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TJ – it’s always been best to get health insurance for cycling
Yep, for the insurance companies...
TJ – it’s always been best to get health insurance for cycling
Never been needed in EU years seeing as you got all your healthcare free. absolutely no need for insurance prior to brexit
did that include helicopter evacuation? seems like the notoriously generous insurance companies have been paying out unnecessarily if so..
Mountain rescue is provided free as well - apart from one or two french ski resorts! There are private outfits that prey on tourists and take them to private hospitals and charge them a fortune but mountain rescue is basically free to all EU citizens..
I am touring tho - not chucking myself off mountains
the only thing not provided free of charge is repatriation
“Brexit isn’t the destination, it’s the vehicle.”
It's the vehicle for those in power and their backers to start asset stripping the UK. At 1 minute past midnight on 1st January, a whistle will blow and everything is going to start disappearing - workers rights, environmental protections, trade unions, legal support, healthcare...
Bet there won't be a weekly cheque of £350m to the NHS either.
SAR is not covered by EHIC in France
https://www.angloinfo.com/how-to/france/healthcare/health-system/eu-health-card-ehic-
EHIC won’t cover you if you need to be repatriated either.
I’d say there’s an outside but real
possibility that the latter may be needed if you’re cycling mixed off-road/road for 6 months.
There are private outfits that prey on tourists and take them to private hospitals and charge them a fortune but mountain rescue is basically free to all EU citizens..
hmm. when we summoned help ('we' being our UK guide but french mountain leadership qualified) to our mate with a compound fracture as far as i'm aware we were well off piste and well out of season. difficult to see how the private model would work effectively under such circumstances. still, all a bit moot now, much like your assertions regarding an iscotland having no barriers to immediate EU entry... 😉
There’s been few laughs to be had today, but hats off for the comedic contribution from the lifelong Brexiteer who went AWOL during the referendum campaign, demanded article 50 be triggered immediately, then facilitated Brexit at every critical juncture
Take a bow, Magic Brexiteer Grandad...
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1344280898112544771?s=21
You really couldn’t make it up 😂
SAR is provided free of charge across almost all of Europe ( where available) except in some french ski resorts. Seriously check it out. this has always been the case. You do not need an EHIC card to get it. Its nothing to do with reciprocal arrangements.
funny how you link to insurance comnpanies telling you you need insurance.
EHIC covers anything that would normally be covered for free in Europe. In France, SAR operations are not free everywhere. Doesn’t matter what resort it is or where you are in the country - different communes have different setups.
Health insurance and.....
Oh ****ing, can't be bothered as it's all changed to shit now anyway, but in the past there really was no real need for health insurance for Europe. Insurance companies made shed loads of money from it so spent a lot if cash convincing you otherwise.
Chuck into the mix a few anecdotes from people who would've been stuck with a big fat bill if not for Yadda Yadda Yadda.
But you seldom hear the other side of the arguement...
A very close friend of mine had a broken foot in Norway, his kid had a broken wrist in St Anton, Bust Toe in Tignes, Something in Saalbach that I can't recall and his wife and son spent three weeks in hospital on antibiotic drip following some involved and expensive procedures in Germany.
Total cost of all the above was around a hundred and fifty quid.
God bless what used to be the European way.
Yes they are free - except on some ski areas - really - go and look it up. nationally provided SAR is free to all. In some ski areas they commune provides the SAR and they are allowed to charge. Seriously dude - go look it up!
EHIC coverered you to the sdame extent as the locals - if they pay a small fee then so do you.
the rest of europe SAR is free.
In the ski areas there are private rescue outfits operating. they will try to charge you and will take you to the private hospital they get kickbacks from. this is why folk get huge bills.
https://simplysavoie.com/mountain-rescue-in-the-french-alps/
In the mountains, away from the ?domaine skiable?? (the ski areas), rescue is provided, free of charge, by the French state.
As the generalists says tho - this is all moot now but its one huge loss from brexit
Do you have a map of all the areas in France that aren't operating state SAR TJ? Because it's not just the Alps - there are some in the Pyrenees as well aren't there?
Then as that article points out, you're still going to be charged for the doctors fees even if you do get picked up by a state helicopter.
I'd do the private health insurance for a six month European cycle tour, even before Brexit, simply because you're entering so many countries with so many different healthcare setups. Wasn't Spain refusing to recognise EHIC not long ago?
Agreed on this being a moot point now though.
