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I take solace from the idea that Johnson has probably just woken up with a slight hangover, and had been dreaming about the good old days and high jinx at Eton, when reality and the rough weeks and months ahead suddenly struck him. And he felt dreadful.

"Dom, can I resign yet?"

"No"


 
Posted : 14/09/2020 8:47 am
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Likelyhood of Scotland ever being given a referendum and any desire for a border poll in Ireland being blocked?

After the next Holyrood elections its inevitable that Scotland will move to independence ( Assuming the predicted big SNP win) by some method. Irish Border poll is written into the GFA so will have to happen

As soon as the Brexit ref happened both things became a matter of "when" not "if"


 
Posted : 14/09/2020 9:01 am
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“Dom, can I resign yet?”

“No”

Even Johnson can summon up the effort to get to January.

Then it is off into the sunset and everyone else gets to clear up the mess. He's been doing it his whole life, he isn't going to stop now.


 
Posted : 14/09/2020 9:01 am
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Irish Border poll is written into the GFA so will have to happen

and from the d'souza case, it appear the UK never fully implimented the GFA, and from recent carry on, the UK gov isn't really interested in International agreements. So why bother with a border poll.


 
Posted : 14/09/2020 10:02 am
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This whole thread is accurate & hilarious

https://twitter.com/RussInCheshire/status/1304778986782961669?s=19


 
Posted : 14/09/2020 11:48 am
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Stand back everyone. Dave has spoken

David Cameron joins ex-PMs warning against Boris Johnson's Brexit bill

Nothing on whether he feels any responsibility for the greatest ****-up any country has ever inflicted on itself, but, you know... nice of him to chip in. I'm sure we all greatly value his opinion


 
Posted : 14/09/2020 12:30 pm
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Nothing on whether he feels any responsibility for the greatest ****-up any country has ever inflicted on itself, but, you know… nice of him to chip in. I’m sure we all greatly value his opinion

It is just a soundbite for him. He knows he will just be dismissed as a bitter remoaner by the loons anyway.

Doesn't even register.


 
Posted : 14/09/2020 12:32 pm
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Wrote to my MP - turns out they are happy to be a law breaker. I might head to something they hold dear & break the law there is a small a specific way.

Thank you for contacting me again.

Last week, Wednesday saw Back British Farming Day, the national day to celebrate our support for British Farmers.

I took the opportunity to meet with leading Cornish food producer Riviera Produce, who supply to some of the UK’s major supermarkets. One interesting fact I learned from my visit is that currently Cornish cauliflowers reach 95% of British supermarkets, a really positive example of how our supply chains currently work. This is just one element of our current arrangements that would be disrupted if the EU get their way in the current Brexit negotiations, hence why the Government is bringing forward the United Kingdom Internal Market Bill, which caused controversy and probably considerable headaches around the EU negotiating table last week.

With the end of the Brexit transition period, the UK will leave the EU single market. The EU legal underpinnings for free trade in goods and services between the four nations will fall away. To prevent new barriers to intra-UK trade from emerging the Government has proposed a new legal framework: the United Kingdom Internal Market Bill.

The aims of the Bill are to provide continuity for businesses and citizens and improve competitiveness and business environment across the UK. The Bill will contribute to general welfare and prosperity in all nations of the UK. A UK internal market will help the UK in reaching international trade agreements and allow the benefits of those agreements to extend to all parts of the UK.

The provisions of the Bill set out general principles for market access and support, affecting trade in goods and services. The UK internal market principles would apply all to nations of the UK equally.

There are several principles within the Bill.

The first principle means that if a good or service can be legally sold in one part of the UK, then it can be sold in any part of the UK. This is the principle of mutual recognition.

The second principle prevents parts of the UK treating goods coming in from other parts of the UK less favourably than local goods. This is the principle of non-discrimination.

Other principles include the introduction of a unified system for the recognition of professional qualifications across the UK for professions that are regulated by law, the establishment of an independent Office for the Internal Market and a proposal that Restricts UK authorities from using their powers after the transition period in a way that might result in the introduction of checks, controls or administrative processes for goods moving from Northern Ireland to Great Britain.

