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Again… can we keep it on topic please?
I know there’s nothing you love more than talking about me, but the rest of us are bored with it.
Keep it for the common room
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You're such a ****ing hypocrite.
Gave me a laugh though.
My Irish mates are in stitches about this. At least they had the IRA to get rid of this imbred shower of shite we call the English ruling class.
Exactly, the only weapons we have are social media know-it-alls, dyswidt😁👊
I read today that the twice daily cargo ship from Dublin to Cherbourg will move to 4 times a day. Maybe a very long tunnel might help.
On behalf of everyone already balancing eating with heating costs this winter… screw you.
100%.
That is to every nasty little xenophobe who voted for this crap.
anyone surprised about a substantial funding cut?
Nope. I'm just waiting for most of Wales to realise that we are going to be dealt the same stinky sandwich now that the EU funds are gone. Just one infrastructure project currently ongoing, the Heads Of The Valleys improvements, will swallow up the whole WAG budget for the next 10-15 years and that was previously from the EU pot that built loads of lovely motorways all over Spain. There will genuinely be nothing left for the whole country unless Westminster matches the lost EU funding and more for the next 20 years. The people cannot claim ignorance on who was building it either, there are signs at almost every junction stating: "EU funds: Investing In Wales".
It will be painful for decades to come.
reluctantjumper
Full MemberThere will genuinely be nothing left for the whole country unless Westminster matches the lost EU funding and more for the next 20 years.
Spoiler: They won't.
But here’s the rub. After securing the vaccine in principle, they’re going to **** up the distribution and delivery because they are inept and they’re going to tender out a lot of the logistics to their corner-cutting, bullshitting mates.
You're just making that up.
At this point, yes. But nobody's going to be at all surprised if it happens. After all Track and Trace was, up til now, the absolute most important non-healthcare part of the covid response and they contracted that out at huge cost to a company that just didn't do the job.
You’re just making that up.
Yes.
But do look at the UK government track record.
And strangely, I can imagine this pretty much word for word.
https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/boris-johnson-to-remember-its-brexit-deadline-day-at-about-4pm-20201211203433
Matches the reports of his general crassness and stupidity at the dinner with Ursula von der Leyen earlier in the week.
Given that gps have refused to distribute the vaccine due to the impossible contract conditions imposed on them it's already happening
@reluctantjumper - it’s worse than that. My understanding is that WG are currently arguing with Westminster about who should administer any funding. Currently EU funding decisions are devolved; Westmonster now want to take control of that process. I assume so they can divert funds to their mates not the places that need it.
I'm feeling really angry today, going to spend a few weeks venting I think.
Apathy from the know-it-alls over the last few decades has got us here, it's unforgivable really. Sharp shock needed to wake a few up. Time for real change👍
Given that gps have refused to distribute the vaccine due to the impossible contract conditions imposed on them it’s already happening
Didn't know that but not surprised. Can you elaborate?
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/dec/11/gp-practices-england-opt-out-covid-vaccine-rollout
Basically the terms of the contract are such that its impossible to fulfill without breaching the main GP contract. Deliberately set up to fail so that they then can blame GPs for failure
Sharp shock needed to wake a few up.
@exsee, I've found it very hard to decipher your posts but the argument seems to be the same as Arron Banks, but for some utterly inexplicable reason, you think that the poor and disadvantaged will be the ones to benefit from 'creative destruction'. Or maybe, you are one of the very large proportion of brexiters who don't care that they will be badly hurt by brexit, as long as some of the people more fortunate than them are hurt too - destructive destruction is what they want, and the more destructive the better.
Yeah I'm speculating, but do you honestly think I'm going to be proven wrong? They'll try to blame everyone else, again, but they'll **** it up.
Hope you get what you wish for (if only you knew what that meant).
Slightly trolling thumbs up incoming...
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And anyway, I'd like real radical change too. I'd like to see a requirement to sit an IQ test prior to be given a vote. We wouldn't be in this mess if we did.
Radical change - mine is just as valid as yours.
Put me in charge - that would be real radical change!
I see the Daily Heil, displaying its usual level of cultural sensitivity, has gone into full fascist mode to blame ‘Zee Germans’ for all this, presumably after their car makers didn’t ride to the rescue after all?
