First words in the MoS front page 'boris johnson has seized personal control...' should strike terror in the UK and be a source of both joy and amusement in the EU.
First words in the MoS front page ‘boris johnson has seized personal control…’ should strike terror in the UK and be a source of both joy and amusement in the EU.
Let's face it, we are a laughing stock being led by an international joke. Everyone else sees us as such, but as with all these things it is much more entertaining when the butt of the joke is still taking themselves seriously.
What a ridiculous little pantomime act we have become.
At some point you just have to accept that a whole lot of stupid people (encouraged by a lot of dishonest people) shat the bed, and try to make the best of it.
Kryton57
Full Member
Sky News just breaking that Johnson and Ursula Von der Leyen have agreed that negotiations will go on after today to try and get it sorted be fore Jan 1.A glimmer of a deal?
Posted 3 hours ago
REPLY | REPORT
You have just made my Sunday K57.Been avoiding media so I don't see rugby scores.
try and get it sorted before Jan 1
So, if they’re successful, we can prepare and test our systems for 2021 arrangements on… 1st Jan?
Pantomime indeed
The news websites dutifully running with this staged shoyt of Johnson, hair mussed up, collar open, fake phone call...
Hes working his arse off to get us a great sovereign red white & blue deal, staring down the EU & winning!!
What legendary patriot he is
^ Nope, if anything I am more openly vocal about calling the Brexit ****wits exactly what I think of them now.
It’s all just a big game.
Except no-one really wins anything.
Everyone kicks the Brexit can down the road for 5 years, and then the Germans win.
Deregulation is what this whole thing is all about.
Ignore absolutely everything else. It’s just noise. £350 million for the NHS, fishing rights, Sovereignty… forget all of it. Its irrelevent. all just white noise. All distractions and red herrings
The only thing the Brexiteers care about is freeing the UK from EU regulation. This is so they can then jettison EU standards on workers’ rights, environmental controls, food standards etc, etc, etc
They will then set up the UK as a sweatshop tax haven off the coast of mainland Europe, undercutting their costs. They want an end to anything that puts any restrictions at all on ‘the market’. Complete wild west deregulation. A Singapore on Thames.
The EU knows this full well. They know exactly what Boris and chums are planning on doing. And they’re not having it. Why would they?
This is why this is completely irreconcilable. The EU insists on regulatory alignment and will not budge on that. Not an inch. It is an absolute red line
But the only reason the UK government are doing this is to end regulatory alignment for good and allow them to diverge in the most dramatic way imaginable in a race to the bottom. Otherwise, why bother?
That is why from the 24th June 2016, the only possible outcome was No Deal. Any ‘negotiations’ have just been a charade.
All this now is just delaying the inevitable. No deal is the only way this can end. A completely acrimonious rupture ushering in an era of incredibly hostile and aggressive undercutting of the rest of the EU by the UK as it tears up the regulations
This will all be to the enormous detriment of the vast majority of people in this country, but massively profitable for the tiny minority of the usual suspects who have funded all this and are now impatiently awaiting their big payday where they get to end the ‘post-war settlement’ once and for all
Damnably well written Binners.
All posturing to try to avoid the blame. The EU side read the big sign saying "trap" months ago and thus they will not be the ones to break off talks
frankconway
Full MemberFirst words in the MoS front page ‘boris johnson has seized personal control…’
Ah, the long awaited return of The Theresa May Maneuvre.
"You know that thing I already had full personal responsibility for?"
"The thing that you make all the key decisions, decide the resourcing, the important personnel, and policy direction?"
"Yes that thing"
"The thing that's been a complete disaster mostly because of the decisions you've made yourself and inflicted on other people"
"Er, yes, that thing"
"What about it"
"I'm taking personal control of it"
In that photo Johnson is actually on the phone to 'Sergei', a nice chap Dom Cum put him in contact with. He's asking him very nicely if he'll hang around at Biggin Hill, engines running, on 1/2/3 Jan when he's just flown in again with a wave through from the 'elite' customs officials. Just in case.
https://thecritic.co.uk/my-brexit-hell/
This is very good. A summary of the past 5 years from a journalist covering every step of it.
^ Nope, if anything I am more openly vocal about calling the Brexit **** exactly what I think of them now.
A bit of piss taking occasionally for the sport, but it's not really worth it.
It feels a bit like looking a spoiled brat in the eye after they've just smashed up all their other toys in a tantrum because they didn't get the extra special limited edition spiderman action figure.
The appropriate response is a shrug, say "that was stupid, wasn't it?" and leave them to it.
Today’s developments. This is what passes for Johnson ‘straining every sinew’ to get a deal.
To summarise:
“Hi Ursula, do you think.... aaaaaaahm... I could ... aaaah.... erm.... have a word with Angela? Is she.... aaaaam... there? Could you put her on? No? She doesn’t.... aaaaaahm.... want to speak to me. Asaaaahm ok”
The lazy, useless, lying, corrupt **** has given up even pretending that he’s trying to get a deal
No deal is absolutely nailed on now. Get stockpiling folks. It’s going to be an ‘interesting’ new year
The appropriate response is a shrug, say “that was stupid, wasn’t it?” and leave them to it.