Importantly for areas of the UK like Cornwall that have previously been in receipt of EU funding, the Bill also creates a new power allowing ministers to provide financial assistance for a wide range of different purposes. This power is intended to be used to replace the funding that the EU currently distributes within the UK. The Bill also contains provisions on government financial assistance and clauses that in effect give the UK Parliament the exclusive right to legislate on how subsidy controls will work in the future.

The Internal Market Bill is one that will provide the foundation for our internal economy as we move beyond Brexit, and allow the Government to replace EU funding with monies that are better targeted and easier to access than what we have received in the past. It is one that I fully support and I look forward to seeing it pass through Parliament and become law.

Thank you once again for getting in touch and if I can be of further assistance with any other matter, then please do not hesitate to contact me.

Kind regards,

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Posted : 14/09/2020 2:54 pm
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Dave has spoken

So, that’s all the past Tory leaders apart from IDS? Howard was fuming about it, and no one can dismiss him as a “remoaner”.


 
Posted : 14/09/2020 2:59 pm
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Wrote to my MP – turns out they are happy to be a law breaker. I might head to something they hold dear & break the law there is a small a specific way.

I've written to my MP too. Not that I expect a reply. He never replies to anyones letters or emails and immediately blocks anyone who asks him questions on social media.

I know which way he'll vote, of course. He's one of the new 'Red Wall' Tories, so he's a full on Brexiteer and will vote for whatever Dom tells him to vote for.

The irony is that he was, prior to being an MP, a criminal defence lawyer. I'm not sure how that fits with a positive endorsement of breaking the law, whether in 'a small a specific way', or otherwise.


 
Posted : 14/09/2020 3:17 pm
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I’ve written to my MP too. Not that I expect a reply. He never replies to anyones letters or emails and immediately blocks anyone who asks him questions on social media.

Ours has blocked me on Facebook, but not twitter - & generally replies to my emails.


 
Posted : 14/09/2020 3:30 pm
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Yup, he'll just get a court injunction so that the answer to the question "how many people have you ****ed and then dumped 9 months later" goes from "It's a secret but it's probably 6, maybe" to "It's a secret but it's the entire population of the UK"


 
Posted : 14/09/2020 4:04 pm
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Well who would have thought it Ed Miliband tearing Boris a new one... and generally doing a proper job on the Internal market..


 
Posted : 14/09/2020 6:15 pm
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Well who would have thought it Ed Miliband tearing Boris a new one… and generally doing a proper job on the Internal market..

If only he could eat a bacon sandwich we wouldn't be even talking about this...


 
Posted : 14/09/2020 6:17 pm
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I am assuming this is Keir's speach the way it is structured but Ed is delivering it brilliantly


 
Posted : 14/09/2020 6:23 pm
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If only he could eat a bacon sandwich we wouldn’t be even talking about this…

Was never a huge fan of ED M, but It's surprisingly easy to get a really horrific picture of someone eating if you have a camera that takes 14 pictures per second and a big SD card.

In other news:

Arlene:

“We are not the play thing of the European Union and it causes great difficulties here in Northern Ireland when people use Northern Ireland in that fashion.”

Leo:

“Countries all around the world, are wondering if this is the kind of place we can do any deal with or any treaty with.”


 
Posted : 14/09/2020 7:22 pm
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Arlene really is as thick as mince, isn’t she? He’s thrown her under the bus once and she’s deluding herself if she thinks he won’t do it again at the drop of a hat when it suits him

Looks like Cummings is doing his bully-boy thing again. He really must be spectacularly deficient in certain physical quarters to carry on the way he does

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1305458599137890305?s=12

Even with an 80 seat majority, he’s going to run out of MPs to boot out of the party before long.

This sums up the insane world of the Cummings Tory Party

https://twitter.com/trevorgreetham/status/1305485230388674561?s=21


 
Posted : 14/09/2020 8:13 pm
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Ed Miliband tearing Boris a new one… and generally doing a proper job on the Internal market..

I didn’t vote for Labour under Miliband, and if I met him, I’d apologise. But his ‘controls on immigration’ mug (we’ve had controls in place for over 200 years unbroken now) helped to get us where we are now… with the lie that we had to leave the EU to prevent ‘uncontrolled immigration’ taking hold in the minds of the public even in the Labour voting heartlands… and that’s why they are no longer Labour voting heartlands. He contributed to that. But… he’s been pretty good on his current brief since Starmer appointed him… he’s at the right level now… a candidate to be a minister, not a leader of the country (or of an election campaign).

https://twitter.com/screamofficial/status/1305570043934257152?s=21

https://twitter.com/iamhappytoast/status/1305568921769082886?s=21


 
Posted : 14/09/2020 8:29 pm
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That is ****ing brilliant!


