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I am sure that the folks that voted double "B" Boris and Brexit will continue to support both "concepts" as i have said elsewhere people likes of Blyth and Darlington have little to loose so the impact of Brexit and Boris actually doing ****all for them will make little difference to their lives.
I dont think Boris will stand at the next election- it will likley be Rabb or Sunak and they will promise the earth once more and win (unless labour strikes a coalition with the SNP)
Strange as all Boris has to do to keep the Red wall is actually chuck them a few scraps
the “we will prosper” line in full effect
Any switched on interviewer would follow that line with this question:
"How will we prosper" and keep asking until the bluster is exhausted.
A switched on producer would allow the segment to run so that a filibuster defence would not work.
Strange as all Boris has to do to keep the Red wall is actually chuck them a few scraps
He's going to walk by the end of March, so can't be arsed.
The appalling reality is that when he likely goes in Spring we still have 4 more years of these utter shysters.
And the years after that. The key thing we've [re]learned from this is that a huge portion of the UK electorate are thick as pig shit and can't be relied upon to undertake rational thought. They will believe whatever short, easy to believe bollocks that they are fed by the Eton toffs, who they regard as their natural betters.
The scum will keep voting Tory for a while yet. This won't end in 4 years.
So glad my kids have dual nationality
The key thing we’ve [re]learned from this is that a huge portion of the UK electorate are thick as pig shit and can’t be relied upon to undertake rational thought.
Genuine question - how much of this is due to the education system here in the UK? We don't really teach "politics" or recent history (like 60's/70's onwards) as a subject, there's massive voter apathy (which I accept is probably partially connected to the FPTP system) and there's almost no engagement from a young age as to what politics is, how it works at every level from council to central Government.
There seems to be a very vocal percentage of people who are happy to shout DEMOCRACY and WILL OF THE PEOPLE when it comes to not having any further say on Brexit (no more referendums, we won, you lost, leave means leave) but then when it comes to local issues they're demanding to be consulted and vote on literally every measure. Can't have it both ways and I suspect that most people (especially loud shouty Brexiteers) don't actually know what democracy means.
Can’t have it both ways and I suspect that most people (especially loud shouty Brexiteers) don’t actually know what democracy means.
It's the same reason responsible parents put locks on the kitchen cupboards when they've got toddlers in the house.
How many in the uk are actually taught about UK? Details like why so many Irish starved unlike other European countries due to government policies. Or highland clearances? What about how many “native” languages are there in the UK? How about Cornish rebellions? Etc etc etc. Or for another snippet, how about the English armada that followed the Spanish Armada? As for the end of empire, cod wars, mau mau, suez, Korea, etc... maybe a rounder framing of the uk would help. The uk is a medium sized country, time to understand what that means.
Or if you can't be arsed to read a book how about just going onto iplayer and watching a History of Modern Britain?
Marr overdoes the praise for Thatcher, of course, but the whole series deals well with how this country had to adapt post-1945.
How Wilson, for example, couldn't criticise US involvement in Vietnam as he would have liked because "we can't kick our creditors in the balls".
Or how we got Polaris stationed in the Holy Loch, turning Glasgow into a first strike target (against the wishes of our government).
Sovereignty being traded for the support of a bigger player - who'd have think it.
Not exactly what you asked, but about half the secondary history curriculum when I was there (turn of the century) was Germany and Europe 1919-39.
Rise of extreme political parties, economic strife and how it affected the population, european nations applying restrictions and sanctions and so on.
Probably only about 20% of the population would have the intelligence to apply it to what is happening now.
(apologies for Godwin)
Interesting point about education, but I don't think it's the issue here. People towards the right hand side of the intelligence distribution curve made the mistake of assuming that people towards the left hand side operate in the same way, just a little bit slower. They assumed that rational debate, facts and the truth would educate people and let them understand the situation. Whilst this works with most people of a certain intelligence level, it doesn't work with people of low intelligence. Quite often because they are literally too stupid to realise just how stupid they actually are.
So they just respond to easily digested soundbites and whatever snippets they are fed by those who know how to manipulate them.
Imagine you are speaking to a slightly dopey golden Labrador. You tell it in great detail that if it goes round the back of the house there is a huge bowl of pedigree chum and another Labrador on heat. Big comfy blankets and a nice fire to sit next to. You know that the dog would be really happy with all that but it can't understand you it just stands there and watches you wondering what the **** you are on about.