That’s fine, but they’ve also smashed up your kids’ toys… and worse still, have made it plain that if you get your children more toys, they’ll smash them up as well… I mean… there really is nothing stopping them doing so, is there? And, you’ll have to listen to them telling you that having no toys is good for your offspring… it’ll “give them creative opportunities to make things better”, in a world without toys to distract them.
Good to see some fellow ranters here again👍
The know-it-alls are so easy to spot, desperately trying to avoid any responsibility, blaming the little people just like Boris, looking after themselves just like Boris.
You'll get the usual drivel about rich people getting richer and poor people getting poorer but it only bothers them when their own little bubble is in danger.
We need something to pop the know-it-alls bubble, wake them up a bit, face up to what they've created and get them back involved in society.
More of the same will just see them slip back off to plump up the bank account. 😩
A nice collection of “know-it-alls” here… they know what Brexit is all about, for sure…
https://bylinetimes.com/2020/12/09/brexiters-fled-britain/
https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2018/10/11/fishing-quota-uk-defra-michael-gove/
I have no ides why they are trying to protect the fish
Around 29% of UK fishing quota is directly controlled by Rich List families. Some of these families have investments in dozens of other fishing companies, meaning companies holding 37% of UK quota are wholly or partly owned by these Rich List families.
Rich List - Sunday Times Rich list of Britain's wealthiest
That's it Kevin, let it all out👍
I shout out to world every now and then, helps to reset sometimes. Aaaaarrrggghh
The “know-it-alls” seem to have stopped banging on about how GATT XXIV means that frictionless trade has to continue in the event of no deal… remember that? How the status quo just continues ‘till we get a deal, and the EU can’t do anything to change that? That was a fun bit of knowledge shoved down our throats for about 18 months.
Exsee is a dreadful troll as no-one knows what he's on about and it's very half hearted. I'd he was at least dedicated and unhinged I might pay a bit more attention but meh!
So when do we reckon Boris pops out and says we tried but unfortunately we have no deal, then blames it on the EU.
Therepeutic, isn't it👍
Sometimes it can be addictive so don't overdo it better to take a break.
We can rant again tomorrow👍
So when do we reckon Boris pops out and says we tried but unfortunately we have no deal, then blames it on the EU.
80% probability that is exactly what happens. Probably just after Christmas, when MPs are utterly powerless, and the public uninterested.
I reckon there is still a 10% chance of a bare bones deal this month, with 10 year tapering down on fishing rights, and reciprocative tariff action against lowering of standards limited to same top level TARIC codes (so no retribution in different sectors) for the same period.
10% chance of a fudge that keeps goods moving tariff free in both directions while the “final details” are ironed out and implemented Q1 2021. USA would complain, but WTO would push any process into the long grass ‘till the POTUS changes to a sane one.
Today’s developments. This is what passes for Johnson ‘straining every sinew’ to get a deal.
To summarise:
“Hi Ursula, do you think…. aaaaaaahm… I could … aaaah…. erm…. have a word with Angela? Is she…. aaaaam… there? Could you put her on? No? She doesn’t…. aaaaaahm…. want to speak to me. Asaaaahm ok”
The lazy, useless, lying, corrupt **** has given up even pretending that he’s trying to get a deal
No deal is absolutely nailed on now. Get stockpiling folks. It’s going to be an ‘interesting’ new year
Now you see, this is the kind of bullshit your being accused of binners. You don’t know that’s how the conversation went and then you ignore the six months border control amnesty and start to alarm people.
Get a grip. You’re intelligent enough to actually help people through this but your so selfishly focused on your own politics you’ve become an alarmist troll.
Oh yeah, let’s not “alarm people” about our trading routes being bottlenecked as a result of a no deal January… FFS.
Think about Kelvin. Yes we should be concerned, but the principle of a bottleneck -if you go bother to go and have a read - isn’t until July 1st. There’s six months to sort out border control. Advising people to “stock up” is only going to shaft others. You think that or creating a panic around a Jan 1 date a good thing?
Rage all you want, but at least consider others when you posting / discussing these issues.
No, you utterly misunderstand what that freight and container port issues are in the result of no deal… the government delaying their checks ‘till July reduces but isn’t even close to removing bottlenecks, and the effects of them.
And Binners’ jokey recount of the dinner chat perfectly described the naivety of Johnson and his team. He has to negotiate with the EU, which they do jointly, not individually and directly. I have no idea why you are being so disparaging of his post… it utterly lacks reverence yet gets the point across well.
Fyi
January 2021: Full declarations will be required for controlled goods (e.g. excise goods like tobacco and alcohol).
For standard goods (most goods), simplified customs requirements will be in place from January. Traders will have to keep sufficient records of their imports, but will be able to defer full customs declarations until 1 July 2021 (although they may submit customs declarations before if they wish).