Meanwhile, back in the real world:
https://twitter.com/andrew_adonis/status/1338012307021033472?s=21
The people cannot claim ignorance on who was building it either, there are signs at almost every junction stating: “EU funds: Investing In Wales”.
Signs can be disappeared even more easily than the truth about bendy bananas. And anyway, this isn’t 1996 or even 2016. It’s nearly 2021. Everything has changed. Memories are short and easily polluted.
You’re just making that up.
Considering we have the most expensive test & trace system in Europe, and they're Still not even close to contacting enough people to make it work (only got 65% last week! )
You'd have to be desperately naive to think they won't screw up vaccine delivery somehow
We don't have anywhere near enough of the more effective Pfizer one, but the government's PR machine has already given people false hope on that one
the Heads Of The Valleys improvements, will swallow up the whole WAG budget for the next 10-15 years and that was previously from the EU pot that built loads of lovely motorways all over Spain.
I’m arms-length involved in that project, don’t be surprised if it falls to the wayside as it’s taken 4 months to progress from a potential contact award to the civil engineering companies involved, to not much further. I reckon a no deal will see it postponed then cancelled.
We don’t have anywhere near enough of the more effective Pfizer one, but the government’s PR machine has already given people false hope on that one
This government doesn't have a PR machine. It works out what lies will get them through the next 24 hours. That's it.
This government doesn’t have a PR machine
It grinds out daily via backers and/or proxy.
Express, Mail, Times, Telegraph, Sun. Talk Radio. Parler. Youtube. Etc Even the BBC offers ‘balance’ of truth with a preponderance of outright lies, conspiracy and RW propaganda - and yet the BBC may still wonder why it is that the BBC enjoys the popular/populist view of it being the main communist arm of some kind of left-wing plot to displace white heterosexual Hard Working Families™ to be replaced them with swarthy foreign criminals, scroungers, murderers and rapists ahead of a (((globalist))) takeover plot.
To paraphrase:
Vote Conservative and keep Britain from turning into a pit of foreign communism. Details to be worked out. Bring Back Britain.
^ This is the PR machine. Along with a few three-word slogans that get churned out.
After doing some reading overnight it thinks it’s important to remind that the impact isn’t just uk focused. A fair few country’s - France, Spain, Denmark, Belgium and also Germany to a lesser extent will be hit hard by the UK’s exit. The negotiation isn’t all about the UK, it’s about some of those countries leaders helping to ensure they don’t suffer too hard for the UK’s exit.
Although the situation isn’t great for us, it reminds me and provide some confidence that it’s not just Johnson seeking a deal against an adversary, they have a stake in the game to ensure an appropriate exit as well to lessen the impact on their economies by ensure import and export trade and relations with the UK
TDLR; there is more than one person trying to get this right; it’s not just Michael Barnier and little old us.
If only Brexit were just a "Carry On" film . . . . . .
Johnson is "not trying to get this right"
What he is trying to do is to ensure no deal and to blame the EU
Obvious things like Frosts handgrenade about ownership of fishing boats - chucked in when it looks like a deal is possible in order to sabotage it.
There was indeed a report on the effect of Brexit on French businesses on Europe 1 this morning. Tens of thousands of businesses will be dealing with more paperwork and tarifs which will make their products more expensive in the UK (and that's even if the pound doesn't take a further dive). But given there will still be demand for those products businesses are looking at an as yet unknown reduction in demand in what for most is only a samll part of their total business. It's an irritation rather then existential, it's 67/510 of the EU 28 that are going to be harder to reach, 445 million remain easy business.
I think the idea, as with the German car makers is that even if there's less demand their business models will still work because you only have to look at petrol head threads on here to know that +/- three grand (or £30 a month) isn't going to stop most Audi buyers/leasers ordering their next Audi. The last wine I bought in the UK was a Cru Bourgeois Bordeaux at £16, I'd have still bought the same bottle at over £20. The Pound has lost about 20% over the last five years and that hasn't resulted in a boom for Nissan or a crash in German car sales.
You think so TJ?
I just think he’s utterly inept. It’s feasible that if he showed good will & eased on fishing then the EU would ease on their demands. Successful negotiations, IME, hinge on goodwill. Though BJ has repeatedly shown none or little..