Till the guy next door, who has just installed a brand new dog mincing machine in his garden, and signed a lucrative contract with a plant fertiliser manufacturer, shouts in a very loud, clear voice.
"Rover, HERE"
And off Rover trots, to his doom
If you want to really see how far through the looking glass we are, this is a post from my mate, who's a Lexiteer, this morning. He's an old school socialist. this is how he sees it:
WE can be a forward-thinking entity in control of our own destiny and able to make and implement our own laws and fiscal policy for the first time in decades. Able to make trade deals with countries without devolving those deals to an unelected body who impose and collect tariffs into their own coffers. An organisation whose accounts have never been signed off by the auditors in it's entire existence.
It will be painful and most of the blame for that must lie with Cameron, May and Johnson but a good slice must also lie with the EU who have tried their hardest to make the UK pay for its impudence in thinking it could stand up for itself. Britain will be standing when the EU has folded Italy and the Netherlands are favourites to leave next. Italy will NOT pay back what it owes to the ECB and Germany. It can't. Poland would be a strong candidate to be ejected. Roll on January.
He is, of course, a boomer who is very comfortably off. I've pointed out to him that when he says 'it will be painful' he's not the one who will be feeling the pain, it's the young who are going to pay the price for this. It's like talking to a wall. He's as rabid in his hatred of the EU as Farage
I can’t think how stupid I’d feel if I’d been led up the garden path by a few multi millionaires to vote for something they sold as ‘good for you little people’ whilst moving their personal wealth and companies offshore.
Come on dude, it sounds a bit familiar don't you think?
Do one of your frothy paragraphs for the current system and see how they match up👍
Education is of course the key, the know-it-alls will deny it, as it kinda points the finger at them.
That's a lot of words to use to ultimately say nothing.
Education is of course the key, the know-it-alls will deny it, as it kinda points the finger at them.
The onus is also on the 'to be educated' not to dick around at school, disrupting lessons and thinking they are being clever...
The onus is also on the ‘to be educated’ not to dick around at school, disrupting lessons and thinking they are being clever…
Otherwise you might become PM.
Education is of course the key, the know-it-alls will deny it, as it kinda points the finger at them.
There is a limit to how far you can educate. Despite the fact that they spend years at school being educated in [ for example] English and Maths, loads if people will never really understand them, as evidenced by the exam results.
It's the same with European politics and Brexit. Some people will never understand, because they are not capable of understanding it. Nothing to do with them not having been educated on it.
Otherwise you might become PM.
BOOM!
Creating destruction... and not giving a damn about how that effects everyone else... acting as if the rules don't apply to you... if you're at the right level of our everlasting class system, that's clearly PM material...
Some people will never understand, because they are not capable of understanding it.
Not sure if it's "not capable" so much as "prefer to believe alternative facts".
There seems to be a very vocal percentage of people who are happy to shout DEMOCRACY and WILL OF THE PEOPLE when it comes to not having any further say on Brexit
And for those people, they are just soundbites to repeat, with no understanding of their meaning.
Interesting point about education, but I don’t think it’s the issue here. People towards the right hand side of the intelligence distribution curve made the mistake of assuming that people towards the left hand side operate in the same way, just a little bit slower. They assumed that rational debate, facts and the truth would educate people and let them understand the situation. Whilst this works with most people of a certain intelligence level, it doesn’t work with people of low intelligence. Quite often because they are literally too stupid to realise just how stupid they actually are.
So they just respond to easily digested soundbites and whatever snippets they are fed by those who know how to manipulate them.
The terminally hard of understanding, it's pointless to try.
As the phrase goes, never try to argue with stupid.
Till the guy next door, who has just installed a brand new dog mincing machine in his garden, and signed a lucrative contract with a plant fertiliser manufacturer, shouts in a very loud, clear voice.
“Rover, HERE”
And off Rover trots, to his doom
This doesn't mean that the Labrador is ‘dopey’. It means that you are dopey expecting it to understand your language (and by leaving the door open to danger)
The bright fellow next door not only speaks the language, but got his job done with the least effort. You lost, and (because of you) your student/dog also lost. ‘Man/dog-eat-dog/win vs lose’ world ‘wins’. Wordy educationalist loses, yet still blames the student.
*Edit - This is a terrible analogy as it stands 🤣. Just riffing.
I think people become educated in things they are interested in, its not about being incapable of understanding it. I understood maths when I was learning it but I had no interest in it and did badly at exams.
