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"The amusing thing about the vaccine “fumble” is that the UK is spinning it as an EU failure."
Is that what the Americans are doing as well? I looked to CNN for a neutral perspective on the issue and they seemed to see it as an EU and not a UK failure and CNN haven't exactly been Brexit cheerleaders.
51st state, Inkster.
Wasn't the EU's failure AZ's inability to deliver what they contracted to deliver?
The EU's failure was the way in which they hastily invoked the Irish border get out clause. This could be the reason CNN saw it the way they did rather than and 51st State analogy.
The EU took a contractual issue and made it into a political one.
You seem to have missed that the result of the political strop was AZ promising 9 million extra doses for the first quarter, Inkster, taking the Q1 total to 40. The Art 16 move had the desired result.
I read it in les Echos, I don't know if CNN reported that.
It always looked like brinkmanship and arse covering from. VDL
It may well have been effective in getting some more doses from. AZ, tho im sure they were doing what they could anyway , but certainly not the commissions finest hour, not least for giving Johnson the moral high ground!
I thought VDLs interview was surprisingly honest, admittig to mistakes, in a way you would never see Johnson do!
I thought VDLs interview was surprisingly honest, admittig to mistakes, in a way you would never see Johnson do!
Yes, but when you have got to where you have in life by bullshitting then you can't afford to let the mask slip in front of your dupes. Von Der Leyen is a fundamentally capable and competent political individual. Johnson is an actor, a bluffer and a liar.
Brexit effect: No custard creams for Brits in Europe
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/business-55985956
From the BBC report about renaming fish to make them more palatable to the British & I just couldn't ignore this
Paul Trebilcock from the CFPO said: "There is something about the names that has negative connotations."
Nobody ever took the wee wee wee.
Not just fishies and piggies - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55997641
Von Der Leyen fundamentally capable?
Failed miserably in her previous role at defence. They couldn’t wait to get shot of her so the safest place was head of the commission. What could possibly go wrong.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-meat-exports-idUSKBN2A91XC
British meat processors are registering businesses in the European Union in order to bypass post-Brexit export delays, with flows just 50% of normal levels and costs soaring, the British Meat Processors Association (BMPA) said on Tuesday.
The move means Britain is losing jobs, the industry group warned, as delays caused by customs checks at the border have all but halted small lorry loads of mixed meat products heading to the EU and Northern Ireland.
Paul Trebilcock from the CFPO said: “There is something about the names that has negative connotations.”
Three’s a crowd!
Sincerely,
Augustin Quadpollocks
Hmm spitfire and chips please.
I remember this being tried years ago, I don’t think it’s the name we just don’t like em.
You leave Spitfire and chips out of this.
Its an Ale that goes well with a bag of chips after a day on the hill!
I reckon there’s some crackers in the works in the subtle transition from member to a 3rd country.
In Spain there’s no automatic recognition of Australian driving licences so if an Australian goes go for residency they have to take a driving test, if they wish to drive.
We now also belong to that club unless some ‘arrangement’ is made 🙁
Then recognition of qualifications well that’s another world of pain.
Course people attempting to leave the greater U.K. Reich should be penalised.
Failed miserably in her previous role at defence.
inbred4565 I reckon you're going to need to qualify this statement as while it looks like there was a procurement issue (link below) I'm struggling to find any evidence that she "failed miserably".
Indeed this article while highlighting procurement indicates that the defence dept was in a state when she took over and it doesn't criticise her other then in the specific area.
https://www.politico.eu/article/the-scandal-hanging-over-ursula-von-der-leyen/
What have you seen?
What have you seen?
Something on Facebook, I suspect.
What have you seen?
Big article in Der Spiegel recently
This is a fun read.
https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/the-digby-jones-index
No, wait, not fun, the other one.
"The Digby-Jones index came from an article written in October 2020 which proved extremely popular, but has now developed into a permanent feature on Yorkshire Bylines.
This is not just about providing an accurate list of jobs being lost, although we are trying to report faithfully the impact of Brexit, it’s about the lives disrupted and in some cases ruined by the reckless folly of men like Digby Jones, who in 2016 reassured people that a vote to leave the EU would not result in a single job in Britain being lost. He could have had no idea if this was true or not, but as we have seen over the last four years, companies are clearly moving out of the UK and into the EU to protect themselves against Brexit."
