So the beeb reckon! Only fair I suppose!
He won't as England SHALL win and meet the Germans next round.
bye bye Fabio. England are sharing the nextplane home with France
who's next? who actually [i]wants[/i] the job? Poisoned chalices don't come any more poisoned
Good man. I like that attitude!!
That's hairys attitude by the way not john dumber's
Who's Capello?
ooh playground insults, I like 😉
Perhaps the whole team should resign if they don't win on Wednesday!
Perhaps the whole team should resign if they don't win on Wednesday!
Now that would be amusing and more entertaining too!
Sticks and stones and all that, but it was shirley deserved!
why deserved?
I call it like I see it, England aren't good enough IMO to get through the group stage. Someone disagrees with me & resorts to playground insults based on my username. wow. very clever
Sort of goes without saying doesn't it? Be funny if he tried to stay on after drawing with the USA, Algeria and Slovenia, if only for the sheer brass neck of it.
Anyhow, I favour the brave sons of St George to put the Slovenians to the sword and all will be well.
I call it like I see it, England aren't good enough IMO to get through the group stage
They looked pretty good in qualifying tho, wouldn't you agree? Dunno why I'm bothering, you're an obvious troll on this subject.
I hope we turn em over 4 nil just for you jd. And it was hardly an insult, more a play on words. I'm sure I've been called wrongyson a few times on here but I really haven't let it cause me too much lost sleep. Night all. X
I thought it was that the F.A. expect Capello to resign in a fall on his sword type of way, not that he said he would.
seriously ?
you think he'd walk away from 6 million a year, or whatever, until 2012 ?
I'd wait to be sacked and pretend I'm not a quitter
Oh and one more thing jd, i presume youre a drummer in your band, which ive made a couple of positive posts about in the past.
well I'd love to see them prove me wrong. They did really well in qualifying, true. I'm not trolling, I just can't see England beating Slovenia on the last 2 performances
The fact is the manager doesn't play in the team, he just picks the first eleven, it's upto those 23 players to step up and do what they are payed for, yes payed for after all they get payed to play for England through the FA, if anyone else other than footballers didn't do they're job they would be sacked, I'm working with a German bloke at the moment that said before the WC that England wouldn't do good as they've too many players of world class ability that are so wrapped up in themselves to care about playing for a team, they just want to make themselves look good.
its a collective thing , the team is shite so they all should go imo
Why keep blaming the manager? Everyone knows even a world class manager cannot turn things around if he has a bunch of celebrities that only feed on fans' hard earn pocket money and their egos.
C'mon are you in the dream land to think that England can win another trophy? For foreseeable future the bet should be to see if England will be able to proceed to the 2nd round.
Celebrity first => represent England => No incentive => Shite.
2nd rated English player => represent England => incentive to become superstar => Play their socks off.
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How about they all put, say, £60k of their cash up then get £10k back for every point England win?
They should still win 😕
Regardless of the two terrible performances, they did get there and everyone really knows that they are better than this as players.
Whatever your opinion on their wages, cars, affairs, clothes etc etc they ain't too shabby as footballers.
That said I am saying 'should' and if whatevers wrong isn't sorted well then maybe they wont.
Still to this day I can never understand why a player is sellected on how good he is playing in a certain position for his club, then put in a different one for his country?
A wise man said here a few days ago that he suspected Slovenia weren't there to simply make up the numbers...unlike France 🙂
I don't want to see Capello go.
We could go through a manager at every euro/world cup if this continues, if we do not qualify let him have the time to analyse what happened and try again. To my mind we have only had one bad match. vs the USA we where certainly not great, but not terrible. Still time to turn this around, its the character of the players which will be tested from this point.
sorry, what did the media make up now?
the team deserve the support of the country, not the back stabbing jealousy peddled by our media, but our greed and inflated self opinion means we cannot support anything that is not a 'winner'
It was said yesterday that the combined Algerian teams wage didn't amount to the lowest England players wage, enough said really, if any one of us was as shit at their job last week as they were last week we would have been at the dole office this morning.
He's a dead man walking. The only way he can improve things is by changing the way we play. He's insisted that he won't do that so any change will be perceived as bending to player power, which is another route to the exit door.
Just a thought but if he does insist on 4-4-2 doesn't it make sense to drop Rooney and play Defoe and Crouch ? Proven together at Spurs and both score goals.
David Beckham will be the next manager I reckon
[i] but our greed and inflated self opinion means we cannot support anything that is not a 'winner'[/i]
If you want to support richly paid losers, you're more than welcome 🙂
saleem, not to sure about that a few are or were Portsmouth and one was Rangers.
They're probably hungrier though.
😆 at the wages comments, if it's anything else it's always 'well that's business' or 'if you don't want to pay it don't' ect etc.
doesn't it make sense to drop Rooney and play Defoe and Crouch ?
Yes, but:
Can you *not* pick him? Seriously, can any manager leave one of the world's top 5 on the bench, in preference for Peter Crouch? I don't think there's a manager in the world with the balls to do that at a world up.
