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Sorry for the above rant everyone... I'm just a smidgen vexed at the moment.
to rejoin I suggest a progressive approach. Customs union and free trade area first.
TBh I think this is inevitable, we will rejoin step by step as each **** up becomes to unbearable for the country.
The cons already talking about 'renegotiating the deal', is the first step..
Here is what my plan is Exsee
I am going to fix it by getting my kids Irish passports and voting independence for Scotland as (selfish as it may seem) I am firmly looking after me and my own. I am too old to get any good use from my unicorn (if we are talking 10-20 years) so luckily I have a decent pension and some cash so might just start cashing in on the disaster (well if you can't beat them join them) sorry if it all comes across as a bit harsh but I never wanted any of this and certainly never voted for it so if you are wanting me to pull together for the sake of the UK (and all the mugs that fell for Johnsons lies) then you can count me out.
£7bn a week
thats the trading numbers not the profits IIRC
The cons already talking about ‘renegotiating the deal’, is the first step..
FFS that'll send a great signal to other countries we want to trade with.
"So, this deal we're signing, when do we expect you back 'cos you don't like it?"
hundreds of thousands will be jobless
And when their jobs go, so will others that support them- bit like not realising that shutting pits in the 80s didn't just affect the miners but people in all the businesses that supplied the pits and shops in the villages.
Helping at grass roots? Yeah, you hammered frozen sausages into our lawn and now you're kindly sowing grass seeds. Thank you very much you *********************************
Here is what my plan is Exsee
Mine:
I am going to continue calling out the brexshitters fior the lies and damage they have done at every possible opportunity. I am going to vote for Scots independence and am seriously considering moving to the netherlands to regain my EU citizenship
“So, this deal we’re signing, when do we expect you back ‘cos you don’t like it?”
I have a feeling Barnier already has a timetable in mind and won't need any input from us!
I started my application for special ID card, as a beneficiary of the WA in Belgium. So that's my major change. I'll have a very peculiar status here, which will secure my right to remain but cause hassle when applying for jobs, loans or travelling as the status will be poorly understood.
I've stopped shopping online with UK stores. The local British shops have no stock and have closed until they receive deliveries from Ireland. They used to get Botham's cakes, which was a nice treat as I grew up 100m from their first bakery. I like Belgian treats and the beers, but God I would like a few cakes from Botham's and a titanic plum porter or theakstons OP.
But my problems are small compared to my friends back home. Several have lost jobs, several can't find jobs. People in their thirties moving back with their parents in the middle of the north York moors, when they want to raising kids or travelling or working.
Every employer I've had in the UK before the move has moved technical activities outside the UK. One of them cancelled a big new clothing factory and technical centre in Leeds and moved production from their other factory to an external supplier in Italy. Another moved aerospace service contracts to France, Germany and Singapore. Jobs and investment lost. When they're gon, it's very difficult to get those skills back into the workforce.
Finally, at my work, I really need to work with good competent third-party labs. There are well equipped and well staffed labs, but because of Brexit and delivery issues, I can't ship samples there for testing and consultancy, so it's going to Germany instead. There's the loss of testing fees at the UK labs, but also, rather frustratingly the work required to initiate a collaboration is made now increased. Really boils my pilsner.
Christ.
Former Tory leader Iain Duncan Smith has been given a new role as a government adviser following Brexit.
The Brexiteer rejoins government to become an adviser to Boris Johnson on regulatory reform after the UK departed from the European Union.
He will chair the Taskforce on Innovation, Growth and Regulatory Reform (TIGRR) alongside Theresa Villiers and George Freeman.
In the meantime with £7bn a week (correct me if I’m wrong) in City trade being lost to the EU and all the jobs disappearing the government won’t be able to afford to fund the NHS.
It is actually EUR 6 billion a day, but the net change is less than that because Swiss stock trading can now return to London which should reduce the net loss to 4.5 billion. In terms of job changes, it is not that significant as it is just the location of booking of the trade that changes and obviously the associated exchange fees. Overall the major City firms have increased headcount in the UK since the Brexit vote so there is unlikely to be a major reduction in the tax take. JP Morgan have increased headcount by 2,000.