Digby-Jones index
Anyone in their 50's and above will remember the early-mid 80's and the daily "jobs lost" in the news bulletin.
Not sure if this is where the classic Irish joke came from:
Irishman - I'm moving to Jeopardy ?
Friend - Why?
Irishman - they've just reported there's a 1,000 jobs in Jeopardy!
Hilarious.
Have to update it to "Englishman", apparently. Listening to Irish politicians interviewed makes me jealous of the grown-up aproach they seem to have.
Irony is now officially dead. Arch Brexiteer Kate Hoey is now bemoaning the impact of Brexit on the economy of Northern Ireland.
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1359422280238047237?s=20
The latest article that I can see mentioning her is from 13/01/2021 in the Belfast Telegraph. Is this a case of Sky being slow to report?
I thought that N.I. trade issues were in the process of being sorted? At least, there haven't been any mention of "huge delays" on the news for a couple of weeks now.
I thought that N.I. trade issues were in the process of being sorted? At least, there haven’t been any mention of “huge delays” on the news for a couple of weeks now.
There's no date on that 'linky' article but it looks to be a month old. The embedded Tweet is dated 7th of January and the article quotes business talking about expecting deliveries later in January.
Wasn't it only a week ago gove was over there somewhat baffled at how complicated things seemed to have become?
Bumps in the road...
I'm sure all these teething problems will vanish once the extra procedures etc come into play in April and July.
The cognitive dissonance presently on display from the Brexiteer cheerleaders really is something to behold, isn't it?
There’s no date on that ‘linky’ article but it looks to be a month old. The embedded Tweet is dated 7th of January and the article quotes business talking about expecting deliveries later in January.
Binners' sky quote was out of date then, and needlessly posted.
I thought that N.I. trade issues were in the process of being sorted?
Politicians saying they're going to sort it, and it actually being sorted are very different things.
Politicians saying they’re going to sort it, and it actually being sorted are very different things.
As I understand it, the main issue, which was around groupage has had solutions put in place, there has been no recent reporting by BBC etc. on the issue. The month old article posted in "linky" were business issues which were being dealt with by the companies listed in the article.
there has been no recent reporting by BBC etc
Oh, must all be sorted then, if the media aren't talking about it.
Or...
Its from this morning
Here she is again...
https://twitter.com/CatharineHoey/status/1357039420512305152?s=20
The woman who confidently assured everyone that Northern Ireland would prosper after Brexit during the referendum campaign, then suggested the GFA should be scrapped is now saying that the Northern Ireland Protocol should be scrapped
Just yet another example of the back-of-a-fag-packet nature of the final Brexit deal, that the people who campaigned for it are presently trying to disown
She seems to be advocating David Davis's 'erm... something, something... technology' magic border
Yeah.
https://twitter.com/CatharineHoey/status/1359438058974806019
Best make a start on that wall, then.
She's also retweeting posts arguing against Pob's extension suggestion.
As I understand it, the main issue, which was around groupage has had solutions put in place, there has been no recent reporting by BBC etc. on the issue. The month old article posted in “linky” were business issues which were being dealt with by the companies listed in the article.
Yes, retailers in NI are getting products from the EU rather than GB.
But... but... during the referendum campaign Kate said all this would be brilliant
https://twitter.com/_marwal/status/1359541763170525189?s=20
Brexiteers really are blinkered and stupid aren't they.
Apart from the profiteers.
Im sorry but Kate Hoey is and always has been a closet right wing fundamentalist.
Basically a mad cat lady. She has click bait value hence the press giving her space.
https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson_MP/status/1359551899406651392
https://twitter.com/Brexit/status/1359165212256010243
just another arsonist blaming the fire brigade.
There’s no date on that ‘linky’ article but it looks to be a month old.
It's lockdown madness, I still think we're in January
just another arsonist blaming the fire brigade
I’d steal that… if the new people running the fire brigade hadn’t been spraying all the lighter fuel around themselves.
I think the Brexit Fire Brigade is modelled on the one from Fahrenheit 451
James Forsyth in the Spectator:
Thats absolutely mental!
