[Closed] Cameron as PM

Give em a couple of years to make a balls of things, Labour will regroup, General Election and be back in power faster than you can say 'What's all this PR nonsense then'.

At least I bloody hope that's what'll happen.

Seems to me that the only people throwing insults around are everyone but the Tories/Tory supporters

Anyone else rather depressed at this idea?

Sort of
but with any luck it will destroy the Tories, it won't be long before the infighting starts

The Libs & the Tories are the perfect storm brewing IMO

I'm even more depressed by the idea of Michael Gove having any sort of role in the cabinet - he seems to be a total chinless c*ckmonkey and my local MP to boot.

Still, it'll all be over by Christmas...

Hey at least "The Market" might be happy.

For it would seem our entire livelihood depends on a bunch of coked up panicking f***kwits who seem to have so much power despite killing our economy that they somehow think they can dictate our politics.

I'd like to cover "The markets" in petrol and acid then set fire to them. Then I'd ask them what they "want" as they burn rapidly to small cinders.

Sorry - random rant.

I'm really worried also about this hatchet job they seem to be planning on public services. What do they think will happen if they suddenly slash expenditure? Everything will be ok again? What about all the folk who get canned?

whats gonna be the first sleaze scandal?

i reckon

osborne caught on camera at a bestiality puppy farm

Still, it'll all be over by Christmas..

Good idea. Cameron, Brown and Clegg should all step down, and we run an election with three new leaders. Great idea.

We'll find out that Thatch has been pulling the strings like Morgana le Fey, and Cameron is Mordred.

molgrips - are you seriously saying that Labour wouldn't have had to cut public spending if they had won?

It looks like they've deliberately ducked out of coalition with Lib Dems precisely so they don't have to do the necessary cutting themselves, now they'll pick a new leader in opposition while complaining about 'Tory cuts'.

Seems to me that the only people throwing insults around are everyone but the Tories/Tory supporters

That's because Tories and their supporters deserve to be abused and insulted. 😀

Makes a change anyway; last week all the little Tory boys on here were wetting their pants.

I'm really worried also about this hatchet job they seem to be planning on public services

Well it won't be fun but can't carry on with this overspending so not too many options.

Labour would have cut, but I'd have liked to think they'd have postponed it long enough and done it gradually enough so that the economy would recover to the point where there'd be jobs for the jobless. At least, that's what I interpreted them as saying in their campaign. All Cam said was that he wanted to slash spending and slash it now! Due to the apparently lack of thought they've shown in the last few years I'd be worried that theyd' start slicing just to appease the baying hordes whingeing about budget deficit without any understanding of consequences.

Chinless windbag CallmeDave will get played by the Eurosceptics and Osborne.... well he really worries me.

A pretty pickle we'll be in now Lib/Lab talks have broken down (not that a Lib/Lab pact would have made much difference)

molgrips - the difference between all three parties plans on reducing the deficit are tiny. The argument about NI and the timing etc. were largely illusory smokescreens to avoid them having to spell out the awful facts to us child-like voters. There's a graph somewhere on the BBC website based on published plans from all three parties, can't find it now, but there are three lines, all going the same way, the difference between them isn't really significant.

I'm amazed at how aggressively and openly 'left' STW is, I figured that with everyone being wealthy IT workers with Audis and Yetis it would be a little more representative on here given the way the vote actually went.

I hope you're right PC.

GaryLake - there are a few vocal lefties on here, they are not necessarily representative. Also we're not all IT workers and although we hav enice bikes many of us do not have big houses or big cars. I think most of us are of the opinion that all one needs is a nice bike and time and a place to ride it.

Also this thread is not about tory ideology, it's about bloody Cameron.

GaryLake - Member

I'm amazed at how aggressively and openly 'left' STW is, I figured that with everyone being wealthy IT workers with Audis and Yetis it would be a little more representative on here given the way the vote actually went.

might be representative of the issues of FPTP 🙂

Theres more lefties than righties (as totals) 😀

I think most of us are of the opinion that all one needs is a nice bike and time and a place to ride it.

HERE HERE 🙂

I heard last night he would bring back IDS & Michael Howard. *shudders & looks for garlic*

I think most of us are of the opinion that all one needs is a nice bike and time and a place to ride it.

I can live by that!

What will happen to Mandelson? I presume his Lordship is for life so will still be kicking about at the top of the Labour party?

GaryLake - Member

I'm amazed at how aggressively and openly 'left' STW is, I figured that with everyone being wealthy IT workers with Audis and Yetis it would be a little more representative on here given the way the vote actually went.