In regulatory news, the main changes made/suggested so far are a reduction in the reporting threshold for short selling so short sellers have to report sooner and a tightening up of the bank capital rules so software can't be included in core capital.
Bonfire of the insanity's....
allanoleary,
Was that a rant? Sounded to me like a pretty reasoned synopsis.
The pressure is off the government for the meantime owing to their success (which it is) with the vaccine. In 3 months time the news headlines will be dominated by stories of businesses closing due to brexit. They'll ride this one out as well as the leisure and entertainment sectors of the economy will be reopening and the govt will use the associated bump in the economy to disguise the true horror of what's in store by the end of the year. They will characterise it as a recovery when all it is is the nation spending the Summer having one great big party after a year of hibernation. Well all be acting like Frank from 'Shameless' for a few months.
Then the hangover will kick and then as the days get shorter and the nights longer, the Tories will find themselves in the middle of their very own Winter of Discontent.
For those that don't believe any of this, with the advent of news UK and the like you can now choose to consume 'news' that wont report these facts, there is an alternate reality waiting for you where everything will be blamed on covid and gender pronouns.
mefty - totally disingenuous
You do know that the regulatory crunch for London is not actually due for months yet and there is a constant flow of jobs and assetts moving to the EU from London - and this will only accelerate.
Whatever makes you think the Swizz are going to move their banking to London?
it is not that significant as it is just the location of booking of the trade that changes and obviously the associated exchange fees
Which will have to change after the transitional arrangements lapse when all staff and more importantly all the comupter systems for trading in Euros have to be under EU law
the moving of trade to the EU we have already seen is merely the thin end of the wedge.
https://uk.movies.yahoo.com/uk-finance-eu-brexit-equivalence-thecityuk-city-of-london-072730803.html
The bloc granted the UK equivalence in just two areas: central clearing and securities settlement. Both decisions were taken to avoid financial stability issues and were time limited.
The failure to grant equivalence forced many businesses to either stop serving clients in the EU or set up new offices in the bloc that could handle their business. The EU has so far held a hardline against firms that failed to relocated staff and asset ahead of the 1 January Brexit deadline.
“Brexit is a body blow to the London financial center,” Xavier Rolet, former head of London Stock Exchange Group Plc, said in an interview. “I’m very deeply worried that Brexit is going to kill the golden goose and we are already seeing the first signs that this has started to happen.”
With constant sparring between officials on both sides of the Channel, industry executives are pessimistic that talks will lead to an easy solution allowing business to carry on anything like how it did before. The EU has already made clear that it’s in no rush to grant the U.K. access to the bloc and is on a mission to build its own capital markets.
They knew what they were voting for.
there is an alternate reality waiting for you where everything will be blamed on covid and gender pronouns.
On the money.
Brexit benefit you can ride it er multiple ways,you guys always look for the bad things and not the positives.
Go on then, let’s hear the positives, real, actual ones not just things that you’ve been told might happen.
I’m talking donkeys with strap on’s 🙂
I’m also still also patiently awaiting some answer preferably taking less than 10-20 years of a tangible Brexit positive.
What’s ‘YOUR’ plan batman?
We apply to rejoin the EU forthwith.
Job jobbed.
I started my application for special ID card, as a beneficiary of the WA in Belgium. So that’s my major change. I’ll have a very peculiar status here, which will secure my right to remain but cause hassle when applying for jobs, loans or travelling as the status will be poorly understood.
Same here.. i hotfooted it to Spain.
So under the WA I can live and work here ,although I’m really employed still U.K. side I can legally work in Spain if I wished.
But if I wanted to work in Portugal or move there ??, the joy of Brexit in after leaving the UK the stench still follows you.
Of course, I’ve worked and lived in a few of the places I admire, and they aren’t without issues. However, the fundamental concept of society is different, and whilst the execution of ideas may not be ideal, the will to give money for the common good generally is. This is a huge issue for me.
Are you describing Scotland?
The last time the Tories got the most votes in Scotland, Anthony Eden was the PM, and you'd have to be 83 y/o now to have voted for him.
Oh, and our plan is pretty much like the others who live in Scotland. Scottish independence.