July 2021: Full customs declarations will need to be made at the time of import for all goods. Some traders may be eligible for simplified declaration procedures.
and from the same source:
<i>The introduction of new border checks could cause significant disruption at the GB–EU border from January. The UK government’s reasonable worst case scenario planning assumption is that between 40–70% of lorries will not be ready for new border formalities (30–50% at the short channel crossings at Dover and Eurotunnel), potentially reducing flow to <b>60–80%</b> of normal levels, with disruption expected to last at least 3 months</i>
So not none, but less. There’s a difference .
I’m ‘alarmist’? Christ on a bendybus it’s difficult to be one of those at the moment, given the scale of the shitstorm that’s literally just round the corner
Here you go then....
Can you just check this statement put out from number 10 this afternoon. See if your interpretation of it differs from mine?
https://twitter.com/borisjohnson/status/1338126986070331392?s=21
He basically tried to bypass the EU to try the same stunt that they’ve tried and failed to pull for the last 4 years
What’s your take on this then? It’s the usual rambling incoherent blather and bullshit that is his calling card with an offer, which the EU knocked back (yet again!) to try and ‘talk to other capitals’
It’s pathetic, and it’s embarrassing. it wreaks of desperation, and it’s just going to lead to the inevitable no deal
It’s not scaremongering to state the bleeding obvious
You’re not telling me anything I don’t know. In a no deal scenario, there will be bottlenecks at both ROLO and container ports in January.
kryton - and thats only inward to the UK not from the UK IIRC
It’s not scaremongering to state the bleeding obvious
That despite these issue and a raging pandemic that we should stockpile. If it’s not scaremongering it’s at least downright irresponsible.
I’ll ask again...
Can I have your take on that then?
Do you have a different take on it to me? The remotest cause for any shred of optimism?
it’s at least downright irresponsible
So was voting to blow our own foot clean off, so ho to the hum.
I'm in it for me and mine now. It's every man for himself.
Can I have your take on that then?
Despite the idiot in the video, the EU are still willing to talk to us, they also have a lot to worry about, and the UK might be a little more prepared than you allude - we hope. People are doing stuff to prepare, not sitting around doing sod all. Why not take your Boris bashing hat off and be a bit more glass half full?
Again, insinuating people need to stockpile which you’ve not denied and are trying to avoid commenting on remains irresponsible. You admitted yourself previously you’re purple with rage (or words to that effect) why not calm yourself and post some helpful content. It’s clear we are heading for an uncomfortable time yet we don’t need outbursts like that to drag us down further.
Frankly I’m quite bored of reading what your posting, it’s neither helpful nor informative - hence my trolling comment. But, you can change that should you choose to.
That despite these issue and a raging pandemic that we should stockpile. If it’s not scaremongering it’s at least downright irresponsible.
Yes, you're right. It's binner's ****ing fault that it's all going to shite. How dare he call out these hard working dedicated far thinking individuals who are taking our magnificent country forward on the next stage of its magnificent journey to reclaim its rightful position at the head of the world.
God save the Queen.
People are doing stuff to prepare, not sitting around doing sod all.
Yes, we know. And that’s why ports are already struggling, as orders were moved forward to try and avoid January. It’s been a mess since early November, with congestion surcharges applied by carriers, and containers from outside the EU redirected to ports on the continent, so that ships can get on with their routes, rather than waiting off the coast of the UK. And that backlog needs to be brought over to the UK at some point as well… and… well… so on and so on…
Again, insinuating people need to stockpile which you’ve not denied and are trying to avoid commenting on remains irresponsible.
We’ve only stockpiled insulin, but then we can afford price rises and reduced options in our shop early next year. Others might want to get some extra of the cheaper stables in their cupboards this month, rather than pay more next month when there are shortages. And I said when not if… the scale of the problem will depend on whether we get a deal or not, but there will be (further) bottlenecks and supply chain issues in January now, no matter what.
Yes, you’re right. It’s binner’s **** fault that it’s all going to shite.
Your misquoting me and you know it, don’t lie, I didn’t say that.
God save the Queen.
Apparently if you shout it five times in a heartfelt manner whilst waving a flag of St George then everything will be fine.
The Covid hoarding threads were quite amusing. Those who were/are holding a few months' worth of prescription medication for otherwise life threatening or debilitating illness have my sympathy.
the UK might be a little more prepared than you allude
But there is a very strong possibility that the UK is woefully unprepared.
Here's the view from the British Chambers of Commerce - and any right thinking person would believe them over johnson, gove or any of the others in govt.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/13/businesses-need-detailed-answers-on-brexit-not-vague-letters-or-tv-ads
Why not take your Boris bashing hat off and be a bit more glass half full?
oh you can * right off with that!
Why the * should I?!
I didn’t vote for this shit!
Do you hear that? Do you know what that noise is? That’s the sound of 350 million chickens coming home to roost
So you can take your glass half full bollocks and sell it the gullible half-wits who voted for that *ing clown and all this *ing madness
Me? I’ll be preparing for the worse-case scenario that these populist nationalist idiots have been charging towards for the last 4 years
You can be as ‘glass half full’ as you like
I’m not that stupid!
Why not take your Boris bashing hat off and be a bit more glass half full?
Yeah, let's let them off the hook.
What next? The 'it is nearly Christmas' card?