I find it frighteningly right wing 🙂

I think it depends on your own view but the nasty me me me and begger the rest of you attitudes many folk on here display is rather right wing as is the insistence on swallowing tory propaganda about pensions and so on.

I think STW - or certainly the noisy ones are about 1/3 to the left and 2/3 to the right

I find that lefties are disproportionately vocal, and incredibly committed. I'm tossing time away this afternoon, so I'm quite happy to sit and argue with people who are coming out with reheated rubbish from Ben Elton's 1987 act. Most of the time I have things to do, so it's far easier to just let people ramble on about Thatcher, top hats and monocles, rather than disagree and get 6 irate responses in 5 minutes.

carbon337 - Member

What will happen to Mandelson? I presume his Lordship is for life so will still be kicking about at the top of the Labour party?

He's discovered immortality and has pics of the queen doing the bad thing

he will never, ever go away

scared yet? 🙂

The mere mention of IDS has just sent a feeling of terror and dread through my entire body

Not dissimilar to IBS really

who better to understand the needs of the man in the street than a man with 30 million pounds in the bank?

🙂

My take - whatever happens we can't change it now so just try and live a life that is as far from government control and learn to adapt and roll with whatever "punches" they deal out.

Well at least we got rid of this person 🙂

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What annoys me more than anything is the ridiculous vitriolic rants about how past govts have been the worst people in the world ever ever, slagging off every single thing, without making any effort to try and understand what's actually going on.

Some folk look at the faces on telly, hear snippets of what's happened and concoct these bizarre fantasies of evil and insanity, rather than taking the viewpoint that these people are humans, with human failings and aspirations, and try and understand. No-one's that stupid or evil in reality.

Apart from Cameron 😉

Or Brown. 😀

or Thatcher

actually - especially Thatcher

I find that lefties are disproportionately vocal, and incredibly committed.

I agree. It never ceases to amaze me the inability of many Tories/right-wingers on here to express themselves in a convincing manner. Just take Flashheart for example, now I'm sure he tries his best, but clearly the posh public school educated toff isn't up to it 😐 Stoner could undoubtedly do a better job - if only he could be arsed. Aracer doesn't do too bad a job, but he doesn't seem to entirely know whether he is actually a Tory or not. Which leaves it all to ratty (zulu whatsit) And since he represents the most ridiculous and absurd wing of the extreme right in the Tory Party, he's not really worth taking seriously. Yup..... all in all it's pretty depressing 😐

As far as whether the idea of Cameron as PM is depressing, I find the thought of a "Rainbow Coalition" even more depressing.

So it's depression all round, I fear .......

Nah, I think Brown was ok - a bit crap at being a politician but ok at getting stuff done. Since being PM involves both those things...

Cameron as PM? Superb news. Whether in a coalition with the libdems(which will destroy their party if they do) or as a minority Government, they are compromised and virtually powerless in parliament.

A masterstroke by Labour.

from guardian

"The note appears to suggest that the party's (lid Dem) share of ministerial roles should be in proportion to its share of votes – approximately 39% of the total. The sheet of paper includes a series of figures evidently showing the rationale behind this claim.

The most eye-catching phrase, apparently referring to government jobs for Clegg's MPs, comes in the final line: "one in each dept"."

The bloke with the glasses has just said that Ken Clarke may become chancellor, with Vince Cable as second in command.

That would be absolutely fantastic in my book. Two experienced people with fairly sane views.

Cameron as PM? Superb news. Whether in a coalition with the libdems(which will destroy their party if they do) or as a minority Government, they are compromised and virtually powerless in parliament.

A masterstroke by Labour.

That's a somewhat perverse position to take. We need the government to sort out the economy and make the cuts that need to be made. If the government can't, yes, it will reflect badly on whoever's in power, but it will also mean genuine problems for everyone in the UK.

To me, that's rather more important than party politics.

Two experienced people

Just the one has experience in government/cabinet/number 11. The other one has no experience at all.

Not too bothered with the idea of a Tory government or Cameron as PM, he's an empty suit of course but then so was Tony Blair, the only time Blair ever caused us real problems was when he actually had an opinion.

On the other hand, Osborne as chanceller properly curls my toes.

Perverse, yes. But this is politics after all and in the current situation it takes precedence over the economy. What do you think Clegg has been doing for the last five days? Been going down the pub with his mates Dave and Gordon?

On the other hand, Osborne as chanceller properly curls my toes.

I don't think he's going to be chancellor.

+1 for tron.

The other one has no experience at all.

Cable's got a Phd in Economics, and was chief economist at Shell. I'd hardly call that no experience at all.

