, they've never looked at a map of their local town.

@big n daft what I mean by spirited is that I don't mess around sitting behind the people driving at 40-50mph everywhere. I do a fair bit of driving in the country to go biking where you come across people who drive at 30-35mph.

How many times have you came up behind an lorry and there's 10 cars behind it and everyone is doing 40mph and stuck there, despite there having been plenty of overtaking opportunities, because the person directly behind the lorry doesn't overtake? I understand that some people aren't confident drivers so I get myself away from these people as soon as an opportunity presents itself.

Slow drivers are a danger as well.
Smart motorways are brilliant. I actually love average speed cameras. I do fairly decent mileage and what I find is that there are large egos on the road. The amount of people that don't realise that a double lane dual carriageway has a 70mph speed limit is ridiculous. You're cruising in the outside lane and some dawdler pulls out in front of you to overtake something in the inside lane and you've got to haul on the anchors because they've checked their mirrors once, thought you're doing 60 and just went for it.

Average speed cameras all the way. They fitted out nearly the whole A90 and on my drive to Aberdeen I find it actually a lot more pleasant because people just crack on instead of these idiots that don't want to let you past because you're travelling faster than them and they need to be in front.

Checked out the Toyota Auris as I'm not too fussed on make/model but prices are out of my range.
For only 9k I could have this 2016 model with only 224,000 miles on the clock...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202111129500159

Checked out the Toyota Auris as I’m not too fussed on make/model but prices are out of my range.
For only 9k I could have this 2016 model with only 224,000 miles on the clock…
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202111129500159/blockquote >

That is absolutely hilarious I almost spat my coffee out.

 

That has to be either a typo in the price or mileage surely to goodness.

150,000 miles over average and above market price, (if you believe their data)?

tthew
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That has to be either a typo in the price or mileage surely to goodness.

150,000 miles over average and above market price, (if you believe their data)?

Nope, not the mileage at least!

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Doesn't multiple MOTs per year mean its a taxi or something?

Well, other options under 10k were a cat-N one at 8k and 158,000 miles, or this one that was such a bargain at £9995 and a mere 165,000 miles that is now sold.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202201171466303

TAXI! Like I said earlier, loads of these being used as taxis where I live. Mostly white though. TBF though that mileage on a Toyota means it's only just run in.

Hmm, for a little bit more this actually looks alright
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202201171457151

that mileage on a Toyota means it’s only just run in.
Possibly, although I'm wary of remaining battery life on hybrids as the cost to replace would be prohibitive I imagine.

Hmm, for a little bit more this actually looks alright
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202201171457151
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Even looks to have Michelin CrossClimates fitted, always a good sign on a used car.