Whoa there, there's a few with some pretty offensive ideas here💩, I'm scared to ask but what are you planning for these people who can't be educated?
Camps for re-education by labour, owned by amazon.
Once the machines are good enough we can even stop feeding them.
I’m scared to ask but what are you planning for these people who can’t be educated?
Not sure it's relevant what "we" propose.. just look at what Truss, Kwarting, Patel, Raab & co proposed, and are implementing... pay them less, take away their workers' rights, punish them financially if they don't work hard enough in your eyes despite the low pay and job insecurity... and stop them fleeing the country and getting jobs in bars, hotels and in construction etc in other countries where the pay and conditions are kept higher. And I haven't even mentioned the NHS...
Whilst they're doing the above - assuming they're sticking to the script - the cabinet will take a mid morning toilet break during which they will take a massive turd on anything related to the arts.
So Johnson is starting to cave in...
@ferrals:
Back at the time of the referendum I did a back-of-a-fag-packet-that-happened-to-be-an-excel-spreadsheet calculation and found that for every pound Wales contributed to the EU, we got £1.17 back. Problem is leave-inclined people just dismissed it as ‘it’s not about the money.’
I did similar and came up with a rough figure of £1.20. At the time a lot of my work colleagues and family were/are (some have seen the error of the whole thing) full-on Leavers and I did start to doubt my choice of wanting to stay in, thinking the majority are usually right. Thankfully reading stuff here and through the links everyone provided together with my own research made me go against the popular opinion surrounding me. I wish I had stood up for my view more back then as it may have had an effect but it's very hard to be the lone voice on such an emotive subject.
All this is a form of economic eugenics, isolate your workforce (at all levels by restriction of movement) then .....
1. Introduce cheaper highly educated immigrants (increase competition drive down overheads)
2. Provide the people in 1 with a cheap static workforce
3. De regulate as much as you can
Camps for re-education by labour, owned by amazon.
Once the machines are good enough we can even stop feeding them.
Pretty much what Brexit hastens then....?
Whoa there, there’s a few with some pretty offensive ideas here
Your good self included.
"Let's smash stuff up and **** everyone over out of petty jealousy".
Don't be going all snowflakey on us now.
Also you cant fight ideology with a spreadsheet- mainly due to the fact that the spreadsheet doesn't really apply to folks at the very top or the very bottom
So Johnson is starting to cave in…
from that...
Ambassadors and MEPs in Brussels were advised that the UK’s move on the so-called “evolution clause”, ensuring there is recourse to unilateral tariffs should standards significantly diverge, also left work to be done on the “architecture” of how it would work in practice.
Barnier said there were three scenarios: a deal struck by the end of this week allowing for ratification by the European parliament on 28 December; a breakdown in the talks; or agreement being found at the end of the year and the deal being “provisionally applied” to avoid a no-deal exit, with MEPs giving their consent in 2021.
What I posted...
So when do we reckon Boris pops out and says we tried but unfortunately we have no deal, then blames it on the EU.
80% probability that is exactly what happens. Probably just after Christmas, when MPs are utterly powerless, and the public uninterested.
I reckon there is still a 10% chance of a bare bones deal this month, with 10 year tapering down on fishing rights, and reciprocative tariff action against lowering of standards limited to same top level TARIC codes (so no retribution in different sectors) for the same period.
10% chance of a fudge that keeps goods moving tariff free in both directions while the “final details” are ironed out and implemented Q1 2021. USA would complain, but WTO would push any process into the long grass ‘till the POTUS changes to a sane one.
Percentages haven't changed for me. And the path do a deal still means the UK accepting that they can't diverge on standards while binding the EU's hands on reciprocating on tariff"a free access.
and in comes the wrecking handgrenade again
"Barnier warned, however, that the negotiations on EU access to British fishing waters had gone backwards. The UK tabled a paper on fisheries Monday only to take it off the negotiating table on Thursday, he claimed."
this is the tactic all along. deliberately sabotage any chance of a deal by moving the goalposts or by some action that enrages the EU side
I struggle to understand working class demands for sovereignty... have traced my families history back to the 1400s all i can see is the negative impact of sovereignty on ordinary families from the Border Reivers to The enclosures acts to world wars to the industrial revolution to destroying the miners/unions to brexit.
This is all a logical extension ... sovereignty 2.0 if you like or the ability of a govt to control its population.