Hell, it's rather more qualification than any chancellor I can remember.

wow ken clarke and vince cable tag team in the exchequer sounds good to me

arent they both very pro europe? far more so than brown who was a very eurosceptic chanellor

arent they both very pro europe?

That's why I'd be amazed if it happens.

But this is politics after all and in the current situation it takes precedence over the economy.

The collection of arseholes (and I'm sure they are mostly arseholes, being that going through the Student Union Exec seems to be a prerequisite for any career in politics) are our servants.

They have no place trying to deliberately scupper things in the hope that they can have their jobs back in a few years.

KC is indeed very pro europe, but I think he's old enough now to know when to keep his mouth shut.

Hell, it's rather more qualification than any chancellor I can remember.

You've not seen Gideon Osborne yet, he's loaded with talent & experience
or so [I once met a black man] Dave says anyway

How much of the debt is from the bank bail out, how much from smaller tax revenues and how much is from the war?

Is anyone remotely concerned about the fact that Cameron will (presumably) head a government that now has the various Terrorism Acts in place? Essentially, he has carte blanche to tap people's phones, lock someone up without trial for 28 days, try them with no jury, court evidence is just an optional extra, and all for looking like they might have once thought about not agreeing with the government. That's how those pieces of legislation work as far as I can see, anyway.

Anyone bothered that a right-wing government now has those terrifying powers?

Anyone bothered that a right-wing government now has those terrifying powers?

didn't the exiting right wing government have those powers too?

Anyone bothered that a right-wing government now has those terrifying powers?

I was more bothered when a left wing government had them. Most of the world's major internal surveillance systems have been the product of left wing systems - the Stasi, the NKVD etc. The left wing is inherently more interested in controlling and monitoring citizens in my book.

Given that both the Liberals and the Conservatives have strong civil liberties elements within their parties (remember David Davis resigning?), I hope we'll see the legislation toned down.

The collection of arseholes (and I'm sure they are mostly arseholes, being that going through the Student Union Exec seems to be a prerequisite for any career in politics) are our servants.

There are career politicians in all the main parties.

They have no place trying to deliberately scupper things in the hope that they can have their jobs back in a few years.

Erm, that's how politics works. Anything else you'd like me to point out?

I was more bothered when a left wing government had them. Most of the world's major internal surveillance systems have been the product of left wing systems - the Stasi, the NKVD etc. The left wing is inherently more interested in controlling and monitoring citizens in my book.

Well I'm sure all the people in those banana republics slept soundly at night.

Of course, Chile, Argentina, White ruled South Africa etc never had state organisations watching & controlling their citizenry did they?

Only left-wing Govts do that.. 🙄

Is anyone remotely concerned about the fact that Cameron will (presumably) head a government that now has the various Terrorism Acts in place? Essentially, he has carte blanche to tap people's phones, lock someone up without trial for 28 days, try them with no jury, court evidence is just an optional extra, and all for looking like they might have once thought about not agreeing with the government. That's how those pieces of legislation work as far as I can see, anyway.

Anyone bothered that a right-wing government now has those terrifying powers?

That's hilarious. Well done.
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Anyone bothered that a right-wing government now has those terrifying powers?

didn't the exiting right wing government have those powers too?

+1.

There are career politicians in all the main parties.

Not something I dispute. They're all arseholes in the main.

Erm, that's how politics works. Anything else you'd like me to point out?

It may well be how politics works at present, but it's not how it [b]should [/b]work. We elect these people to represent our interests, not their own. If we allow a small clique to govern for their benefit, and sit around going "Oh, that's politics, didn't you know? How gauche!" then we'll end up in the shit pretty damned quickly.

cameron is not a direct threat as such

hes seems rather vacuous and devoid of original ideas himself, its his paymasters and pupeteers, ashcroft, wheeler, murdoch etc id be worried about

i suppose if the torys really do balls things up again and we end up with poll-tax esque riots then maybe those powers could be dangerous

this morning, the sun rose in the sky, i woke up, put the kettle on, and made a cup of coffee.

Then i drove to work, all the traffic lights worked, i saw a bin-lorry and some dudes hard at work filling it.

as far as i can tell, life continues pretty much as it was before the election.

as far as i can tell, politicians only ever make things worse, how about we just do without them? we let them get on with their talks and their squabbles, and we quietly get on with our lives?

Just dred its not a return to the 80's
high even higher week to week intrest rates
and plenty of reduncies
God knows how the Tories are going to cut the
spending in the NHS has they already privatised
most of the manual workforce in the 80's
Created PFI to give new buildings and wards
Only to find the NHS cant open them being the
Contracted costs to maintain and runing them.