Worse case, if we have to as it gets that bad is sell up and move to Portugal.
P.S. If we just rejoined the EU and forgot about the last 5 years of stupidity I would waive my request to have Brexiteers paraded down the street in big pointy hats whilst being pelted with rancid tomatoes.
Give and take and all that.👍
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Of course its not just financial services moving out of the UK
Some 500 British companies are currently in various levels of talks with the Dutch foreign investment agency NFIA about moving some operations to the Netherlands, a spokesman has confirmed to DutchNews.nl. The list includes companies with serious intentions as well as firms which are orientating themselves about a move to the EU and are in talks with other countries as well, the NFIA said.
Left wingjust not dickhead STW members plan to leave UK
FTFY
It would be a very interesting dynamic if Scotland did get full independence and rejoined the EU.
I wonder how many Scottish Leave voters would move south to England to bathe in the Brexit Benefits.....
I reckon the logistics operation would be limited to a question of 'one people carrier or two?'
And that would depend on how much luggage they were taking. 😅
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Yep I’ll pop down to Monaco in the Grenadier to have a laugh with all the Pro Brexit backers.
Screwing your country doesn’t mean you have to live in/with it.
I do wonder how many er other actors bunged a few quid to vote leave, there’s got to be some happy EU companies out there who’ve stymied their U.K. competition for a (pittance)donation 🙂
Left wing STW members plan to leave UK
Remainers leaving the UK also ensures that there is going to be a brain drain element to this too.
In fact the whole fiasco was and continues to be a very ‘successful’ trolling.
‘If you don’t like it you can leave. Then I win’
‘You just took away my passport/EU citizenship. You just made it 1000x more difficult/unlikely to be able to leave. So unless I’m rich and well-connected then I have no realistic choice but to stay’
‘I still win’
‘How’s that?’
‘Because ya-boo haha loser trollololol etc’
I do wonder how many er other actors bunged a few quid to vote leave, there’s got to be some happy EU companies out there who’ve stymied their U.K. competition for a (pittance)donation
I call it 'Stupidity Mining'.
As natural resources run out there needs to be a replacement for companies or individuals or nations to utilise for their own advantage.
Luckily it seems like there is a huge reservoir of stupidity out there and, here is the key, it isn't evenly distributed. Figure out how to tap it where it is prevalent and you're onto a winner. Just ask Dominic Cummings.
Remainers leaving the UK also ensures that there is going to be a brain drain element to this too.
No, it's Leavers that have all the brains... Oh, wait..
Worse case, if we have to as it gets that bad is sell up and move to Portugal.
Hmm your weather vs Portugal do you really need it to get bad before moving 😉
Yep I’ll pop down to Monaco in the Grenadier to have a laugh with all the Pro Brexit backers.
Screwing your country doesn’t mean you have to live in/with it.
And there's the joke that 'Man in The Street' Brexiteer missed (utterly predictably). The main forces driving the Leave campaign won't have to live with the consequences. As soon as they've pocketed another fortune - this time as a direct result of the shock they themselves caused - they'll be off abroad.
Whichever way you look at it the joke was always on the useful idiots.
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Isn't that all a little Douglas Adams and Golgafrincham Ark Fleet Ship B?
Which went well, from memory.
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The rich ones that is 🙂
Only 4.5 Billion Mefty, I'll look down the back of the sofa for that? It's such a small sum it should be easy to find.
Do you actually read and think about what you're spouting?
Sanwich - as far as I remember that number is the total amount of trade - not the profits so actual losses to the UK are only a small % of that
But mefty does put a hopelessly optimistic spin on this. Remember the main regulatory crunch has not happened yet in financial services and its just one way traffic that is going to continue
And IMO the reason why Johnson and his cronies did not even ask for financial services to be included is they do not want the regulation that is needed for the EU to consider equivalence let alone passporting as they want London to become a money laundering / tax avoidence centre even more than it is and EU equivalence regulation would prevent this
I don't think it's just your opinion.
I don’t think it’s just your opinion.
It most certainly isn't just TJ's opinion.
Where did much of the dodgy money behind Leave come from?
Where does the Tory party get a fair wedge of large donations from?