If they win I want to see humbleness (if that's even a word) sadly I think if they do win we'll revert back to how we were a few weeks back.
Steve Mclaren should sent home. Oops did I slip there and call Fabio Steve?
humbleness (if that's even a word)
"humility" 🙂
I don't know paid for what they're playing for England but I'm prepared to guess it's dwarfed by their club wages.It was said yesterday that the combined Algerian teams wage didn't amount to the lowest England players wage, enough said really...
I struggle to work out what pay has to do with it. If they take up the option to represent their country they should aim to win, regardless of the wage. As it happens I don;t think there was much wrong with either the will to win or the effort put in on Friday. There were plenty of other problems (e.g. tactical, technical, mental preparation) but they wanted to win, tried to win and were obviously hacked off that they didn't.
David Beckham will be the next manager I reckon
God help us.
if you look at crapello's gestures and body language on the line you'd think that he's no more impressed than the rest of us.once the players are on the field it's largely down to them and they just slip into the same hald arsed shit they have done for most recent managers
but they wanted to win, tried to win and were obviously hacked off that they didn't.
Did we watch the same match? They looked absolutely clueless to me.
Did we watch the same match? They looked absolutely clueless to me
Yes, they looked clueless to me too. They didn't seem to have a clue [b][i]how[/i][/b] to win. That's different to not putting the effort in (which is what people seem to be accusing them of).
I just can't see England beating Slovenia on the last 2 performances
Yeah but you just don't know which England are gonna turn up to you?
Yes, they looked clueless to me too
But the best 23 players in the country should be able to play at this level. There doesn't seem to be cohesion or communication between the players. They were poor against the USA and absolutely disgraceful against Algeria.
[s]Capello to resign if England fail on Wednesday[/s]
I think its more likely
Capello to be quietly paid off if England fail on Wednesday
Capello is pretty blameless compared to the players and their lack of endeavour.
If Robert Green didn't have butter fingers, England would be joint top of the group and only needing a draw on Wednesday.
A mountain to climb against Slovenia, but not insurmountable if the players get their acts together.
But the best 23 players in the country should be able to play at this level.
Why 'should' they? When were we given this right?
Take a dispassionate look at some of the names in the 23 and I don't reckon we're underperforming too badly. It's more likely we over-qualified.
Look at Portugal 4 up at the moment against N Korea, England would probably be 0-0, desire, lacking at England, They shouldn't get paid to play for their counrty, that way you'd see who is passionate about playing for their national team.
Edit 5-0
make that 6, no 7-0
Should we stop paying our Olympians, cricketers, rugby players etc too? I'm all for results based rewards but let's do it across the board.They shouldn't get paid to play for their country, that way you'd see who is passionate about playing for their national team.
I think we all need to stop getting on their backs now (including the media) and get behind them for Wednesday.
The time for recriminations is later and, barring a spectacular change in performances, will be needed and expected.
molgrips are you saying that England FC are Bipolar?
£6 million a year for a part time job, not bad at all.
I'm not into football, but...
I did end up watching England v Algeria
Even to someone like me, with little idea of the subtle nuances of the game, the England players appeared very poor -I found myself wanting Algeria to score in order to spice things up a little.
The manager on the touch-line appeared as frustrated as the fans and it is ridiculous that people were immediately calling for his sacking after revering him so much for the past couple of years. How much influence does the manager have on an international team that gets together fairly infrequently?
The hype for the England team [i]and for football in general[/i] is far beyond the reality. Football really isn't that exciting for 90% of the time and the England team didn't appear to be the conquerors of the world that some deluded souls appear to think that they are.
ps. Although it isn't entirely relevant to the Algeria game, the level of pay of the players(by clubs or otherwise) and the England manager(by the FA) is [b]obscene[/b].
I also find the worship and adulation given to people who can kick a ball skilfully quite distasteful, but I suppose that is up to the worshippers. I hope some of the clubs go bust as an example of how ridiculous and unsustainable their 'business' models are.
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Northwind, we all know that the Sun are a bunch of idiots and don't represent what the fans think, so why are you posting that up ?
We've played really badly an are still in with a chance of topping the group. Must be a pretty easy group.
Trailmonkey- because it's fun to laugh at the Sun. Don't be so defensive.
Fixture list for this week looks good though..
Tuesday - Mexico meet Uruguay in Rustenburg
Wednesday - Australia meet Serbia in Nelspruit
Thursday - France meet England in the Airport
lol @ druidh so very true mate, of coures only bringing home.....the duty frees.
ok, ok, I'll do it - I'll take on the 'poisioned chalice' that is the england managers job
I'll just go into the press conferences, hand out paper with 11 lines on, tell each journo to write who they want and then go with the majority. bob's yer dad's bro, no criticism because the press pick the team and formation.
how hard can it be, just tell the truth from the outset, that the prem and champions league are preventing us from ever winning the world cup / euro's and that we should relax and enjoy the fact that we're at least good enough to get into the top 20ish
I can't help thinking that the problems are down to a player revolt and nothing to do with the manager. I feel that the presence of John Terry is not going to have a settling effect among his team[i][b]mates[/b][/i], this article does nothing to make me change my mind.