After just bailing out the Banks cock up we are
now going to face the true reccession thats coming up!

didn't the exiting right wing government have those powers too? - Good point!

Granted the ex-USSR had a very strong line in repression, but I really can't see that right-wingers connect in any way either with civil liberties; eg Maggie and the miners/Irish/anyone who disagreed with her/support for the charming Mr Pinochet; George Bush and Guantanamo; Germany 1933-45 etc etc. I did rather assume that David Davis' resignation was some sort of barking publicity stunt that mis-fired; I don't see the Terrorism laws being relaxed any time soon!

Leaving aside economic prefernces, views on teaching, healthcare and all those things that are very important, for me the biggest reason I could never vote for the right is their (to me) repressive tendencies.

It may well be how politics works at present, but it's not how it should work. We elect these people to represent our interests, not their own. If we allow a small clique to govern for their benefit, and sit around going "Oh, that's politics, didn't you know? How gauche!" then we'll end up in the shit pretty damned quickly.

I like you. You have a wonderfully romantic view of the world.

Germany 1933-45 etc etc.

National socialists. A bit different to the Communist variety and not very left wing.

Come on, even some of you ardent Tories must have cringed when you saw Osborne, Letwin and Gove trying to be all statesmanlike with the Lib Dems?

So do you think we should be communists?

I like you. You have a wonderfully romantic view of the world.

So hang on - if something doesn't work, we should just accept that? And if you don't want to accept it you're branded a romantic and get condescended at.. hmm.. I see. And there was me thinking the point was to try and make things better.

Very sloppy backhander. Everyone knows that they were way to the right of labrat.

So hang on - if something doesn't work, we should just accept that? And if you don't want to accept it you're branded a romantic and get condescended at.. hmm.. I see. And there was me thinking the point was to try and make things better.

You'll have to forgive me for being a cynic or realist then.

I just dont see the government lasting very long at all when the presure comes on.

Granted the ex-USSR had a very strong line in repression, but I really can't see that right-wingers connect in any way either with civil liberties; eg Maggie and the miners/Irish/anyone who disagreed with her/support for the charming Mr Pinochet; George Bush and Guantanamo; Germany 1933-45 etc etc. I did rather assume that David Davis' resignation was some sort of barking publicity stunt that mis-fired; I don't see the Terrorism laws being relaxed any time soon!

The IRA were rather more successful at killing people than islamic extremists appear to be in the UK, but we didn't have anywhere near the level of infringement of civil liberties that we do now.

but we didn't have anywhere near the level of infringement of civil liberties that we do now.

But if we did, would it have saved lives?

For anyone to turn round & say that Left wing government is more oppressive than a Right wing government & visa-versa is smoking opium.

But if we did, would it have saved lives?

I doubt it, they tried internment, found out that it didn't work, and possibly even increased terrorism, so they stopped it.

Tron - didn't the police ask for these anti-terrorism powers to allow them to do their jobs?

molgrips - if you want a police state, a good way to do that would be to give the police any powers they ask for.

Their job would be loads easier for example if they didn't need evidence, or could beat confessions out of suspects, etc.

To be fair, I think it was the security services (MI5,6 etc) who campaigned for these laws. The thing is, we'll never know if they're working or not.

I'm not left or right, I'm an anarchist. That's why I usually vote Liberal. BTW.

Camaroon and Cleggy have impressed me more since the election than at any time previously.

tron - Member

I was more bothered when a left wing government had them. Most of the world's major internal surveillance systems have been the product of left wing systems - the Stasi, the NKVD etc. The left wing is inherently more interested in controlling and monitoring citizens in my book.

non of these are left wing - all are totalitarain - not the same thing at all. totalitarian states with communist rehtoric does not make them left wing -

well last time the tories were in things werent great in that respect,
i certainly get the impression that the racist thugs of the 80s are no longer dominant in the force
would the stephen lawrence debacle have happened under nulabour?
probably no

obviously the demenezes family would argue otherwise-
could that have happened under the tories,
probably yes

imho

didn't the police ask for these anti-terrorism powers to allow them to do their jobs?

They did, but the Police have become increasingly political under Labour.

And the fact is, the Police will always ask for more powers in order to do their jobs - I'm sure detection rates would go through the roof if people were allowed to fall down the stairs, but they're not, and for good reasons.

I simply do not believe the terror threat exists at the level the government claims - events like the Mumbai attack have shown how much havoc a few well organised people can create, but they don't seem to be happening here. The vast majority of bombers we've seen here haven't even got the basic chemistry right.