The UK government are considering legal action to force UK companies to continue providing services that the actions of the UK government have now rendered unprofitable?
Thats Brexit logic for you
I can't understand how the government can't just provide a rebate of extra costs incurred to ship to N.I.
Is this not simple.
Value of sales to N.I - extra average % cost = rebate
Edit, I suppose the question is who pays for it?
Free trade, the market finds its own level, can’t justify the government subsidising unprofitable stuff, as per the miners etc. As I understand it some companies already charge extra to shop to the Highlands and Islands , this is just the cost of Brexit. NI voted for it, they can chew on it. (Obviously NI didn’t vote for it or Brexit in any shape, but the DUP are mad for it so suck it up Arlene)
I can’t understand how the government can’t just provide a rebate of extra costs incurred to ship to N.I.
Is this not simple.
Value of sales to N.I – extra average % cost = rebate
Brilliant solution! Another triumph of Brexiteer logic!
Add another level of bureaucracy to process the rebates, then the taxpayer will have to provide a subsidy to private companies to compensate them for the costs they've now incurred by an act of utterly pointless stupidity that has no tangible benefits?
Anything else we should be subsidising, while we're at it? Any more pointless red tape you'd like to add in to the mix?
The UK government are considering legal action to force UK companies to continue providing services that the actions of the UK government have now rendered unprofitable?
Well. I'm in favour of that. It might mean we no longer get companies refusing to deal with us here in the Scottish Highlands.
I can’t understand how the government can’t just provide a rebate of extra costs incurred to ship to N.I.
Perhaps they could do that for all shipments into the Single Market. I think we've found the answer to making postBrexit trade work! Good job the communists didn't get in, eh.
Brilliant solution! Another triumph of Brexiteer logic!
Add another level of bureaucracy to process the rebates, then the taxpayer will have to provide a subsidy to private companies to compensate them for the costs they’ve now incurred by an act of utterly pointless stupidity that has no tangible benefits?
Anything else we should be subsidising, while we’re at it? Any more pointless red tape you’d like to add in to the mix?
Sorry what?
That's where we are, its an issue we have to deal with now.
Are we still harking back and bemoaning what we've lost or are we moving on?
How would you solve it Binners? Or do you deny that its an issue that needs solving?
How could they make companies sell to Northern Ireland (what is classed as a big company, what % of products sold on mainland would need to be sold in NI). I mean if tesco had say 12 shops in NI and they were not profitable then they would reduce as much as they could the amount of shops/ produce they sent there. Typical of this government come up with some half arsed idea that will probably create more problems than it solves.
It’s actually quite funny how hypocritical Arlene is “ it is important that they realise that part of the United Kingdom is being treated differently” it suits her just fine when it’s political divergence from the UK on women’s rights, same sex rights etc, basically anything against the dinosaur-disbelievers creed.
Its not just about the cost, it's the time consuming red tape and not having the staff to do it
How would you solve it Binners? Or do you deny that its an issue that needs solving?
Not my ****ing problem. You geniuses voted for it. You sort it out! Just don't use my taxes to subsidise your stupidity.
Maybe issue each package going to NI with its own blue passport?
It’s actually quite funny how hypocritical Arlene is “ it is important that they realise that part of the United Kingdom is being treated differently” it suits her just fine when it’s political divergence from the UK on women’s rights, same sex rights etc, basically anything against the dinosaur-disbelievers creed.
Yes I was thinking this yesterday, we've always been treated differently.
How would you solve it Binners? Or do you deny that its an issue that needs solving?
All of the UK being in the same trade area. And all of Ireland being in the same trade area. Minimise the barriers to trade between NI & GB, while also minimising the barriers to trade between NI & the rest of Ireland. I'd go further and have one VAT system, but that would be a politically hard sell even in the face of the ongoing mess we're creating for ourselves.
Perhaps they could do that for all shipments into the Single Market. I think we’ve found the answer to making post Brexit trade work! Good job the communists didn’t get in, eh.
And give our largest trading partner another reason to look elsewhere.
I'm not sure what you mean asbrooks, my comment wasn't meant to be serious in any way.