 
Posted : 14/09/2020 8:35 pm
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He really must be spectacularly deficient in certain physical quarters to carry on the way he does

Ask Boris, he noshes him off whenever Dom says so.


 
Posted : 14/09/2020 8:35 pm
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I listened to Boris getting his arse handed to him by Ed Miliband. Watching it is even better.

Like a naughty schoolboy who’s just been told that, no, I don’t believe the dog ate your homework


 
Posted : 14/09/2020 8:53 pm
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binners

Nothing on whether he feels any responsibility for the greatest ****-up any country has ever inflicted on itself,

To be fair, he didn't invade Russia


 
Posted : 14/09/2020 9:26 pm
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I listened to Boris getting his arse handed to him by Ed Miliband. Watching it is even better.

Like a naughty schoolboy who’s just been told that, no, I don’t believe the dog ate your homework

Yeah, but that wasn't the look of someone getting angry over something that actually matters to him. It wasn't even the look of someone who is narked because he has been shown up for being lazy and useless.

That look said to me "I don't give a shit what you're saying or that I can't answer it. I'm out of here in less than six months, then I am untouchable".

I don't think I could ever tire of punching that ugly gloating mug. The only way I would consider stopping is if I could divert my attentions onto Cummings.


 
Posted : 14/09/2020 9:29 pm
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To be fair, he didn’t invade Russia

Yeah, hard to match this.


 
Posted : 14/09/2020 9:37 pm
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That momentary look of blind terror on Johnson's face when Milliband challenged him to specify the sections of the bill and protocol which did what he claimed they did. Priceless.


 
Posted : 14/09/2020 10:01 pm
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That momentary look of blind terror on Johnson’s face when Milliband challenged him to specify the sections of the bill and protocol which did what he claimed they did. Priceless.

Not priceless. Johnson knows exactly the price and he's being paid that plus 50%.

He doesn't give a shit, because soon he won't have to.


 
Posted : 14/09/2020 10:04 pm
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Why are you all convinced his time is short?


 
Posted : 14/09/2020 10:12 pm
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No one knows for sure how long Johnson will stick around for

but hes notoriously lazy & Im not sure he fancies the next decade of grinding brexit negotiations any more than the rest of us do


 
Posted : 14/09/2020 10:15 pm
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Why are you all convinced his time is short?

He hasn't got the attention span or attention to detail or plain effort to see anything through fully.

This is part of the reason for all this 'rip up the rules' brinkmanship. Albeit a minor one next to the fact that Brexit is an utterly stupid and self-harming idea.

He isn't going to stick around to actually eat the shit sandwich.

My money is on some kind of covid-related longterm health excuse in late Jan or early Feb.

Nothing to do with being permanently pissed, obviously.


 
Posted : 14/09/2020 10:25 pm
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Yip. Like his old Eton chum Dave, he’ll simply stroll away from the smouldering wreckage, whistling.

He’ll be gone by the second week in January when the true horror of no deal becomes reality. As Milliband pointed out accurately today, he’s never taken responsibility for anything in his life. I seriously doubt he’s about to start now


 
Posted : 14/09/2020 10:49 pm
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There is a lot of talk of how passing the internal trade bill will ruin the UK's reputation. Surely even talking about the bill in Parliament is enough to do that. It shows that the PM and the government want to act in bad faith and are willing to break the law (again). It shows that they want to override devolved Parliaments and grab powers back. It shows complete and total arrogance and I really hope enough Tory back benchers vote against their whip to stop Boris and Cummings in their tracks.


 
Posted : 14/09/2020 10:56 pm
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I certainly wouldn’t bank on that. Brexit is littered with the cowardice of Tory Backbenchers who turned out to be all talk


 
Posted : 14/09/2020 10:58 pm
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The bill will pass & then when the consequences of this play out, Johnsons next transgression/lie/crime will have to be even bigger than the last

Theres no way enough backbenchers will turn against him, theyre craven


 
Posted : 14/09/2020 11:14 pm
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That look said to me “I don’t give a shit what you’re saying or that I can’t answer it. I’m here for years, and I am untouchable”.