A clue, it rhymes with 'usher'.
As with Woodward and Bernstein - follow the money.
The rich ones that is 🙂
Well it will be now, I took advantage before the window of opportunity was slammed into my face.
I think you only had to prove a income of roughly 600-900ish euros a month for a family for residency, 3rd country status puts that 4-5 x more nowadays.
It’s what really irks me that it’s going to be only the rich that get to arse about like they always have, when you could actually have a mooch around here without a fat wad.
Where did much of the dodgy money behind Leave come from?
Aaron Banks.
Luckily it seems like there is a huge reservoir of stupidity out there and, here is the key, it isn’t evenly distributed.
Fossil fools?
It’s what really irks me that it’s going to be only the rich that get to arse about like they always have, when you could actually have a mooch around here without a fat wad.
At some point, will people come to realise that the "elite" are exempt from the restrictions we've put on ourselves, and our children? Will that penny ever drop? Not sure it will. Auf wiedersehen, pet.
Aaron Banks.
And where did he get it from?
^ I think this will be a rather exciting movie in 10 years 🙂
That's a very good question. Putin? I've no idea, it never occurred to me to look.
Only 4.5 Billion Mefty, I’ll look down the back of the sofa for that? It’s such a small sum it should be easy to find.
Do you actually read and think about what you’re spouting?
Won't that put a dent in the £350m a week that the NHS will be getting?
I'm sure Cummings, Banks, Farage, Johnson wouldn't lie, so there must have been a mistake, right?
Useful.....
Idiots.
That’s a very good question. Putin? I’ve no idea, it never occurred to me to look.
I think not bothering to look is a ‘thing’ going by that U.K. Russia Report.
Holy shit, I was right?
Yes. I'm amazed too.
Who'd have thunk it......
Dodgy Russian money.
Luckily dodgy Russian oligarchs have a strong sense of 'doing the right thing' so we can all be relieved that they paid for Brexit for altruistic reasons....
Or 52% of the people who voted were 'had'.....?
But that can't be right either, because they keep assuring me that they knew what they were voting for.
Very confusing.
I know a couple of Scottish leave voters who would vote against independence if it meant rejoining the EU. Fishing and sovereignty blah blah blah.
And where did he get it from?
The multi million dollar question.
And then there is the Elliots and Mercer... $$$$$
I'm far more worried about how right wing USA interests put so much money and effort into convincing little old UK to stand alone than I am about the transparent benefits to Putin of our self own.
Fishing and sovereignty blah blah blah.
Fishing? Still? Hmm...
I know a couple of Scottish leave voters who would vote against independence if it meant rejoining the EU. Fishing and sovereignty blah blah blah.
I know more than a couple of people who voted to stay in 2014 who would now vote leave just because the are fed up with being governed by Westminster (taking EU completely out the equation). Try and bear in mind that a very high % of Scots have absolutely no trust in the Tories.
I know a couple of Scottish leave voters who would vote against independence if it meant rejoining the EU. Fishing and sovereignty blah blah blah.
But would they actually put their money where their (loud) mouths are and move to England if Scotland gained independence and rejoined the EU?
I doubt it as they're most likely full of shit.
A copy of the presentation, first published by the Russian website Tsur, is understood to have been circulated to a number of people, including Banks. He ultimately did not invest.
Ha ha ha ha.
And you believe it!
QED.
It’s printed in your left wing rag so it must be true 🤣
It’s printed in your left wing rag so it must be true
More likely to be true than a pack of lies you would swallow whole.
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The best thing about this is that you assume I must be 'left wing'. By most rationales I would be 'centre' or 'centre right'. Brexit is Far Right*
*Well, it is when it is sold to the gullible. For its proponents it is a cashing in exercise - be it financial, political or (most likely) both.
The problem with left/right is that is that the centre has moved, it ain't all that central any more. "Just right of centre" these days is about where we'd put Goering.
The problem with left/right is that is that the centre has moved, it ain’t all that central any more. “Just right of centre” these days is about where we’d put Goering.
