[Closed] Caffeine Shampoo - wtf?

does it claim to do anything else

[url= http://www.alpecin.co.uk/en/products/caffeine-shampoo.html ]Err yes - this line in bollocks[/url]

I like this line on their site...
[b][i]leaving the product on excessively long can result in temporary redness[/i][/b]
Believing their marketing bollocks will leave your face temporarily red too.

You know what, I feel a complaint to the ASA coming on. Given the rubbish weather forecast for this weekend I should have plenty of time to find something on their website that may constitute false or misleading advertising.

I am a petty, petty man

Believing their marketing bollocks will leave your face temporarily red too.

As will automatically disbelieving it without putting any actual thought into it 😉

As will automatically disbelieving it without putting any actual thought into it

(IMO of course - feel free to douse yourself in the stuff - what is the worst that could happen?)

As will automatically disbelieving it without putting any actual thought into it

Actually I'd say that is perfectly acceptable to take an initial stance of disbelief until those that make such claims substantiate them.

Hairloss? Get it with Alpecin
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LOL good point Dave

BEFORE > AFTER.

#Fail

Perhaps I am badly wrong but I honestly don't [b]believe[/b] I am.

If only science were about faith 🙂

You could always do just a teensy bit of googling to find out if there's any science backing these claims. And as it turns out there might be.

Actually I'd say that is perfectly acceptable to take an initial stance of disbelief until those that make such claims substantiate them.

I'd say that a neutral stance would be more reasonable. Especially as it's a subject with which MF is not personally concerned and knows nothing about. Not really fair to slag something off automatically is it? What happened to innocent until proven guilty as a moral framework?

What happened to innocent until proven guilty as a moral framework?

That's not how science works. If you make a claim it is up to you to prove that it is vaild, it's not up to others to prove that it's not.

What happened to innocent until proven guilty as a moral framework?

Most of the final editing of beauty related adverts is completed by lawyers. "Can help reduce [i]the appearance of[/i] wrinkles" or "7/10 people [i]noticed they[/i] had an improvement."

Alternatively they just fill the adverts with psuedo-scientific bullsh*t terms to fool people.

Or on the product demonstration section of adverts, they have to leave a tiny amount of the plaque / dandruff / spots still showing after treatment in case it gives the impression it will definitely cure you.

100% agree joey. I particularly hate this kind of advertising to those who are often (as said above) of low self-esteem because of the complaint.

molgrips, own up you work for Alpacino er I mean Alpecin don't you

No - I just think Molgrips is being Molgrips - trying to draw people into an argument even though he doesn't actually believe the argument he is making.

I think it is called Trolling.

I have no idea why I have been drawn in.

Molgrips - you're on one today - you is on fire! Stop playing devils advocate all the time. 😆
Some of the chemicals in shampoo are known carcinogens (in higher quantities) but the advertising companies hardly say '..becasue I can get malignant lumps....'
They've cherry picked the 'science' just as you have done.
IIRC the motto of the Royal Society is - [u]On the word of no man[/u]
for good reason.
😀

That's not how science works. If you make a claim it is up to you to prove that it is vaild, it's not up to others to prove that it's not.

True but this isn't science, it's marketing. Adverts would be pretty dry if they just talked about the studies supporting their science 🙂

My point is this:

Don't slag something off until you've actually bothered to find out about it, even a little bit.

Next time, why not try these more reasonable phrases:

"I'm sceptical..."
"I find that hard to believe.."

Or my personal favourite:
"I have yet to be convinced..."

And so on 🙂

No - I just think Molgrips is being Molgrips - trying to draw people into an argument even though he doesn't actually believe the argument he is making.

Well that woudl be the case if I were FOR the idea of caffienated shampoo to cure baldness, but I am not.

I am arguing for intelligent thought 🙂

I am arguing for intelligent thought

And I don't NEED to research into whether or not coffee makes hair grow back because I know, through reasoned intelligence, that if coffee DID make hair grow back, it would not need to be advertised. The simple fact that they have paid to advertise it means they are just trying another marketing angle to sell stuff.