I also don’t think BJ’s fragile ego could take the consequences of no-deal & I’m also fairly sure his political career (or the future of the Torys) could either. No-deal has the upside of making life easier for Labour, but we’ll have to wait a few more years for that..
Johnson is “not trying to get this right”
No but others are. My point is thats its easy to sit in the UK and think its an uneven David & Goliath situation and all is lost, where we have a 5yo David sulking over the lack of milk on his cheerios. But actually Goliath is feeling pretty shaky about getting smacked in the face and trying to work things out.
It'll be a no deal after today for sure, but all the member states will want an extended negotiation period to get something other than a complete knockout blow.
This government doesn’t have a PR machine. It works out what lies will get them through the next 24 hours. That’s it.
You could actually argue that what we have at present is a ruling cabal that is PR Machine first and a government a very distant second.
Does anyone else see the mucky fingerprints of certain Mr D Cummings all over the events of the last week? I don't believe for a second that after his very public exit from Downing Street, that was the end of it and he's no longer the one pulling the strings
It’s feasible that if he showed good will & eased on fishing then the EU would ease on their demands
Deliberately sabotaged by Frost at the last minute unilaterally altering what counts as a british fishing boat. done deliberately to sabotage any chance of a deal
The EU side are looking for a deal. the UK side are not unless the deal is cake and eat it. Total refusal to reduce any demands that the EU cannot accept and any time a compromise looks likely throw a hand grenade ( Fishing boat ownership and internal markets bill being two most obvious)
As soon as Frost was made the UK negotiator this became clear as Frost is a brexit fundamentalist.
What's telling for me is the public face of 'looking pretty much like a no deal' rather than 'we're doing everything we can to secure a deal that works as well as possible for everyone'.
I see no willingness on the UK administration's part to really try and reach a solution.
Just on the basis of not worrying yourself sick, I found this on the BBC new website:
<b class="css-14iz86j-BoldText e5tfeyi0">Long queues for lorries </b>are possible because there would be more border checks. The UK is delaying having full checks for goods arriving from the EU until 1 July. But it is feared EU lorry drivers might want to avoid the UK altogether if there are long delays.
So thats six months grace for customs, food supplies issues to be sorted.
To Mr Lebowski - very occasional poster here, posting from Europe. Fishing isn't really the sticking point, it's the level playing field concept. Fishing can be negotiated +-5%, the other can't , and it has to be done right as the EU don't trust Britain anymore.
I tihnk fundamentally the UK doesn't really understand what the EU wants, needs - that's why it's shown as a bad thing and betrayal that Merkel and Macron won't speak to Johnson one on one. It's not a trick, they are speaking as one voice via the negotiation team, as has always been the case. But the British just don't get it
I VERY rarely read anything the Fail (On Sunday) publishes, but this caught my eye, and terrifyingly illustrates why the government don't need to do any PR. I won't link and give them any more traffic, but some selected excerpts of their view of the situation...
Most of us have been in no doubt over who is to blame for the obstacles and burning barricades blocking our route to a viable trade deal.
Emmanuel Macron, the sharp-suited, sharp-nosed President of France, has been in the vanguard of those wanting to punish Britain for daring to leave. Desperate to preserve the advantages enjoyed by French fishermen. Desperate to be the saviour of the whole European project.
However, Macron is by no means alone in conducting this unpleasant campaign of sabotage. For, as The Mail on Sunday explains today, his sensibly-suited counterpart in Germany, Angela Merkel, has played her own discreditable role.
Yet it is Merkel who has completely failed to understand Great Britain and misjudged it – and it is she who must take prime responsibility for the EU's calamitous negotiating stance. It is, in part, a personal matter.
Angela Merkel is the daughter of a Lutheran pastor.
Known as Mutti – or Mummy – to voters, her formative years were in East Germany, the Communist state ruled over by the Stasi.
Like others, she belonged the Free German Youth (FDJ), the official communist youth movement.
Rectitude and certainty pour from her. And she has no time for Boris Johnson, a man she dismisses – with remarkable condescension – as no more than a dissembler and a libertine.
Despite his huge parliamentary majority and the certainty that he speaks for millions, she refuses to trust the Prime Minister or believe him. And, however calmly she projects herself before the cameras, she has been utterly unbending behind closed doors.