We are not the bastion of democracy never have been... its a illusion supported by PR, House of Lords and a neutered monarchy.
and in comes the wrecking handgrenade again
They'll be a taper period, on both fishing rights and a ban on "punishment" tariffs... if there is a deal. Can kicking... it's the only way, politically, for Johnson to get a deal past his backers... the UK is using fishing rights to get a period where they can deregulate without fear of a trade war with our main market. They hope that when crunch time comes... in... probably 10 years... that the UK will be in a stronger position and the EU won't go near removing tariff"a free trade in response to our lower standards. [they're probably wrong, but hey, some of them will make a killing during that time, and then move onto other "emerging markets" once they've made their quick buck here]
I wish I had stood up for my view more back then as it may have had an effect but it’s very hard to be the lone voice on such an emotive subject.
I wish I'd followed through on my idea of writing down all these arguments in a pamphlet and standing on Queen St with a sandwich board saying 'Ask me about the EU' before the referendum.
Thegeneralist is a Daily Mash staff writer and I claim my two Brexit potatoes.
If you want to really see how far through the looking glass we are, this is a post from my mate, who’s a Lexiteer, this morning. He’s an old school socialist. this is how he sees it:
And of course the problem is not just down to the Tories and the tabloids, Labour have also been feeding him these lies for the past 4 years.
We are not the bastion of democracy never have been… its a illusion supported by PR, House of Lords and a neutered monarchy.
Agreed. I'd never appreciated just how little this country has changed in terms of democracy over the last milenia. I used to think we were a relatively advanced, meriticious society run for the good of the majority.
How wrong I was.
Agreed. I’d never appreciated just how little this country has changed in terms of democracy over the last milenia. I used to think we were a relatively advanced, meritorious society run for the good of the majority.
TBH Raab and Patel were right in that book "Britannia Unchained" mentioned earlier, the British are lazy and entitled. However, the were right for the wrong reasons and the cure they proposed was simply cutting off the life support.
It is a schoolboy effort with cherry picked examples being used in glorious defiance of any contextual relevance.
Identified them as cheerleaders for the thing though. More useful idiots, in their own way.
Thegeneralist is a Daily Mash staff writer and I claim my two Brexit potatoes.
Sorry, there's a war food shortage on.
You can only have half a potato.
I struggle to understand working class demands for sovereignty
Especially when I've yet to hear anyone who can actually define it.
I caught 30 mins of LBC & JoB today, yet another bloke calling in demanding sovereignty and then been utterly unable to describe it.
Beexit definition of "Sovrunty"
"The ability of the UKs government to dictate the management of capital and resources without recourse to a democratic process"
The "sovereignty" thing is just a nonsense soundbite designed to appeal to dim-witted jingoists.
As such, it's a work of genius, if your goal is to win power. Not so much, if you want to do anything with that power.
@oldmanmtb2 simply because people are told look over there, media, class, call it what you like but far too many are uninterested in understanding who is actually shafting them.
The “sovereignty” thing is just a nonsense soundbite designed to appeal to dim-witted jingoists.
As such, it’s a work of genius, if your goal is to win power. Not so much, if you want to do anything with that power.
Dog whistle populism.
Wins elections, can deliver on substance.
TBH I think that the EU hit Boris in the plums with the no deal air and road connectivity contingency requiring reciprocal fishing access and actually being a deal.
I think he assumed a 6 month freebie on this, no deal and wto he'd get away(for a while as they span plates) but no deal and no flights/road connectivity is hard to sell that everything's fine and going as planned.
My betting is also that Johnson finds a way to row back on any concessions made once he has been spoken to by his masters. Probably by chucking in another hand grenade
I also suspect that somone like Sunak who appears to have more than two braincells and at least knows the rough whereabouts of reality has told him what a disaster no deal will be
Talking of LBC. An awfully nice bloke just painted the rosy picture of his no deal dream. Take THAT, naysayers. Now get shoulder to the wheel and quit complaining. There are two options (if indeed you choose to stay in the UK, and I realise that choice has effectively been removed for most)
1. ‘Stay in the UK and win while cheering’.
Or
2. ‘Stay in the UK and lose while whining’*
Here are the benefits of the no deal Brexit:
* I suppose there is always wildcard 3: ‘Stay in the UK and whine while surviving’
Oh the whining and pain ain't going away with a deal scenario, the pain will be delayed but no chance of any real change with a bozzer deal.
Are you ever going to outline what "real change" you're hoping will result from a No Deal end to the transition period? Or... as others might put it... what are the benefits? I assume by "change", that you mean "improve", rather than a change for the worse... but that might be naive of me...