Its not just about the cost, it’s the time consuming red tape and not having the staff to do it
Time is money
The best thing about all this is that the whole 'teething problems' nonsense becomes even less credible to even the hardest-of-thinking with each week that passes.
The penny must surely be dropping that this is permanent. This is what happens when you're a 'third country'. The EU won't be 'renegotiating' anything. Why should they?
We have just voluntarily erected barriers to free trade and created new levels of pointless bureaucracy. To all intents and purposes we've imposed economic sanctions on ourselves
The level of stupidity involved in this whole project is absolutely off the scale
The EU won’t be ‘renegotiating’ anything.
They will be. It's already set out in the agreements we have with them that this will be happening. They just won't be entertaining the constant negotiations and slicing that the UK government wants. Our relationship with the EU will keep shifting, but they will keep a tight rein on how and when these shifts take place. It's what they do. The next big chance for major changes happens to be well timed with our next general election. Be careful who you vote for...
I think Binners is just posting "boilerplate statements" at this stage.
I’m not sure what you mean asbrooks, my comment wasn’t meant to be serious in any way
My bad, I need those stupid emojis to help me understand sarcasm.
What I meant, If we put additional cost on products from the UK on to our EU customers they will eventually look elsewhere to purchase their goods.
Lets face it we are not discussing single consumer items here are we. We are discussing orders of large value. Even a small percentage increase per item becomes unpalatable over the whole order value. This is why I worry about my Job. The last two orders into the EU have been held up by ridiculous extra customs checks and we have been fined by our customers for late delivery. This bit is irrelevant to my post
Which bit of Binners' last post do you disagree with dougiedogg?
I share your concerns asbrooks.
Which bit of Binners’ last post do you disagree with dougiedogg?
None of it, i'm just commenting on the repetitive nature of it, I'm pretty sure i've read the same statement 20x.
Ah... yes, he's gone back to basics, hasn't he... presumably prompted by being asked to square the circle of the NI situation with GB and Ireland no longer being in the same trading area. He was one of those screaming at people claiming that it could all be sorted with some "imagination" years ago. It can't. We can find ways to minimise delays, costs and divisions... but after years of putting those ways in place, we'll still be in a mess of our own making. Well, I say "our"... but most people directly effected by this part of the Brexit conundrum voted not to make this mess, didn't they. They should have been listened to.
None of it, i’m just commenting on the repetitive nature of it, I’m pretty sure i’ve read the same statement 20x.
And still there's no solution.
Ask yourself why there's no solution that works (except the one we had before).
Indeed. When drunken, SAS, Brexiteer numbskull David Davis was proposing 'magical thinking' all those years ago, it was pointed out that there are only 2 options available, but really there is only one.
1. A border across the Irish mainland - but the GFA expressly forbids this
so:
2. A border in the Irish Sea
Thats it. There are no other options. There never was.
So all this has been inevitable for years, ever since the day that the Maybot drew her ridiculous red lines. Now all the chickens are coming home to roost the Brexiteers are acting surprised, which means they're either completely delusional or as thick as mince. I suspect that in most cases - and David Davis is your prime example - it's a combination of the two.
we've imposed sanctions on ourselves.....awesome work.
project fear was in fact project reality, we are going to be going backwards for at least a decade, we'll be begging for closer alignment with the EU in the coming years and I cant see them welcoming us with open arms.
I have zero shits to give for anyone that supported this shitshow, i wish it was just them that will be feeling the pain, sadly the main protagonists will make a tidy sum out of it.
Binners you've missed a possibility off your list. Delusional, thick, or malevolently mendacious. I know which one I think.
A border across the Irish mainland – but the GFA expressly forbids this
It doesn't.
Yey! Mefty's here to solve the conundrum! Will have the solution laid out before us now...
I think the Brexit Fire Brigade is modelled on the one from Fahrenheit 451
The Trumpton mob look like the epitome of professionalism by comparison!
It doesn’t.
Semantics.
It forbids any border infrastructure.
If you have a look at any border between different trading regimes, you'll notice that there tends to be an awful lot of infrastructure. And we've all had fair warning what any border infrastructure would lead to in Ireland. Not the brexiteers appear to give a shit