but given how many complaints from the public I’ve dealt with (I’ve worked in healthcare for a long time) most of the time, they either embellish or just outright lie if they think that’ll get them what they want, so colour me sceptical when folks says “I was very polite”
I'm with you on this.
fair comments, maybe I've been too charitable in an attempt to be balanced.
Wings is an utter diddy who makes up conspiracy theories for fun.
I'd go beyond diddy, way beyond. Another one where I struggle to support his right to spout hateful things.
Is that sufficient reason to refuse to service them though, is it legal to refuse? Back to the debate.
I think banks can close if you don't use the acct enough, there's not enough money in it, you keep going overdrawn, you keep writing cheques that bounce, you are threatening to staff, you come into the bank wearing a balaclava and waving a gun around...
There's probs a shit ton of reasons why they might want to close an acct and most of the time these places don't (can't) share that info with us, so we just don't know. I will say though it probs does Campbell and the vicar no harm to claim that they're victims in all this.
Its a bit similar to the " no platform" debate. Easy to say that folk should be no platformed for outright racism. But then where do you draw the line?
The vicar wasn't David B Rude was he?
https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/14649783.Rev_David_B_Rude
That could explain the confusion.
The vicar wasn’t David B Rude was he?
Made up name, Shirley? 🤣
There are, according to that link, @theotherjonv posted, 305 people 'praying for this article'
Which is perfectly normal and fine.
That’s the most thoughtful response I’ve ever received on here, especially considering the contention surrounding the topic in question.
Thanks. I try to be as reasonable and rational as I can be, I also am not averse to changing opinion as I learn more from others (as I have to a degree here). At the same time I'm aware that at times that means I play devil's advocate or fence sit a bit. Trust me; there are times where the heart vs head internal debate is far fiercer than what you see here - what I'd like to say or do vs what I know I should say or do. It's hard to stay rational on some very emotive topics.
I also struggle, because to try to change opinions I think you first have to understand them. Which means at times I read things on various sites that I really wish I didn't have to, and which annoy, anger or depress me - especially when I then have to defend their right to hold them, when I'd far rather 'hammer frozen sausages into their dog'.
There are, according to that link, @theotherjonv posted, 305 people ‘praying for this article’
Which is perfectly normal and fine.
There's one here praying that his steeple goes all droopy.
WTF happened, I haven't read this thread for days and now it's delving into Hegel and Foucault
Come for the Frog heckle, stay for the discussion on philosophy
Isn't that the STW way?
I have Foucault idea how we got from Farage to philosophers.
You don’t consider political beliefs count as beliefs?
If you like, but didn't Coutts cite Nige being "Xenophobic" and "Racist" in their internal report? are those "political opinions" or just plain old Bigotry?
I'd consider that distinctly different reasoning.
Are you saying being a Bigot is/should be a protected characteristic?
Couple that with his being a PEP (and a consistent apologist for Putin) and "political exposure" already being recognised as grounds to at least review an individuals suitability for access to certain financial services, They were well within their rights TBH.
Still it seems the government of the day disagrees, because Nige has whipped up enough of a frenzy on the DM and via GBeebies, so the banking sector should probably brace itself for some muddled "protections" of individual liberties and rights to be imposed without much thought...
To be protected, a belief must:
Be genuinely held.
Be more than just an opinion or viewpoint based on the present state of information available.
Relate to a weighty and substantial aspect of human life and behaviour.
Contain a certain level of cogency, seriousness, cohesion and importance.
Be worthy of respect in a democratic society, not be incompatible with human dignity and not conflict with the fundamental rights of others
Xenophobia and racism fail to pass the test of that last point and cannot therefore be protected
Xenophobia and racism fail to pass the test of that last point and cannot therefore be protected
So Coutts basic reasoning stands then...
People are being de-banked because of personal views.
Farage can still go get a Natwest account. He's not been debanked.
Where are we drawing the line with this? Are we going to have to invite Farage round to our BBQ because we can't leave him out just because we find him and his views repellant?
Where are we drawing the line with this? Are we going to have to invite Farage round to our BBQ because we can’t leave him out just because we find him and his views repellant?
It's the usual cancel culture bollocks, where man babies cry foul unless they're provided with a megaphone to air their repugnant views.
Are we going to have to invite Farage round to our BBQ because we can’t leave him out just because we find him and his views repellant?
No, you can leave him out.
If he calls his views beliefs though; prepare a place. And we'll have none of that foreign muck served thanks. Proper British sausages only.
As as for 'brown' sauce..... no brown anything!!
Proper British sausages only.
Or German.
There are, according to that link, @theotherjonv posted, 305 people ‘praying for this article’
Which is perfectly normal and fine.
The suggested prayer hints that they aren't entirely supporting the vicar involved, and perhaps even that he should learn to keep his mouth shut! Sounds like the staff may have formed their own view on this gentleman's politeness...
We pray for wisdom for church leaders as they navigate modern life.
Help them to know when to speak and when to refrain.
As as for ‘brown’ sauce….. no brown anything!!
HP sauce is fine, just don't call it brown!
Hold the front page! Nigel the fearless investigative reporter has found some-one else who's bank acct has been closed by Nat West!
https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1684275619285065733
In other news, one of our very own members of the House of Lords also wades in on the scandal!
https://twitter.com/mrevgenylebedev/status/1684629624582467585
wait a minute, might these two folks have something in common? will we ever know?
What's wrong with Russophobia? Just because the Russians have been paying for the Tories for years, and Lebedev got himself a peerage by Bunga-bunga-ing the PM doesn't mean that the rest of the country has to play along with these oligarchs, spooks and their hangers-on.