I hope the tour goes ahead and I'm looking forward to reading about it on here TJ.
I have traveled all over europie mountaineering, trekking, cycling, MTBing and never had to carry insurance before. It simply was not needed pre brexit
I've been looking at tariffs and I'm confused.
If I want to import a bicycle from the EU, is there a duty payable or not?
Is it the standard or preferential tariff that applies?
https://www.look-up-commodity-code-tariff.service.gov.uk/confirmation/8711601000/DE/
When you’ve worked out rules of origin for bicycles and bicycle frames doomanic, please let me know, I’ve been looking and can’t work it out. I sort of need to know tomorrow.
I think the rules of origin thing is a bit of a red herring... either the bike or frame has been produced in the EU (therefore no UK duty payable) or it’s been imported into the EU and has already had duty paid (therefore no UK duty payable - this is literally an example on the gov.uk website)
either the bike or frame has been produced in the EU … or it’s been imported into the EU
What if the bike or frame is made of parts from many sources? I admire your simplification, but I’m afraid I need far more detail. What about a frame welded outside the EU, and painted within in? Or a frame with the front triangle welded in the EU, rear end and shock imported, and then front and rear painted finished and assembled in the EU? I admit to a bit of head scratching today.
A significant amount of issues have been kicked down the road...
Data adequacy... the EU has all he cards on this one and could ruin many UK businesses by simply demanding parity is maintained against GDPR indefinitely and Boris having a "cake and eat it" moment.
painting doesn’t meet the minimal processing requirements, but then the duty for the frame would’ve been paid when first brought into the EU, therefore no further duty required on importing into the UK, as per the example.What about a frame welded outside the EU, and painted within in?
Data adequacy… the EU has all he cards on this one and could ruin many UK businesses by simply demanding parity is maintained against GDPR indefinitely and Boris having a “cake and eat it” moment
and I suspect that that’s going to apply to pretty much everything, even fish, as this whole thing unravels over the next few years.
All Boris cares about is his photo op and his perceived place in history. He’s a hopeless dimwit but he’s lucid enough to know that this ‘deal’ is a car crash, but he’ll be long gone by the time the true reality becomes apparent.
The biggest disgrace about all this is the Tory party, who’ve behaved like Trumps republicans.
They all know this is a disaster, but they’ve all nodded along snd sold the country down the river so that they can keep their cosseted lives and make a killing with some of the few people who will profit enormously from this debacle
They all know this is a disaster, but they’ve all nodded along snd sold the country down the river so that they can keep their cosseted lives and make a killing with some of the few people who will profit enormously from this debacle
They did that before Brexit
Lot of talk of iScotland, but what about NI? Are we not discussing it much because it's a foregone conclusion?
Does anyone think reunification won't happen in the next 10 years?
“Brexit isn’t the destination, it’s the vehicle.”
I'd hate to be optimistic, but as a vehicle Brexit is the equivalent of an Allegro. The only way it was going to work in the way the true believers wanted was no-deal. The fact that the EU has forced "a level playing field" into the deal that we've got means it's a busted flush. Plus the fact that they've had a glimpse of what that actually means, I think had a help to convince them that what they wanted was this narrow deal. But, it is inevitable that the deal will be enlarged. Economics will demand it, now that the pressure's off, the negotiations will begin, and give it, 10 maybe 15 years time, they'll be a point where the debate will be; "We may as well be back in".
Brexit has failed...
The only way it was going to work in the way the true believers wanted was no-deal. The fact that the EU has forced “a level playing field” into the deal that we’ve got means it’s a busted flush.
Nope.
What's happened is the start of a Cat & Mouse game where the UK will act like a teenage son trying to see how much he can get away with, all the time. Tariffs are like sending him to his room.
What’s happened is the start of a Cat & Mouse game where the UK will act like a teenage son trying to see how much he can get away with, all the time. Tariffs are like sending him to his room.
With the added benefit that you can switch the electricity off so he can’t play with his ps5.
Borders being shut sort of demonstrated our might against evil eu.
We were never fully in, now we aren't fully out. Plus ça change.
Plus the fact that they’ve had a glimpse of what that actually means, I think had a help to convince them that what they wanted was this narrow deal. But, it is inevitable that the deal will be enlarged. Economics will demand it, now that the pressure’s off, the negotiations will begin, and give it, 10 maybe 15 years time, they’ll be a point where the debate will be; “We may as well be back in”.