Are you ever going to outline what “real change” you’re hoping will result from a No Deal end to the transition period? Or… as others might put it… what are the benefits? I assume by “change”, that you mean “improve”, rather than a change for the worse… but that might be naive of me…
They haven't managed it in four and a half years, so I wouldn't hold my breath...
yes excess - I would love to hear what benefits there are from any form of brexit.
Please?
Disaster capitalism or disaster socialism. Two versions of years zero. Two versions that see poverty and suffering for most whilst a small group at the top get richer.
MMRO as i have said before i still circulate in red wall land, most of these people we "talk about" actually don't believe that the brexiteer cheerleaders have anything but poorfolks best interests at heart - they are not disinterested they do lack an enquiring mind set (please note i am talking about my own family) this is due to being fed shit by media, they all have a limited education and have little capacity to disect/investigate and distill all the information available and they have not been exposed to the wider world beyond Benidorm (i repeat i am talking about my family) they are vulnerable, confused and poorly educated.. not disinterested it just looks like that on the outside looking in.
My cousins son is 25 years old, father left before he was born, single mother living in the arse end of South Shields, the kid stoped going to school at 14 drink drugs a father at 16 never had a job.. his mum.asked me to give him a job - i said i employ IT Graduates? What can i give him to do? In the end i got him a job in a Bookies (dont ask how) he ***ed up and certainly robbed money. His mum asked me again and i said i cant i have already lost a friend over him.
These are the type of challenges that poor folk have, no structure, no parental guidance, no decent jobs, no value of education so when they are fed shit about their lives and its all someone else's fault (immigrants etc) its so easy for them to go "told you its not the fact i am lazy, poorly educated, dishonest.... its them immigrants.
They both voted leave.
As far as I can tell, @exsee wants everyone reduced to this. Because then no-one will have more mud than him and he won't have to feel jealous any more.
There is an expectation among this group of people that they should simply be given £36k wage, 3 bedroom semi, new car, two holidays a year for doing no more than turning up for 37.5 hours a week. In short everything that is wrong in their lives is someone elses fault.
In hindsight it was so easy to get these peole to vote leave.
Not shocked, I have said elsewhere, a friend of a friend was disowned by their parents for “getting ideas” they did their nursing training FFS. Parents started snooping around when they realised she was on fairly decent money.
at least knows the rough whereabouts of reality
😀
As far as I can tell, @exsee wants everyone reduced to this. Because then no-one will have more mud than him and he won’t have to feel jealous any more.
That's the conclusion I came to as well.
Unless exsee wants to explain any further I think we have our answer.
What strikes me as completely bonkers is that we have had over 3 years of talks and posturing to get to the position we are in now. If in all of that time they have failed to reach a common ground on lots of the important stuff what hope in hell do they have of sorting everything out in the next week or so? Plus if they do get a deal done by Jan 1st how the hell are businesses going to have time to plan for it all and get it working in that time?
Whatever happens now, regardless of whether it's a deal or not, we are heading for the wholesale chaos that NO Deal would bring. They've left it far too late and we now have zero bargaining chips left. The chaos that will ensue will give the EU the upper hand in any further negotiations as they can just say 'This is what you're getting. It's either this or you continue with the chaos you're in now.' The second we try and force any sort of concession from them we will have lost.
There are two courses of action available now:
We crash out with No Deal on Jan 1st.
The EU offer a delay/extension and we postpone the cliff edge for a few weeks/months.
If we agree to a postponement then all hell will break loose in the govt and the EU will know they don't have to concede on anything. Either way we, as the 'little people' are royally ****ed.
I wish I’d followed through on my idea of writing down all these arguments in a pamphlet and standing on Queen St with a sandwich board saying ‘Ask me about the EU’ before the referendum.
You would have been treated exactly the same as the Jehovah Witnesses and the old guy singing into a plastic warble microphone, a ring of clear street around you as everyone crosses to the other side to avoid you!
If in all of that time they have failed to reach a common ground on lots of the important stuff what hope in hell do they have of sorting everything out in the next week or so?
None. It's a stare-out contest now. Loser gets blamed for "walking away".
An utter, utter clusterf*ck.
I'm sorry did I just hear in that Richard Tice interview at 1:10 that we are going to have a huge tariff surplus on £100bn of imports? Does he think the EU pay us this money or is he hoping we don't notice that it's a taxation on the importer? The way he tried to sell UK holidays, weird fish and lamb dinners as a benefit of brexit (as though we can't currently do any of those) makes me think he just thinks we're stupid.