Agreed. Remain vs Leave Leave isn't about 'left' vs 'right' as I would define them. It is more like 'foaming at the mouth, chewing the carpet nationalist nut jobbery' vs 'everyone else'. The shock to me was just how many people in this country could just pop along to a polling booth and empower a political movement that should be regarded as 'do not touch with a barge pole'.
Again, though, it must be said that the 'foaming at the mouth nationalist nut jobbery' was only really the vehicle that the real drivers used to get their heist over the line. The financial drivers don't give a shit what the politics are so long as they make money from it. The likes of Johnson et al are just political opportunists who can ride the tide for their own advancement politically (and later financially too).
The worrying question is what comes next. Now racism and xenophobia are legitimised. Add in the economic impact on the 99% and......
The likes of Johnson et al are just political opportunists who can ride the tide for their own advancement politically (and later financially too).
You could say the same of Tony Blair.
You could say the same of Tony Blair.
Could and probably would.
I am not constrained by an ideology.
Although it must be said, icky and a bit naff as it was, I'd jump at Blair's Cool Britannia meets slick(ish) PR machine approach nowadays. At least it presupposed a certain amount of respectability was needed.
Instead we have Alexander Boris De Pfeffel Johnson (Man of the People) wrapping himself in union jacks, pretending to be a patriot, dropping incongruous Latin titbits in every now and again and occasionally alluding back to thinly veiled racist comments he made previously - for the sole purpose of appealing to pillocks. Pillocks who he wouldn't give the time of day to unless they were the target audience for his rickety little panto act.
You could say the same of Tony Blair.
Ah, the old "but the other boys were doing it too!" defence, straight out of the old Pfeffel "avoid/deny all responsibility" playbook. I'd take a thousand Blairs over number 10's current bag of mince incumbent.
But Tony would have done it so much better....
Boris is exactly what the Nationalist masses want, bit thick, bit of a dick, thinks he is clever, serial shagger, drink problem, cant comb his hair or dress himself- you could slip him into a wetherspoons seamlessly.
Him and Father Jack (Tim Spoons) two cheeks of the same spotty arse.
Time for a Beer...
Boris is exactly what the Nationalist masses want, bit thick, bit of a dick, thinks he is clever, serial shagger, drink problem, cant comb his hair or dress himself- you could slip him into a wetherspoons seamlessly.
Him and Father Jack (Tim Spoons) two cheeks of the same spotty arse.
Precisely.
If you look at Johnson's political success in getting to be PM and you don't think "**** me, this really is a sad indictment of the intellect of the population at large", then you are probably part of the problem.
Agreed on the beer front. Nice bike ride in the morning too. Time to forget about Captain Plonker and his support cast of millions of Mini-Me's and relax......
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****ing right!
I've liquidated my commercial property portfolio nest egg and cleared the mortgage, have an EU passport via Irish wife and work in a technical arena. I could literally walk away leaving this dog shit and Costa litter strewn shithole to the Sun and red top reading mong's that voted Brexit.
**** right!
I’ve liquidated my commercial property portfolio nest egg and cleared the mortgage, have an EU passport via Irish wife and work in a technical arena. I could literally walk away leaving this dog shit and Costa litter strewn shithole to the Sun and red top reading mong’s that voted Brexit.Well done you!
The word Mong is seen as pretty offensive these days.
Ah faux outrage from the far right fanboi....
Predictable stuff.
Back again?
Back on topic. Brexit was voted for by the Left and the Right. I can’t take all the credit!
Back on topic.
Well done you!
......except that MrsRNP set up a community group to help feed people falling through the Brexit/Covid/Tory lack of safety net so I guess we're here awhile longer.
Did someone mention Tim from 'Spoons?
Smartened himself up a bit for that pic.
Back on topic. Brexit was voted for by the Left and the Right. I can’t take all the credit!
We've already established that whilst it was a predominantly far right campaign the twin threads of racist/xenophobia and stupidity were to the fore.
It seems an odd thing to want to take credit for, but if that's your bag, you knock yerself out fella. You were the target audience it would seem.
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It’s printed in your left wing rag so it must be true 🤣
It must really hurt the leave voters to know that their vote was the biggest gift Putin could've asked for
They were easily conned
https://twitter.com/PeterKGeoghegan/status/1362818724399562759?s=19