We have seen Merkel's handiwork before.
In 2016, our then Prime Minister, David Cameron, paid a last-ditch visit to Brussels to negotiate a better arrangement with the EU ahead of the referendum.
Authoritarian while presenting herself as a champion of liberty. Feted as uniquely insightful, yet wildly off-beam in her most basic political calculations.
In 2016, Merkel believed that the EU must be seen to be rigidly inflexible and that Cameron must be given no new concessions for fear that other nations might demand flexibility in turn.
But – and not for the first time – it was a huge miscalculation. Despite mounting evidence that British voters were fed up, Merkel refused to believe that we would leave. A major error and a dereliction of her duty to understand her counterparts.
Today we see the same pattern – bad advice combined with belligerence. Once again, the German Chancellor has started from the assumption that Britain will not leave the EU without a deal. Once again, she has refused to believe the clearest possible assertions from the Prime Minister that we will.
The advice that Merkel received from her side was that Boris was bluffing. And so she resumed her role as unbending negotiator.
Doubtless, she believes that Britain will move her way. Doubtless, as in 2016, she is completely wrong.
This is not the first time she has been accused of behind-the-scenes manipulation. According to a 2013 biography, Merkel was no mere cultural officer of the Free German Youth, but a higher ranking 'Agitation and Propaganda functionary' – claims she has never openly denied.
Whatever the truth, we can be certain that Merkel has received provably wrong advice at every step of the way in the Brexit negotiations – and acted upon it. And it is her failure to understand this country that now makes a No Deal departure so likely.
Were she truly a pragmatist, she would have tried to make these negotiations work. A good and workable UK-EU trade deal would be to the benefit of the whole continent.
Millions of people across the EU work in businesses which need access to our markets. Any reasonable and pragmatic EU leader would have the livelihoods of those people in mind and negotiated on their behalf.
Instead, the EU stance is both immoderate and unstable. And that derives from the qualities for which she has been so often lauded. An inflexibility. An authoritarian efficiency. An instinctive distrust of her negotiating partners.
Push them and they will crumble, is the advice she has been doling out to the EU leaders. And they have pushed. But there is no evidence that we will crumble.
What has crumbled is the reputation of the Chancellor as the fair-minded pragmatist. She is no such thing. Mutti is an ideologue who destroys the very things she is meant to be protecting.
Now, I'm no historian (although I'm married to one and did study Modern History at A Level), but I recognise this type of article and the tricks and language it uses (thinly veiled racist comments about appearance and character really stand out), and I really hope we aren't headed where this kind of stuff took others...
We have become such a small country and it makes me angry.
Cookeaa, surely the responsibility goes to the know-it-alls not the know-nothings?
Do you really mean "Responsibility" or is it more like plain old "Blame"? Also I'm not clear who you mean by "know-it-alls"...
If it's responsibility you're interested in, then I think basically everyone shares a bit, from those too apathetic to vote, to those too certain remain would win to bother engaging with the "thickies" to persuade them that Brexit was a bad thing. The architects of the vote and the leave campaigners and yes those who ultimately voted for an ill defined choice to "leave the EU" without really considering what that would entail...
The thing with responsibility is it's only got value if those it applies to accept it... Lots never will so it's a waste of energy.
If it's just blame you want to dish out, anyone who voted leave will do for that, but like many "remoaners" I'm just too fatigued by the circular arguments now.
My point stands though, very few of them voted expecting what we face today, this isn't what was described on the ballot or by the brexiteers, it was of couse forecast by the remain side and dismissed by at least 52% of voters...
So welcome to "Project Fear".
Turns out being able to say told you so isn't half as satisfying when you're stuck on the same sinking ship...
You really couldn't make it up, the know-it-alls can see the future and they are really concerned for the poor, why didn't they act on these super powers 20 years ago?
Busy building the pension portfolio no doubt.
Helllloooo, how many living in poverty with the system they created? We need real change👊
I'm hoping they get a wake up call we need them 'doing' rather than chasing the Thatcher dream.
They didn't understand it the day after the referendum and they still don't get it. Their philosophy for everything is to divide and rule. Sow division everywhere, turn people against each other, then take advantage of the splintering and negotiate with small disparate groups from a position of strength
The whole concept of a united front, mutual trust and cooperation is so alien to them (look at their own personal relationships, for example) that they simply can't grasp it.