Brexit has failed…
I very much agree. Just a shame the damage it has done to the country to get to this point of success/failure, and the damage it will continue to do in the next 20 years while it balances itself out, the demographic partly behind the Leave vote shuffles off this mortal coil, and the divisions start to heal.
+1
The only thing I have to add is that if you never had a thing you don’t miss it,so the the new voters who’ve never had the benefits may not value it as we do.
If in 20 years time there's a vote to rejoin you can be sure my kids will be well informed and voting for their futures.
Can someone explain how if there is a tariff free deal you have to pay tariffs. Just waiting for a bike to be sent from the Uk to Sweden and I have no idea if I will have to pay a huge amount of fees. It has not been picked up from crc yet probably due to the transport chaos.
tariff free deal you have to pay tariffs.
Because tariff free applies to a limited set of goods, and they must be (mostly) made in the UK.
It's just a bog standard trade deal for goods, no more no less. It's slightly wider in scope than most covering more things and without quotas (for now), but we gave up fish and some other things to get that.
And that article is a bit misleading. £390 applies for personal imports via airports etc. Commercial stuff will have a much lower limit. Assume £0 and you're probably close enough.
Can someone explain how if there is a tariff free deal you have to pay tariffs. Just waiting for a bike to be sent from the Uk to Sweden and I have no idea if I will have to pay a huge amount of fees. It has not been picked up from crc yet probably due to the transport chaos.
Tariffs are a tax levied to protect your own industries.
Customs charges are considered non tariff barriers, the deal has made sure that we won't be paying tariffs, but outside of the customs Union we now have a mountain of extra red tape & associated costs to deal with
Johnsons deal takes 5% from UK GDP due to all this extra bureaucracy, in a no deal it would only have been 3% more lost.
the deal has made sure that we won’t be paying tariffs
On a limited set of goods as I understand it. I can't export to the EU right now (some couriers now refusing to take stuff under a huge range of commodity codes) as everything outside the core deal is not clear on its status. It's not a single market style free trade zone approach so instead it's just chaos.
What a start to 2021!
And this chaos is not really being reported as nobody really understands the consequences? The articles I have read about what happens after Brexit are very very high level talking about driving, visiting and the like. Anybody found any articles that really explain the consequences?
[strong]tjagain[/strong] wrote:
I have traveled all over europie mountaineering, trekking, cycling, MTBing and never had to carry insurance before. It simply was not needed pre brexit
may be some good news on the EHIC front. Glad I renewed mine only a few months ago...
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/31/brexit-consumers-rights-holidays-banking-uk-eu
It's basically because we have 40 years of not needing the details, and they spent 4 years negotiating the contents of the prologue to the trade deal, 3 months doing some actual work, and forgot to bother filling in the 100s of annexes needed.
I think no one in the UK is reporting it as no-one wants to be seen as project fear any more so they don't even bother trying to analyse what might happen. Easier to wait for the chaos to become visible and just report on that.
What’s happened is the start of a Cat & Mouse game where the UK will act like a teenage son trying to see how much he can get away with, all the time.
A million times this.
The ERG nutters have backed this 'deal' remember.
No doubt De Pfeffel has told them what they want to hear again - that there will be all sorts of childish shenanigans again. You know the sort of thing, sending unsigned letters etc. The type of thing that makes us into an international embarrassment. Even more than we are now.
Like all chronically cowardly men who like to puff their chests out, Johnson will tell different groups different things. The only way to be sure you have paramountcy is to ensure you are the last left in the room with him.
Pathetic lying little man.
Lot of talk of iScotland, but what about NI? Are we not discussing it much because it’s a foregone conclusion?
Does anyone think reunification won’t happen in the next 10 years?
Its very much not a forgone conclusion, a lot of people like being part of the UK and the standard of living it provides, the R.O.I is a very different country in terms of cost of living, healthcare etc. Not to mention the role reversal that would occur between the main parties.
Its easy for people in GB to come to this conclusion because they don't understand the reality of living here.
Contrary to many peoples fanciful imaginings on this thread, the NHS and state pension/benefit/welfare state do still exist, why would the people of N.I suddenly chose to lose these things?
Strange opinions on here;
Scottish/Irish nationalism = Good
English/Welsh nationalism = Bad
Lauded on one hand condemned on the other.
