In normal times that would sound completely mad. Now…
I know. My sentiments exactly
What worries me is that we know Boris is a coward and was always going to bottle it, blink before the EU and then try to sell it as a victory. However, he is also a blithering incompetent and I fear he'll dither and delay as he tries to work out a sellable exit strategy and we'll simply drift past any deadline until its too late and a no-deal is then the default.
you make it sound like a US/UK trade deal under trump would be good, I cant imagine any trade deal like that would be to the benefit to the uk..
It'll be terrible, but as with everything around Brexit, there are no good options available to us. The alternative will be even worse. We'll effectively have no prospect of any trade deals in place with anyone.
By the second week of January Boris (or more likely his successor) will be on his knees, crawling to Brussels, pleading for some kind of deal
you make it sound like a US/UK trade deal under trump would be good, I cant imagine any trade deal like that would be to the benefit to the uk..
Whenever I've ever seen anyone UK-based talking of how Trump cares for the UK I've asked them, "which bit of America First has passed you by?".
Whoever is the President, they'll be looking to move their trade deficit with us into a surplus.
Whenever I’ve ever seen anyone UK-based talking of how Trump cares for the UK I’ve asked them, “which bit of America First has passed you by?”.
Whoever is the President, they’ll be looking to move their trade deficit with us into a surplus.
A million times this. Who could stand on, effectively, 'America Second'? To help out a little post-colonial twerp?
Not a chance. Anything lost now to the US is irreversible. It would be political suicide in the US to campaign otherwise.
Bollocks to Brexit.
Is that the Brexit Dividend then? Soy sauce will not be going up by 30%?
This is beyond satire. Essentially:
'On reflection, all we can claim is that soy sauce won't be more expensive than it would have been under the unbelievably terrible circumstances we have created for no real reason, except that most soy sauce doesn't come to us from Japan it's actually made in the Netherlands, so actually it still might get more expensive. We have no idea really'
Anyone else seeing voter regret on either side?
Think my dad has twigged how hard it will make things, especially with the blithering incompetent he voted in to run negotiations. He seems to understand that this isn't about his own blinkered bias on the EU but about the impact it will have on the lives of his grandchildren.
My mum frankly can't wait to anoint Farage as Fuhrer of the Second British Empire.
Anyone know what's going on? Has the government with the "oven ready" deal, that promised to "get brexit done", that turned down an offer to extend our current arrangements due to the pandemic, got everything in place for the end of next month? All sorted? Not even any snagging to sort? We're ready to go, yeah?
It's just that I keep getting this ad...
...and I'm sure it needs to be targeted at ministers, not me.
Popped up on a FB feed I follow of a local Anti-Brexit group, so take with a pinch of salt....
BREAKING NEWS:
From a very reliable source in the 'Tunnel... there will be a UK-EU trade deal agreed next week. I quote:
"Britain has CAVED. Unless someone in Westminster does something really stupid between now and then a deal will be signed." *clearly this cannot be ruled out!
this will give the UK access to the Single Market, tariff and quota free BUT with specific sanctions to be put on the UK if we lower standards or move away from the Level Playing Field on state aid etc. This means that the UK becomes a rule taker inasmuch as when the EU implement new regulations or standards, the UK MUST also implement those new rules too but without being in the room or being able to vote on drafting the new regulations.
importantly this agreement does NOT keep the UK in the Customs Union meaning that the worst case scenario of thousands of stranded trucks in Kent is still on the table as are the 30 million customs declarations required between GB and Northern Ireland, not to mention the hundreds of millions of new customs declarations required to ship from GB to EU customers.
Also: FISH. The UK will allow EU boats to continue to fish in UK waters, yes French ones too but the UKs quota will be gradually increased by agreement.
Based on history though, any new fishing quota issued to the UK will probably be sold to someone in Spain or Denmark in the future just like we did with our last ones.
Interesting. Boris will sell this to the UK as a "great oven ready deal" I'm sure.
More to come shortly.
Stalement over fishing according to the German news. Now too late to validate a deal in theory but in practice probably still time if any kind of agreement can be reached, which is doubtful given the number of red lines.
Fishing...most of the fish landed by UK fishermen is exported and most of the fish eaten in the UK is imported.
Go figure.
yeah from Jason J Hunter, whos not always most reliable, but pretty plugged in
https://twitter.com/JJHTweets/status/1323676818587734017
Giving way on fishing was always going to happen BUT they'll need a way to sell it as taking back control... so what's the plan? The EU have to ask us nicely every 12 months to keep access to mackerel in our waters, and then we make a lot of noise about expecting something in return to continue access... and then the EU say, "sure, you can sell us your langoustine", and so we says yes? Repeat year after year? But we have "control"?
Anyway...
01 JAN 2011
PREPARATION CAN TAKE
LONGER THAN YOU THINK
It was always going to boil down to the EU saying ‘there you go. Take it or ****in’ leave it’ as the cliff edge approached
You can’t have your cake and eat it? Who knew?
I’m looking forward to seeing how Boris is going to sell this a victory to the ERG Headbangers
welsh farmer has it right...
...the UKs quota will be gradually increased by agreement.
Based on history though, any new fishing quota issued to the UK will probably be sold to someone in Spain or Denmark in the future just like we did with our last ones.
Coming up next, UK to cave on state aid.
After that, johnson and his polyps begin to understand that irrespective of who wins the US election it won't be good news for a prospective trade deal.
I'll believe it when I see it, but Hunter is implying SM membership, that means FoM. Without the CU it Is still a crap deal for the UK economically. But far less disastrous than it could be.