They view everything through the prism of their own limitless greed and sociopathic selfishness and wrongly assume that everyone else shares their cynical worldview
I can see the benefits of ranting on here, good to get it off the chest.
We need change people🙏
@exsee, you are still being quite opaque. But it does look as if the know-it-alls that you keep talking about are the remainers, who didn't vote for this shitshow, and who have pointed out that poor people who did vote for it are not going to benefit. The 'wake up call' you want to see is the full or partial destruction of our economy, our democracy, such as it is, and our social fabric. As I said earlier, destructive destruction. And somehow you expect something better to arise out of the ruins - or maybe you just want to watch the world burn. Sort of 'if I can't have what I want, then nobody can'.
Busy building the pension portfolio no doubt.
Busy trying to earn a living, look after their families, pay their taxes and if there's anything left over, pay for a bike or two.
WTF are you on about exsee?
Apathy from the know-it-alls
Who are the know-it-alls? Genuine question.
Sky News just breaking that Johnson and Ursula Von der Leyen have agreed that negotiations will go on after today to try and get it sorted be fore Jan 1.
A glimmer of a deal?
To Mr Lebowski – very occasional poster here, posting from Europe. Fishing isn’t really the sticking point, it’s the level playing field concept. Fishing can be negotiated +-5%, the other can’t , and it has to be done right as the EU don’t trust Britain anymore.
Indeed yes, so it would be easy to concede on fishing to gain on the level playing field IMHO..
However, fishing is totemic aka sovereignty so BJ won’t budge & the rest of the country producing the remaining 99.98% GDP gets screwed.
If it’s responsibility you’re interested in, then I think basically everyone shares a bit, from those too apathetic to vote, to those too certain remain would win to bother engaging with the “thickies” to persuade them that Brexit was a bad thing. The architects of the vote and the leave campaigners and yes those who ultimately voted for an ill defined choice to “leave the EU” without really considering what that would entail…
A lot of truth in that, sadly.
My question to excee is simpler, what was your pseudo before July last year?
I'm assuming you're a leave voting troll exsee here, feel free to correct me of course.
You really couldn’t make it up, the know-it-alls can see the future and they are really concerned for the poor, why didn’t they act on these super powers 20 years ago?
Whoever you think these "know-it-alls" are you were warned about the dangers of Brexit four years ago by "remainers" on both the left and right of mainstream politics...
Busy building the pension portfolio no doubt.
Helllloooo, how many living in poverty with the system they created? We need real change👊
I’m hoping they get a wake up call we need them ‘doing’ rather than chasing the Thatcher dream.
Thatcherites? Free-market fans of deregulation? They're going to absolutely love Brexit, especially a no deal version... Who do you think the ERG are?
You really think you stuck it to the elite by voting leave? You replaced one old Etonian Tory with a slightly less trustworthy old Etonian Tory... Way to smash those establishment power structures!
I agree real change is needed but to paraphrase our current PM a bad change is worse than no change at all...
those too certain remain would win to bother engaging with the “thickies” to persuade them that Brexit was a bad thing
Everyone I mixed with was so convinced Stay was good that I could not believe the result.
Nothing those Eton millionaires hate more than getting more money and being able to do what they want with no interference or consequences, you've beaten them on every level exsee.
There were numerous attempts to explain why Leave was a bad idea. Quite a detailed pamphlet was produced and mailed to everyone as I recall.
I also recall the Leave-voting idiot in our office (she of 'I'm not eating that muck' fame) dismissing it with the words "I'm not reading that boring waffle".
To engage, you need something to work with.
we have at present is a ruling cabal that is PR Machine first and a government a very distant second
This is key. Especially as regards Brexit… a project that will take 10-20 years to complete… and with a government who promised (lied) that they could “get it out of the way”. Their supporters in the press are pushing that the giant leap backwards… no deal in Jan… somehow gets the project done… where as in fact it is just more can kicking and avoiding the very real choices that need to be made.
We need
changemass forced sterilisation people🙏
FTFY
@ferrals I'd forgotten about that issue, smacks of a power grab for personal gains.
Signs can be disappeared even more easily than the truth about bendy bananas. And anyway, this isn’t 1996 or even 2016. It’s nearly 2021. Everything has changed. Memories are short and easily polluted.