[fixed]

All this talk of him getting bored/tied and moving on… the same was said about Trump… these people won’t willingly leave their castles… being out of their depth doesn’t matter to them, because the little people pay the price… they get to keep wearing the crown.


 
Posted : 14/09/2020 11:15 pm
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Johnsons next transgression/lie/crime will have to be even bigger than the last

Which is why he won't last. That succession of needing to tell ever bigger lies won't even appeal to Johnson. He only became PM for his own ego and the Tories only let him because of his supposed razzamatazz. He never did believe in Brexit.

He isn't going to stick around dealing with something he probably views as something that was not his problem in the first place.


 
Posted : 15/09/2020 8:19 am
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He won’t be dealing with it, we will. He’ll just carry on with the cosplay Churchill thing, and signing off on billions of our money going to shell companies.


 
Posted : 15/09/2020 8:58 am
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Was hoping the majority would have been smaller yesterday, but BBC coverage suggests it will be later votes on amendments that may flush out the MPs with spines.

I intend piling in to my MPs inbox later - much as I don't like her, she has gone against the party whip before, and she isn't in a safe Tory seat by any means.


 
Posted : 15/09/2020 9:34 am
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I listened to Boris getting his arse handed to him by Ed Miliband. Watching it is even better.

Like a naughty schoolboy who’s just been told that, no, I don’t believe the dog ate your homework

Yeah, but that wasn’t the look of someone getting angry over something that actually matters to him. It wasn’t even the look of someone who is narked because he has been shown up for being lazy and useless.

That look said to me “I don’t give a shit what you’re saying or that I can’t answer it. I’m out of here in less than six months, then I am untouchable”.

I don’t think I could ever tire of punching that ugly gloating mug. The only way I would consider stopping is if I could divert my attentions onto Cummings.

Bagsy second in the queue!

Boris looked drunk or stoned to me. Glassy eyes, wandering focus, wobbly head etc. He definitely wasn't focussed on the job in hand.


 
Posted : 15/09/2020 9:49 am
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He never is.

The joy of Millbands demolition job was that Alok Sharma was meant to be delivering that speech who gets through anything by sending everyone to sleep.

But once the lazy egomaniac found out that Starmer was absent he thought he'd get an easier ride off Milliband and get away with just doing his usual bullshit and bluster routine.

Boy, did he get that one wrong

John Crace's summary in the Guardian is particularly good

Ed Miliband revels in making Boris Johnson look like a second-rate conman


 
Posted : 15/09/2020 10:04 am
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I believe the real problem is that the paper based system doesn't actually exist at the scale that will be needed either.

https://twitter.com/adampayne26/status/1305978647061434370


 
Posted : 16/09/2020 9:15 am
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Just starting on R4 now, 'More Or Less'.

Another bullshit free takedown of Boris's bullshit.


 
Posted : 16/09/2020 10:04 am
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I believe the real problem is that the paper based system doesn’t actually exist at the scale that will be needed either.

But it is 'world-beating', yes?

I expect something Cummings is working on is a new catchphrase for stuff that inevitably turns out to be shit. People are already widely using 'world-beating' in a sarcastic way.

Whatever next?

'Gold Standard'?

'Premier'?

Policy announcements as hand carwash options.


 
Posted : 16/09/2020 11:17 am
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But it is ‘world-beating’, yes?

You misheard... they said 'beta', not 'beating'.


 
Posted : 16/09/2020 11:24 am
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Logistics UK says it learned today that the Smart Freight System being developed by the government for handling cross-border trade won’t be ready for Jan

Well, who'd have thunk it? A government IT project behind schedule? Did they mention which January they were referring too? 2030? 2035? No mention of the inevitable cost increases? What do we reckon? triple the original estimate? quadruple?


 
Posted : 16/09/2020 11:26 am
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Well, who’d have thunk it? A government IT project behind schedule? Did they mention which January they were referring too? 2030? 2035? No mention of the inevitable cost increases? What do we reckon? triple the original estimate? quadruple?

I'm sure someone will be along on January 2nd to say that it will be ready 'within weeks', and 'world-beating' as well.


 
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