A quick question on the Financial Services issue:
The financial passports that our banks use to allow them to operate in European countries is due to expire at 11pm tonight. I can't find any part of the new trade agreement that gives them an extension before a new scheme is set up/negotiated. I can't actually find ANY details about what is happening with regards to banks. Are we about to have up to 80% of our GDP (if you go off the reported figures) stopped overnight?
I have a terrible feeling that the EU has played an absolute blinder on this issue and we are about to have a mass exodus of financial institutions to mainland Europe, they were already planning for it as long ago as 2018. This would kill the London economy in a stroke.
Please tell me I'm wrong. Part of me wants to see it happen and the Brexit lies be horrifically exposed but I know it will cause untold damage to the whole country so want it to be avoided if possible!
I don't think it's 80% of GDP - just checked the ONS site, the top ten financial services/sectors are 49% of exports or roughly £300bn.
Yep, the EU came out top on this one.
Banks have already moved enough of their operations to get around the passporting already. In my experience from my old job the jobs are where the money is, and the money tends towards where the tax is low and the regulation lower. I would say one of the few benefits of leaving the EU would be that the fin sector might do better.
Its very much not a forgone conclusion, a lot of people like being part of the UK and the standard of living it
providesprovided
We've just damaged it. By how much remains to be seen but the answer is going to be at the 'a lot' end of the spectrum. You just have to imagine incompetent loons like Truss with the unhinged, chip on shoulder, look in her eyes and the disaster capitalists egging her on...
Yes the financial sector is global not eurocentric the UK is very well placed to deal in this sector very much because of our geographical location/timezone and the fact that we speak English as our first language.
Brexit or not that won't change.
Interesting view on how well 'we' negotiated:
https://www.politico.eu/article/5-reasons-uk-failed-brexit-talks/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Its very much not a forgone conclusion, a lot of people like being part of the UK and the standard of living it provides provided
Many contributors on this thread only seem to deal in hypotheticals.
The fact is that the UK currently provides.
Scottish/Irish nationalism = Good
English/Welsh nationalism = Bad
Welsh also needs to go on the good side i would have thought. On Scots nationalism its so very differnt to the english version thats why one is good the other bad! Scots nationalism is outward looking, inclusive and international in outlook. englah nationalism is racist, inward looking and isolationist
Financial services are going to be key and we have already lost much of it and the associated support services and much more is going. London as a financial centre is fading and will be dead in a few years
No dealing in euros now or euro based stuff and no passporting / equivalence.
Bring proud of your country isn't a bad thing, hating other countries is.
The fact is that the UK currently provides.
Pretty much the argument in the Scottish referendum. Things, and outlooks, will change in NI over the next few decades. They are changing already. NI students still have access to Erasmus next year, for example, without UK involvement.
Bring proud of your country isn’t a bad thing
Yes it is. What is it you're being proud of? An abstract administration which makes rules and regulations and the institutions which enforce them? I mean they're useful but not sure they're somethng to take pride in. You take pride in the things you do personally which are good or useful and have made a difference. Taking pride in a country is simply claiming credit for the acts of others you don't know. Being proud of your country is ridiculous, especially one like ours which does so much damage.
applications are now open for the global health card.
why would the people of N.I suddenly chose to lose these things?
Because they’re Irish. The polls are already close for a united Ireland and Brexit will, hopefully, push that further. Birth rate and brexit will sort it out soon enough.
Pensions, health care etc do exist in RoI to.
Because they’re Irish. The polls are already close for a united Ireland and Brexit will, hopefully, push that further. Birth rate and brexit will sort it out soon enough.
Pensions, health care etc do exist in RoI to.
Not all are Irish, some are British.
Do you have a vested interest in a united ireland Kilo? Are you an Irish nationalist?
If a citizen of the UK pays national insurance in N.I do you think they will vote to strip themselves of the benefits that provides by voting to leave the UK?
Financial services are going to be key and we have already lost much of it and the associated support services and much more is going. London as a financial centre is fading and will be dead in a few years
No dealing in euros now or euro based stuff and no passporting / equivalence
Not true.
My wife’s fairly high up in the wealth management game - the banks are setting up small skeleton teams in Europe to deal with passporting and then staying put.
London has its own momentum that will be very hard to derail. You have an entire legal industry set up to support the city, a booming fintech and tech sector - Palantir for example now employs more people London than it does in the US.
She has a first degree, a masters, passed three CFA exams - spends each morning reading various financial outlets and has a substantial amount of time in the industry so I trust her on her opinion. Her company regularly debate this kind of thing as well, brining in speakers to debate and even war gaming various scenarios.