There are a LOT of those signs everywhere, it's amazing how many industrial units, retail parks, road improvements and public buildings throughout Wales have been done with EU funds. Even the Welsh Leave campaign HQ was displaying one until they covered it up.
There were numerous attempts to explain why Leave was a bad idea. Quite a detailed pamphlet was produced and mailed to everyone as I recall.
Sort of illustrates the point, love or loathe them the Brexiteers had simple punchy, diverse messaging dialed in at every level.
Exsee for example seems to have swallowed the "Brexit will smash the elites" story...
I'm afraid the remain messages were simply not as concise or well pitched, and managed to defeat themselves by seeming preachy and paternalistic to groups who were really not receptive to such Comms, plus many of us remainers moved in quite remainy circles, so there was a definite class/region/age element that wasn't fully understood by the remain campaign too...
@reluctantjumper - yes, its concerning, I have a feeling very little money will be finding its way to Wales with its persistant labour voting. Back at the time of the referendum I did a back-of-a-fag-packet-that-happened-to-be-an-excel-spreadsheet calculation and found that for every pound Wales contributed to the EU, we got £1.17 back. Problem is leave-inclined people just dismissed it as 'it's not about the money.'
Now it's crunch-time, the resignation I've felt for the past few years is reverting back to fury.
Thatcherites? Free-market fans of deregulation? They’re going to absolutely love Brexit, especially a no deal version… Who do you think the ERG are?
Deregulation is what this whole thing is all about.
Ignore absolutely everything else. It's just noise. £350 million for the NHS, fishing rights, Sovereignty... forget all of it. Its irrelevent. all just white noise. All distractions and red herrings
The only thing the Brexiteers care about is freeing the UK from EU regulation. This is so they can then jettison EU standards on workers' rights, environmental controls, food standards etc, etc, etc
They will then set up the UK as a sweatshop tax haven off the coast of mainland Europe, undercutting their costs. They want an end to anything that puts any restrictions at all on 'the market'. Complete wild west deregulation. A Singapore on Thames.
The EU knows this full well. They know exactly what Boris and chums are planning on doing. And they're not having it. Why would they?
This is why this is completely irreconcilable. The EU insists on regulatory alignment and will not budge on that. Not an inch. It is an absolute red line
But the only reason the UK government are doing this is to end regulatory alignment for good and allow them to diverge in the most dramatic way imaginable in a race to the bottom. Otherwise, why bother?
That is why from the 24th June 2016, the only possible outcome was No Deal. Any ‘negotiations’ have just been a charade.
All this now is just delaying the inevitable. No deal is the only way this can end. A completely acrimonious rupture ushering in an era of incredibly hostile and aggressive undercutting of the rest of the EU by the UK as it tears up the regulations
This will all be to the enormous detriment of the vast majority of people in this country, but massively profitable for the tiny minority of the usual suspects who have funded all this and are now impatiently awaiting their big payday where they get to end the ‘post-war settlement’ once and for all
Deregulation is what this whole thing is all about.
I know, thanks for the furious agreement...
Nothing those Eton millionaires hate more than getting more money and being able to do what they want with no interference or consequences, you’ve beaten them on every level exsee.
I believe the phrase is 'useful idiots'.
🤦♂️
I agree @binners - they would sell the fish down the river if needed.
It's why it's so laughable when they say the UK will have greater environmental protection, for example, after Brexit. If our standards were going to be higher, the level playing field wouldn't be an issue.
I agree @binners – they would sell the fish down the river if needed.
It’s why it’s so laughable when they say the UK will have greater environmental protection, for example, after Brexit. If our standards were going to be higher, the level playing field wouldn’t be an issue.
Of course.
It is basically an international-level insider trade. A one off heist by a few people who are already very rich indeed.
No need for any pesky analysis or monitoring or nasty old risk when you get to control the shock. Then you just take a position against the economy accordingly and it's champers and caviar all the way.
And the best bit is the laughs you can have knowing you got the people who are going to be worst affected to vote for it willingly!
What a lark.
We have become such a small country and it makes me angry.
Yup.
Jingoistic. Small & narrow minded.
It’s champers and caviar all the way. And the best bit is the laughs you can have knowing you got the people who are going to be worst affected to vote for it willingly!