To be honest, the whole advert comes across as a spoof 'German Engineering' my hairy arse (and no, I don't rub coffee into it).

Anyone with intelligence knows it to be marketing twaddle

Wait a minute - dismissing something out of hand without knowing about it is intelligent behaviour is it? News to me 🙂

And I don't NEED to research into whether or not coffee makes hair grow back

Mate, I thought you were claiming to be intelligent? No-one's claiming that coffee makes your hair grow back! This is about topical application of caffeine. Very different thing to drinking coffee.

But I'm sure someone as intelligent as you knows that.

Wait a minute - dismissing something out of hand without knowing about it is intelligent behaviour is it?

No-one's claiming that coffee makes your hair grow back! This is about topical application of caffeine. Very different thing to drinking coffee.

But I'm sure someone as intelligent as you knows that.

I have already explained my reasoned intelligent opinion on the matter. Just up there ^^^ look

I didn't consider that intelligent reasoning 🙂

Why not? I would like to think I am intelligent enough to form an opinion on a claim without having to resort to finding absolute proof of said claim before choosing not to believe it.

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You guys so love each other it's reminiscent of binner's love for Hora 🙂

LOL - I don't mind Molgrips in the slightest - but no tongues thanks.

I might give it a try to see if I can grow some hairs as I need some warm over my head.

OK mol,I'll play
1 they offer no evdence for any of their claims,nor do they quote, or even reference, any academic studies to prove their claims about caffeine and hair growth
2 I suspect that any studies that have been done are on oral caffeine,so the effect is systemic rather than topical,so heavy coffee drinkers should have noticeably less hair loss than the average and oral administration should be more effective than topical.
Ian

I assumed the shampoo was to wake you up actually. Which seems reasonable, since drugs can pass through the skin. So I googled it to counter all those folk scoffing on here, and found some research about baldness too.

And yes I'm fairly sceptical if it'd really work but these people don't just invent any old thing to put in their shampoo like they did in Victorian times. There's usually some science linking the two concepts, even if there's no use in their actual product.

Doesn't take much to show an interest in how things work 🙂

Blimey,you type quick LOL
Ian

I suspect that any studies that have been done are on oral caffeine

Did you read the links I posted?

I need hairs and plenty of it ... 😆

Yes,after I posted,I'm not sure what the direct relevance of in vitro studies to a real life situation,nor am I surprised the caffeine resideue is found in hair follicles afetr topical application,but I'm not sure how you tell whether it's due to topical or systemic absorption.
Ian

By the way,you're a bit sharp today,have you been washing your hair too much?
Ian

My point is this:

Don't slag something off until you've actually bothered to find out about it, even a little bit.

Next time, why not try these more reasonable phrases:

I don't believe that [i]I[/i] did.

I slagged off Boots for stocking Homeopathic remedies but as far as I'm concerned that's fair game.

Yes,after I posted,I'm not sure what the direct relevance of in vitro studies to a real life situation,nor am I surprised the caffeine resideue is found in hair follicles afetr topical application,but I'm not sure how you tell whether it's due to topical or systemic absorption.

Me neither - I don't much care whether it works or not. But good to see people reading up on the subject 🙂

I don't believe that I did.

You didn't. I'm mostly talking about the first few responders, who've now all sodded off 🙂

My wife uses caffeine shampoo, no idea why, but you're all missing the point.

Embrace the Shiny.

I shaved off my hair 20 years ago, & would never go back. All that washing, drying, combing etc just seems like a real faff.

Molgrips - I really don't understand your obsession with having to Google for answers. Make your own mind up rather than choose to believe someone else's.

Make your own mind up rather than choose to believe someone else's

Of course. Make your own mind up based on information, not assumption, suspicion and cynicism. Google is an easy way to get evidence.

Notice I linked to scientific papers that don't try and make your mind up for you; they just report what they did.