[Closed] Bringing back the death penalty..

I think it makes perfect sense to make the moral judgement that killing people is wrong and then punish people who kill people by killing them.

Yes, that is both logical and sensible.

FFS.

I think it makes perfect sense to make the moral judgement that killing people is wrong and then punish people who kill people by killing them

Wasn't Ian Huntly mentally ill?

no, he pretended he was, but is in wakefield hmp.

ILMG You are a prince amongst men.

This sums it up.

No man is an island, entire of itself
every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main
if a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were,
as well as if a manor of thy friends or of thine own were
any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind
and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls
it tolls for thee

Wasn't Ian Huntly mentally ill?

1) how do you define this new category of guilt you want that allows you to execute?

2) how do you differentiate between different degrees of child killing to decide who gets a death sentence?

if it was sexual in nature!

3) do you accept that miscarriages will happen and thus would you be content for your son to be executed for a crime he id not commit?

i aim would be to crate a system that meant that could not happen, i dont think we should have a death penalty carried out untill that time. much investment must be made in this first.

sooner or later the bell tolls for us all...

i aim would be to crate a system that meant that could not happen, i dont think we should have a death penalty carried out untill that time. much investment must be made in this first.

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i would still rely on the good old british judiciary system.

So ton, you've never objected to what you've considered light sentencing?

Those that think executing people is cheaper than keeping them banged up need to wake up, in the US (have to use as an example as they're one of the last western "civilisations" to still use the death penalty) i believe the average time spent on death row is over ten years, in which the state is constantly paying for their legal representation (legal aid), it is not cheap and it is in fact usually cheaper to lock them up for life.

Thankfully reading the pro arguments on here have convinced me that they are so badly put together and only held by extremists that they have no chance of ever getting the death penalty back.

What was your sentence ton?

Al, i was meaning if you go to court and get found guilty then that's that.
how many people get off who are guilty?

Thankfully reading the pro arguments on here have convinced me that they are so badly put together and only held by extremists that they have no chance of ever getting the death penalty back.

lets hope we dont have a vote about it then!
sun paper vote = 79.99% want it back

Government survey = 58% but up to 76% for child murder

1) how do you define this new category of guilt you want that allows you to execute?

ILMG has answered this one

2) how do you differentiate between different degrees of child killing to decide who gets a death sentence?

Any act that is accepted to cause harm and leads to the death of a child- I like the ambiguity of this one as it could get some drunk drivers strung up as well

3) do you accept that miscarriages will happen and thus would you be content for your son to be executed for a crime he id not commit?

Collateral damage, in general it would be for the greater good so if a few slip through the net so be it

Collateral damage, in general it would be for the greater good so if a few slip through the net so be it

Is it better to point out to Ben just how stupid he sounds or just laugh at this?

given point 1 and the robust nature of the evidence required and the likely years of appeals do you think people would slip through?

given point 1 and the robust nature of the evidence required and the likely years of appeals do you think people would slip through?

I'm not sure you'd always get a tape of them doing it, is that an essential?

there is always gonna be some miscarrage of justice.
but the list of cold hearted evil twisted people sat in our prisons, costing the country vast amounts of money, far outweighs the few unlucky ones.

I'd rather pay the price for keeping them in prisons rather than having the "unlucky few" pay the ultimate price.

Jeezus Ton, get a grip.

mate, we all have a right to a opinion.

mate, we all have a right to a opinion.

Yeah, I know, but like the Bendy fella says, get a grip.

"1) how do you define this new category of guilt you want that allows you to execute?"

you would have to produce irrefutable evidence, for example the 13 minute tape of the Mira hyndley killing a small child.. maybe a min of three bits of evidence of equal quality

right - so thats the same irrefutable evidence that convicted Downing then.

You still have not defined it. at the moment we have "beyond reasonable doubt" You want another category thats a higher standard than that. define it

"2) how do you differentiate between different degrees of child killing to decide who gets a death sentence?"

if it was sexual in nature!

so only killers of children with sexual motives get a death sentence then?
The 17 yr old boy with his 15 3/4 yr old girlfiend get a bit carried away with erotic asphyxiation and she dies. he gets executed. Thomas Hamilton ( the dunblane killer) does not.

"3) do you accept that miscarriages will happen and thus would you be content for your son to be executed for a crime he id not commit?"

i aim would be to crate a system that meant that could not happen, i dont think we should have a death penalty carried out until that time. much investment must be made in this first.

so somehow you are going to create an infallible system of jurisprudence. Something no country everywhere has ever been able to do.

I'm both deeply saddened and amused at the same time by gears' ability to troll us to 4 or 5 pages in such a short amount of time. He's in Cornball isn't he? Not Surf-Mat messing with our heads is it?

mate, we all have a right to a (sic) opinion.

Everyone? Without exception?

Has anyone seen figures on how many innocent people have been executed in the USA as a percentage of the total killed?

Teej, good old fashioned revenge would suffice for me.

3fish........no mate, once sentenced you lose all your rights.

Teej, good old fashioned revenge would suffice for me.

An "eye for an eye"; yes?

no mate, once sentenced you lose all your rights.

But prior to that, everyone has the right to an opinion?

Has anyone seen figures on how many innocent people have been executed in the USA as a percentage of the total killed?

Nope, seeing as many of the executed are poor, uneducated, under-represented members of ethnic minorities (mostly black of course), society tends to let the executed ones just fall off the side of the plane where someone might care about what's happened to them.

Have you?

Are you the one that thinks America has a really good judicial and punitive system? I can't really be arsed reading back through the reams of shit ilmg has spouted. So, go on, is it you BH?

justice mate, call it what you like.

Teej, good old fashioned revenge would suffice for me.

Law of the jungle for you ton eh? Would you pull the lever ton? Apply the hangman's knot? Administer the injection? Well, would you? I know you're an all round tough guy, but I wonder where you draw the line on how much of the punishment you'd administer yourself.

I'd wonder more if you'd pull the lever on your son if he'd been irefutably convicted of capital crime.

this thread reminds me of being at comp trying to explain things to the really thick kids.

Not me when it comes to the US justice system, my only mistake was saying about a few slipping through the net.

I ask about figures as it seems most on here have little faith in the UK system.

I do like a tough prison though.

clubber, if you had been kidnapped as a child, then raped by a gang of men, then killed and discarded like a piece of litter, do you think your dad would want the murderers dead?

and if he had wanted them dead, would he be a lesser/worse/THICK man?

my earlier reply explained my view on that exact point. As it goes, that bit wasn't the part I was suggesting was thick.

Well I agree with the OP up to a point , although it is difficult to take seriously somebody with such a poor grasp of the language . If you are going to put somebody in prison for the rest of their life then it's a better and cheaper solution to humanely "remove them from society" . There may be mistakes made but I bet if you do a count up there are more innocent people murdered by murderers who have been released from prison than there are people who would've been wrongly executed .
Doing away with capital punishment and trying to rehabilitate offenders is IMO an experiment that has not worked and at some point in the future things will go full circle.

come on mate answer that bit then.

BenHouldsworth - Member

I do like a tough prison though.

Even though its proven to be counterproductive? ie to increase reoffending rates.

mind you my dad wouldn't have. bloody hippy liberal 😉

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It's only counter productive if you release them

ton - my previous reply

I' d quite possibly want the guilty party dead at
least sometimes. In the mean time.in order to
have what is IMO a safer, better society I' d
rather have that option taken away. Emotive
responses are rarely or even never the best
ones..

BenHouldsworth - Member

It's only counter productive if you release them

so the only sentence is life with a whole life tariff? Nothing else for any crime?