[url= http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/world_cup_2010/8751854.stm ]John Terry is a mistake![/url] Footballers are generally not the sharpest tools and might not be able to tell the difference between protesting against Terry and damaging the team...
Get rid of Terry and see what happens???
I'd play the 11 who haven't featured yet.
it should be a good fixture on thursday........ england to meet france on the plane home !!!!!
Drop Terry. He's overrated and a bottler anyway. Now we can add shit stirrer to the list.
Looks like he's been hanging out with the French players at Chelsea for too long. I wont be unhappy to see him sitting on the bench with his tracksuit on for the entirety of the match.
Fabio has been a winner all his life so why would he not want to be now, the mans got balls like a gorilla, had as a player and now as a manager, not scared of dropping player, he admits to not wanting to play flashy football at the cost of success, If England can't win with the team he's picked, which are the best available in the country that's not his fault it's the players, Terry as good as a player as he is shouldn't be there anyway, it should be Wayne Bridge, albeit they play in different positions.
If England can't win with the team he's picked, which are the best available in the country that's not his fault it's the players
well only if he selcts the correct team.
Playing your best midfielder and one of the best in the country out of position on the left does not strike me as genius or not his fault.
Not picking Cole and insisting on playing Heskey with Rooney , who plays as alone striker and has never had a big target man at Man U etc is his fault.
That said any team should have beaten Algeria and they have perfomed poorly
I would play 4-2-3-1
well only if he selcts the correct team.
You can hardly blame him for sticking with the team that did so well in qualification for the world cup. I'd be very surprised if he names the same side on Wednesday. It's clear that it isn't working.
Just to think had Rob Green kept out that shot we'd be sitting comfortably on 4 points right now, only needing a point to go through.
We need an early goal against Slovenia as we had against USA, that might settle the players so we don't end up with a repeat of the algeria game.
Hoping this John Terry stuff means they will get at them from the 1st whistle.
they'll go at them for 25 minutes, fail to get anywhere, passes will go astray, then they'll bottle it, rooney red carded, and so on.....
iDave has it, except for the fact that they'll probably pick us off along the way.
The game against the USA showed that Slovenia play with 2 very regimented lines of 4, they were very hard to break down and potent on the counter. However, as soon as the US changed from their lines of 4 and passed around Slovenia, they took them apart. I cannot believe that if I could see that, the England staff could not. We have to be prepared to change things, hopefully from the start, if we're going to get the result we need. I rather suspect we won't and iDave's prediction will happen.
England fan's, and i'm not one, fail to even register that the players in other teams may actually be pretty handy, but crucially may lack the deluded arrogance and lack of team spirit that English premiership players seem to wallow in.
How good would Man U and Chelsea be with only English players?
i think terry seems to be having a detrimental impact on the team
i cant see that his team mates would have judged him too harshly on his behaviour with wayne bidges missus, they are footy players after all,
but he seems very resentful of capello dropping him as captain and wayne bridges snub of him and then quitting the england squad and then his roasting in the press seems to have dented his enormous ego ,
which is one of his strengths and something i imagine the rest of the team depend on too.
the giving up after 25 mins thing is spot on
they are having some sort of morale problem, whether its terry being a dick, capello being a bully or their pampered lifestyle as underwear models or celeb party pap fodder i dont know
some sort of morale problem
I think they are worried about the effect of the budget on the public sector. Perhaps some angst as they thought that quantitive easing was essential to avoid the double dib recession and they are concerned about the little people?
They have been playing like they dont care.
Any of the 3 goalies is fine (although i'd like to see Hart given a go but not worth swapping for - James is more vocal and experienced)
Defence:
Carraghers out anyway, Kings injured, so Upson in. Terrys a **** but he puts his body on the line so he's in. Cole and Johnson have been ok.
Midfield:
Gerrard needs to get in the centre. Barry drops behind the midfield to cover the defence so Gerrard can play further forward and have a free role and so as that A.Cole and Johnson can run at their midfield. Lennon on rightwing, J.Cole on leftwing, both running to the bylines and cutting it across. Lampard has been fairly low key but he can score so keep him on.
Rooney on his own up front, supported by Cole, Lennon, Lampard and Gerrard
If we cant score, take Lampard off and put Defoe on for more pace or Crouch to get his head on the crosses.
Stop playing the long ball all the time 🙂 We need to run at the midfield and defences. long ball only works if you catch people by surprise!
Easy 🙂
Tim, there's a vacancy at Anfield....
Picking a team and looking at tactics is relatively easy
Juggling the egos of a load of semi-illiterate footballers and taking the blame when they cant be arsed to chase the ball and then lose?
Sod that 🙂
Only Rooney chases the ball down if he loses it. No-one else in the team seems to care when they make an error. Thats the problem.