So it's not really clear then. Going to be interesting to watch, in a morbid kind of way.
Being proud of your country isn’t a bad thing, hating other countries is.
What if I'm the opposite? Close to hating what the UK, especially Wales, has inflicted on itself.
Some are and soon it’ll be the minority that don’t want a united Ireland. Brexit will be a factor, which is kinda funny given the Unionist politician’s fervour for it and the extent Britain stiffed them as soon as it became expedient to do so.
I am Irish and I’m in favour of a united Ireland.
Yes.
...do you think they will vote to strip themselves of the benefits that provides by voting to leave...
Well, Brexit 😉
If a citizen of the UK pays national insurance in N.I do you think they will vote to strip themselves of the benefits that provides by voting to leave the EU?
Oh.
41s dammit!
From this article:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55478513
From the mouth of Johnson:
"But from the point of view of UK exporters, for instance, they'll now have the advantage, that they'll only have one set of forms they have to fill out for export to around the whole world."
So that is good then, instead of hassle free trade with Europe they have the advantage of just one set of forms to deal with.
He really is as thick as pig shit isn't he?
If a citizen of the UK pays national insurance in N.I do you think they will vote to strip themselves of the benefits that provides by voting to leave the EU?
Oh.
National insurance has nothing to do with the E.U
Some are and soon it’ll be the minority that don’t want a united Ireland. Brexit will be a factor, which is kinda funny given the Unionist politician’s fervour for it and the extent Britain stiffed them as soon as it became expedient to do so.
I am Irish and I’m in favour of a united Ireland.
Yes.
Thats fine I've no problem with that but I think the assumptions being made by nationalists regarding demographics and polling are naive to say the least (they are driven by SF who are a one trick pony). They ignore the moderates who very much like the standard of living the UK provides along with the obvious and very rightful grievance which will be felt by unionists.
National insurance has nothing to do with the E.U
it's basically another form of general taxation. i think you knew what the implication was.
They ignore the moderates who very much like the standard of living the UK provides
😀
I bet you call the 26 counties “Southern Ireland” don’t you?
it’s basically another form of general taxation. i think you knew what the implication was.
Which also has nothing to do with the EU
very rightful grievance
bit of a contentious turn of phrase, although we are at present talking hypotheticals, any change can only come as a result of a majority, as per GFA. To describe opposing that as a rightful grievance would be giving it a validity it wouldn’t deserve.
very rightful grievance which will be felt by unionists.
If they love the U.K. so much they should bloody well go and live there.
Which also has nothing to do with the EU
sorry - i thought we gave them money? where did that come from then? there was something about a bus, and the NHS. sure i've seen that somewhere.
If they love the U.K. so much they should bloody well go and live there.
They do
Being proud of your country is not a bad thing, but being proud of this country? right now? or it's somewhat dubious past? There is very little to be proud of.
To describe opposing that as a rightful grievance would be giving it a validity it wouldn’t deserve.
It would be very valid to them
I bet you call the 26 counties “Southern Ireland” don’t you?
No everyone calls it "the south"
There’s only one Ireland - the English divided it.
They do
Your missing of the subtlety surprises me not a jot.
No everyone calls it “the south”
There are parts of your “south” further north than a good chunk of NI. Your lack of geographical knowledge surprises me not a jot either.
Keep going though. 😀
There’s only one Ireland – the English divided it.
True, but thats were we are we have to deal with it in a reasonable way.
If they love the U.K. so much they should bloody well go and live there.
Screw that. You've had them long enough now. You deal with them 😊
You have an entire legal industry set up to support the city
You do indeed. And there is a reason why legal qualifications are one of few explicit and guaranteed professional equivalencies in the new agreement… so that other financial centres in Europe can make use of that support, whether it be teams working across the EU:UK border, or individuals following new opportunities away from London.
There are parts of your “south” further north than a good chunk of NI. Your lack of geographical knowledge surprises me not a jot either.
Keep going though. 😀
Likewise for your geographical patronising
Got to say I agree with an awful lot in this article:
View from the EU: Britain 'taken over by gamblers, liars, clowns and their cheerleaders'
We are a laughing stock and any country that we try to make any further deals with will think the same. We will be at every negotiating table with the worst hand you can imagine.
Likewise for your geographical patronising
I apologise profusely. Is there another way you’d like me to point out your deficiencies?