I've found a brexit benefit, we can re-purpose the infamous 'Latvian jokes' and just replace Latvian with uk, behold!
Latvian man not see neighbour for many day.
He go into house to see how is.
Is frozen to death.
Man very happy, family will eat well for a week now.
makes me think he just thinks we’re stupid.
Statisticaly speaking, He's right. 51% of people are of below average intelligence.
The tories red lines always meant no deal was possible other than a very thin one. This was deliberate.
Never any intention of getting a proper deal.
YOu cannot have tariff free access unless yo have a level playing field with robust sanctions for breaches. You cannot have no border on the island of ireland and no border in the north sea without staying in the CU. You cannot stay in the customs union and not be bound by european law.
I've just had the misfortune to be watching something on you tube and the add that popped up midway though was Furhrage punting financial advice and products.
Claiming that now that 'the country has decided to take back control of its destiny so too should you and take control of your financial future as the little man and women is being played by the big corporates'.
Bragging along the way about how his grandfather his father and also he served (served, mind you! not worked) for 20 years in the financial world.
What a clunt I feel sick just hearing his voice.
That Tice fella was just regurgitating what was in the Daily Heil the other day, he retweeted a pic of the column telling us to buy second homes as the house prices would fall and buy news cars to keep the British car industry alive. Another clunt.
He ( Barnier) complained that the UK believed that as it had made efforts on the level playing field, then the EU should reciprocate with concessions on fishing quotas and the frequency of negotiations. “But it does not work like this,” he said.
Barnier told MEPs the government had tabled a paper on fisheries on Monday, only to take it off the negotiating table on Thursday and that it was seeking to “renationalise” fishing boats by insisting vessels under the UK flag should be majority British owned.
They will believe whatever short, easy to believe bollocks that they are fed by the Eton toffs, who they regard as their natural betters.
I saw that the Spanish foreign minister commented on the negotiations as, and to quote, she said it was ' 19th Century Men Vs 21st Century Women.' Put aside the men v women bit(a few here in the past would have taken issue with it), I don't really need to explain what it means.
We have people here who have access to a particular education, who are in a lot of cases are educated beyond their intelligence, lording it over a population who have had a poor or little education, who still subconsciously 'doff their caps' to the 'elite' because they are well educated = must be intelligent right?
But until this
is stopped, I don't see how it will change. Its a very 'liberal' way of thinking, noble and honest with the belief that we can make people become better thinkers with better education, and thus make a better world...but perhaps its time for 'liberals' to adopt the same tactics as the right use on the population.They will believe whatever short, easy to believe bollocks
Oh yes, I absolutely want to share the mud a bit, that's the very essence of a fairer society for me. 15 million living in poverty in the UK, the system is broke.
A bozzer deal is looong term pain for short term gain.
Another one who seems to be suggesting culling the thickos in some way.
Stw should be ashamed, have you learnt nothing from the recent equality push. If you aren't actively working for a fairer society you are to blame for an unfair society. It's not enough to tick a box every few years.
I think it's broken. ^^^
makes me think he just thinks we’re stupid
While obviously he does think that... they real reason why he, and Banks, and others can just laugh off questions about the benefits of the process we are going through, is that they know we're well past the point of no return.
If you aren’t actively working for a fairer society you are to blame for an unfair society.
And No Deal in January furthers this laudable aim how, exactly?
The know-it-alls won't be accepting more of the same for the little people if their little bubbles are threatened too.
We need the spark to get a bit of that French anger going.
More ranting tomorrow people😤 it is definitely beneficial, we could all do more I guess👍
Oh yes, I absolutely want to share the mud a bit, that’s the very essence of a fairer society for me. 15 million living in poverty in the UK, the system is broke.
A bozzer deal is looong term pain for short term gain.
But it's not sharing the mud, it's leaving the peasents to fight over the mud whilst big business cream in even more profit via tax avoidance, offshoring etc. That's the tory master plan, it's in plain sight for all to see.
If borisis '**** business' remark, followed by literllay hiding in a fridge wasn't enough for you to see what's really afoot, here, I'm not sure what will be.
We need the spark to get a bit of that French anger going.
Now you are showing your true colours, the French are our neighbours, whether you like it or not, along with 26 other country nations, all acting as one big powerfull trading block. When we leave, they will vote in thier best interests, not ours, we revoked that opportunity all by ourselves.