****ing hell! Using the US election to hide this piece of news.
and just to be clear, if SM membership is on the table, honestly I think Rejoin is dead. The UK will not be in the EU for a generation. The appetite for a a repeat of the last few years isn't there.
Tariff free access to the single market not membership of.
there is no way we are going to be offered SM membership and no way Johnson and his cabal would accept it - it means accepting euro court
Has Hunter not read the withdrawal agreement? The customs stuff is already set out and was the main obstacle to signing the withdrawal agreement due to the need to keep the Irish border open. A customs union was never on the table. As for tarif and quota free access that was always on offer if Britain matched a load of EU rules. I'll be very surprised if the UK has climbed down on all of them so I remain sceptical.
IMO there's absolutely no chance there will be SM membership and/or FoM.
IMO there’s absolutely no chance there will be SM membership and/or FoM.
This is Johnson you're talking about, he would do anything to avoid taking a decision, and would happily stab anyone in the back. I don't think it'll happen but I think what happens tonight in the US matters.
I don't think he really gives a crap either way but the Brextremists would have an absolute fit.
I agree, mrmo. A Biden victory means the US being serious about the Good Friday Agreement. Which means the chances of US trade deal any time soon are low making some kind of deal with Europe an imperative.
and given the time constraints, the deal has to be easy to sign off in a couple of weeks. ie the UK caves.
01 JAN 2011
PREPARATION CAN TAKE
LONGER THAN YOU THINK
Relatively easy for Boris to spin a climb-down as "there was no alternative" due to the economic impact of a second lockdown. (Although whether Dom Cum will let him is another matter.)
I don’t think he really gives a crap either way but the Brextremists would have an absolute fit.
He’s got an 80 seat majority and no principles. He never believed in Brexit anyway. It was only ever a convenient means to an end
All this will be about is maths.
There are probably 40 truly mental hardcore ERG Brexiteer headbangers.
The irony of this situation being that it was the ERG Lot who voted for ‘the executive’ to be able to drive through Brexit legislation without the need for a parliamentary vote.
I doubt this is what they had in mind
The irony meter could potentially go off the scale here! 😂
4 of his cabinet are the Britannia Unchained Unhinged no deal true believers though.
You honestly think that if it’s expedient for him he won’t betray them as quickly as any of the paid-off mothers of his various children?
He’s got an 80 seat majority and no principles.
yeah but a decent proportion of those will be against it and by holding out they will get their disaster capitalism hard exit. That said probably not enough to stop the backing from every other party.
If it did happen I would need to change my mind about a leadership context not being likely for several years.
One upside is the moron ministers would surely have to go and be replaced by someone chosen for a reason more compelling than brexit look.
Cummings is only there because the No Deal Paymasters want him there to hold De Pfeffel's feet to the fire. Bugger all to do with his 'genius', he is there because De Pfeffel was told he had to have him.
My money would still be on No Deal.
Although the Nicotine Toad's reappearance might betray his unease, trying to put the squeeze on Alexander Boris De Pfeffel Johnson 'Man of The People' to drive us off the cliff.
I dearly hope so. I dearly hope 'we' are utterly 'humiliated' by this and go back, cap in hand, to be rule takers. Our true place in the world laid bare. That will be the Brexiteers' true legacy - actually lifting the veil of bullshit and assumed superiority to show what is really there.
danny - don't forget that any EU country can veto a membership application; so Hungary, for example, has a veto power equal to that of Germany.
There would be pressure behind the scenes for unanimity but the power of that veto should not be ignored if the UK ever re-applied for EU membership.
This thread has gone completely nuts. Very funny.
This thread has gone completely nuts. Very funny.
If you could just pop that list of Brexit benefits as you see them up on here, that would be great.
If you could just pop that list of Brexit benefits as you see them up on here, that would be great
No place for such content on this thread, much better keeping to wacko conspiracy theories especially now there is a gap in the market with Icke being banned from Twitter.
No place for such content on this thread, much better keeping to wacko conspiracy theories especially now there is a gap in the market with Icke being banned from Twitter.
Not got any, then?
No surprise there. Four and a half years and still ****ing clueless.
<Looks at an imagined watch in an exaggerated way, shrugs, gets on with being a grown up>
If you could just pop that list of Brexit benefits as you see them up on here, that would be great
No place for such content on this thread, much better keeping to wacko conspiracy theories especially now there is a gap in the market with Icke being banned from Twitter.No. Shan’t. Ya boo sucks etc.
No place for such content on this thread, much better keeping to wacko conspiracy theories especially now there is a gap in the market with Icke being banned from Twitter.
you won we lost get over it
I lost actually, I voted remain and I got over it years ago - recommend it.
mefty do you do anything other than just pop up occasionally and sneer in these threads? What does this bring to your life exactly?
Some of the conspiracy theories are pretty daft though admittedly.
mefty do you do anything other than just pop up occasionally and sneer in these threads? What does this bring to your life exactly?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
do you do anything other than just pop up occasionally and sneer in these threads?
Sneering is all anyone does in these threads, isn't it? But good to prick the bubble occasionally.
What does this bring to your life exactly?
Absolutely nothing, posting on here is largely a waste of anyone's life.
Absolutely nothing, posting on here is largely a waste of anyone’s life.
That'll be the last we hear from you on this, then.
👍
Apologies. I'm pretty resigned to things too.
The residents of OAB_Towers are now enjoying the benefits of Brexshit.
A renewed passport arrived today.
If Biden wins, can't he just clap Angry Tinkerbell in irons on charges of treason or undermining the constitution or tax evasion and 'lose' him?
Or get the CIA to arrange 'an accident'?