The trouble is, banks playing silly buggers with customer accounts and then going radio silent when people then try and figure out what's going on is both wrong and a depressingly frequent occurrence in various 'Your problems' type columns (probably only beaten by energy company billing problems).
Farage the Brexit Toad is however the least sympathetic example of this that could ever possibly exist, and this total clusterfork also demonstrates that Coutts might not want him but he is still incredibly privileged, unlike most other people this happens to.
What’s wrong with Russophobia?
I would distinguish between the average Russian and the oligarchs and friends.
After all the former were the first victims of the latter before they decided after looting Russia it was no longer a great place for them to live and came to try the same here.
Nigel the fearless investigative reporter has found some-one else who’s bank acct has been closed by Nat West!
I mentioned a few pages back that I also had the privilege of having an account closed by the NatWest without warning or explanation.
Although in my case it wasn't that I didn't fulfill the wealth criteria, it was more that I didn't fulfill the pot to piss in criteria.
Should I tell Nigel Farage in case he wants to interview me?
And in an act of spooky irony I walked past the branch of the NatWest that closed my account on my way to the building society this afternoon only to discover for the first time that it had recently closed down, even the cash machines which I used a few days ago were boarded up.
People fighting amongst themselves over his points of view.
Farage would be proud.
Farage can still go get a Natwest account. He’s not been debanked.
So as a racist bigot he can't have Coutts account but is ok to have a Natwest one ?
Nothing other than the commercial consideration should ever have been discussed in the closing of his sccount.
but is ok to have a Natwest one ?
Yeah it's where skint racist bigots bank.
Should I tell Nigel Farage in case he wants to interview me?
He has set up his website where you can submit your details and he will leap into action.
I guess compared to what he has been up to in the past its actually not a bad use of his time. Might undo some of the harm he has done to the country.
On the flip side there is no chance I would trust my details to him and I also doubt he will do anything other than pursue his own aims using everyone else.
Irony of ironies, Gina Miller has experienced the same fate as Nigel Farage, who has tweeted out his support for her!
She opened an account for her party. The account was of a type not allowed to be used by political parties. The account was closed. “News” then followed that might as well be shit made up by teenagers. Farage jumped on it because that’s what he does.
That's not quite the whole story - her party had an account with Monzo who do not allow political parties as a matter of policy and the account should not have been opened. There's no discrimination on the basis of her politics.
A Monzo spokesperson told Sky News: "Like lots of banks, we do not accept any political parties as Monzo Business customers in the same way that we don't currently accept trusts, clubs and a range of other organisations.
"In this case, the account wasn't originally categorised as a political party. After this was identified and corrected, the customer was given notice that the account would be closed. We recognise that this experience will have been frustrating for the customer and we're sorry for that."
Are banks free to choose their own business models?
As for Farage jumping on it to validate his current grift; just more lies on top of other lies.
Surely Nigel Farage is a one-man political party?
Are banks free to choose their own business models?
Well they are businesses so I don't see why not, obviously there are laws and regulations for them to adhere to but they should be able to pick which areas of banking they want to operate in.
Monzo simply want online personal banking customers, Natwest want all sorts of personal and business customers, Coutts (owned by NatWest) want Millionaires/Billionaires who might need the odd bit of money laundered, but also understand that discretion is a two way thing 😉
The real 'news' in all of this is the disproportionate influence Toad still appears to wield.
Nigel Farage's highly publicised victory over Couttes/NatWest doesn't appear to have resulted in a surge of support for Reform UK.
The latest poll out with the fieldwork carried out today
https://twitter.com/Omnisis/status/1684936647199105024
It is astonishing that the Tories share of the vote is almost half that of Labour. And the gap is actually widening, as we get closer to the next general election.
Nigel Farage’s highly publicised victory over Couttes/NatWest doesn’t appear to have resulted in a surge of support for Reform UK.
Well they had to change their name after their one policy they had was delivered by the Tories, Does anyone know (or care) what Reform UK's actual policies are? what are they reforming? is it Banks now?
Does anyone know (or care) what Reform UK’s actual policies are?
Judging by their lack of support it would appear that not many people care. I was surprised just how badly they did in May's local elections.
Nevertheless if they manage to get something like 6% of the vote next general election that could, and probably will, do significant damage to the Tories.
Particularly as the Tories will be fighting very hard to hang to the majority of their current seats - most current Tory seats are either going to become safe Labour seats after the next general election or turn into marginals.
Only a minority of the Tories's current seats will remain safe for them after the next GE. All of which will make Reform UK's effect on the Tories's fortunes more critical.
Nevertheless if they manage to get something like 6% of the vote next general election that could, and probably will, do significant damage to the Tories.
They may get 6% of the vote but probably won't get any MPs, the shitty voting system we have works both ways I suppose. Same for Greens 6% (what a country where as many people would vote for Reform as Green)
Belief - Cambridge Dictionary Definition
something that you believe:
All religious and political beliefs should be respected equally.
[ + that ] It is my (firm) belief that nuclear weapons are immoral.
He called at her house in the belief that (= confident that)she would lend him the money.
Source for the unbelievers 😏
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/belief?q=Belief
Belief – Cambridge Dictionary Definition
I hate to break it to you, but our legal system is based on written legislation and judicial precedent, rather than an example taken from a dictionary.
Correct, legislation is written down in English (the official language of the UK) using words from the dictionary that defines the meaning of said words used to form sentences that form the legislation. It’s fundamentally how writing works.