I swear that The Hunger Games films were simply a documentary set in the future.
That's what it will come down to. A vastly rich elite living in luxury and then the rest of the proles who can be stopped from actually rioting by pushing those riots into useful and entertaining ways of fighting each other.
thanks for sharing that is absolutely horrifying
At that point I hadn't seen the front page headline. Absolutely unbelievable dog whistle...
Who are the know-it-alls? Genuine question.
I don’t know.
That rules me out.
I don’t know either.
Great to see that Johnson is taking “personal control” over our no deal preparations. There was me worrying that he’d just take most of December off, and then come back in January to join in the delight we will all be partaking in about just how damn well we prepared for the scenario he, his foreign secretary, his chancellor, and his cabinet office secret deputy PM told us all… the voters, the civil service, and businesses… would almost certainly never come about. It’s amazing just how ready we all happen to be for something that was, in Johnson’s own words… a “million-to-one” chance… so recently.
...come back in January to join in the delight we will all be partaking in...
Yeah, is there still a Festival of Brexit planned? And where are these celebratory 50p pieces?
I'm looking forward to needing 30 of them to buy a loaf of bread.
First words in the MoS front page 'boris johnson has seized personal control...' should strike terror in the UK and be a source of both joy and amusement in the EU.
First words in the MoS front page ‘boris johnson has seized personal control…’ should strike terror in the UK and be a source of both joy and amusement in the EU.
Let's face it, we are a laughing stock being led by an international joke. Everyone else sees us as such, but as with all these things it is much more entertaining when the butt of the joke is still taking themselves seriously.
What a ridiculous little pantomime act we have become.
At some point you just have to accept that a whole lot of stupid people (encouraged by a lot of dishonest people) shat the bed, and try to make the best of it.
Kryton57
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Sky News just breaking that Johnson and Ursula Von der Leyen have agreed that negotiations will go on after today to try and get it sorted be fore Jan 1.A glimmer of a deal?
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You have just made my Sunday K57.Been avoiding media so I don't see rugby scores.
try and get it sorted before Jan 1
So, if they’re successful, we can prepare and test our systems for 2021 arrangements on… 1st Jan?
Pantomime indeed
The news websites dutifully running with this staged shoyt of Johnson, hair mussed up, collar open, fake phone call...
Hes working his arse off to get us a great sovereign red white & blue deal, staring down the EU & winning!!
What legendary patriot he is
^ Nope, if anything I am more openly vocal about calling the Brexit ****wits exactly what I think of them now.
It’s all just a big game.
Except no-one really wins anything.
Everyone kicks the Brexit can down the road for 5 years, and then the Germans win.
Deregulation is what this whole thing is all about.
Ignore absolutely everything else. It’s just noise. £350 million for the NHS, fishing rights, Sovereignty… forget all of it. Its irrelevent. all just white noise. All distractions and red herrings
The only thing the Brexiteers care about is freeing the UK from EU regulation. This is so they can then jettison EU standards on workers’ rights, environmental controls, food standards etc, etc, etc
They will then set up the UK as a sweatshop tax haven off the coast of mainland Europe, undercutting their costs. They want an end to anything that puts any restrictions at all on ‘the market’. Complete wild west deregulation. A Singapore on Thames.
The EU knows this full well. They know exactly what Boris and chums are planning on doing. And they’re not having it. Why would they?
This is why this is completely irreconcilable. The EU insists on regulatory alignment and will not budge on that. Not an inch. It is an absolute red line
But the only reason the UK government are doing this is to end regulatory alignment for good and allow them to diverge in the most dramatic way imaginable in a race to the bottom. Otherwise, why bother?
That is why from the 24th June 2016, the only possible outcome was No Deal. Any ‘negotiations’ have just been a charade.
All this now is just delaying the inevitable. No deal is the only way this can end. A completely acrimonious rupture ushering in an era of incredibly hostile and aggressive undercutting of the rest of the EU by the UK as it tears up the regulations
This will all be to the enormous detriment of the vast majority of people in this country, but massively profitable for the tiny minority of the usual suspects who have funded all this and are now impatiently awaiting their big payday where they get to end the ‘post-war settlement’ once and for all
Damnably well written Binners.