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We will be in touch
When they’re standing in a 3hr queue at the airport
They won't be doing that for a while, since we'll be banned from Europe as of Jan 1st for Covid reasons.
Welcome to the UK of the future.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/sep/10/argentina-economic-crisis-imf-debt-default
Yeah - not a good time to be a Shorthaul airline pilot 😣
The only difference between the English and a baby having it's candyfloss taken from it is that the baby knows it.
This is what a decade of Tory rule looks like. Vast incompetence, corruption (though it's rebanded the nicer sounded 'chumocracy'), economic disaster and international humiliation.
Brexit/Tories you really are utter ****s. The worst thing is FPTP, the bewildered herd and the Toxic Press will likely see you gain power again and again until you run this country into the ground. Not far too go now.
<rant over>
Like watching your team getting battered and conceding a superb goal: Nicely played by the EU - tying the availability of contingency access plans to the UK conceding on key areas (fishing).
Pick that one out of the back of the net, Boz.
But, but, but we ARE special.
Our empire spanned the globe and we won the war*.
Why won't other countries let us do whatever we want without any downside?
It is just SO unfair.
*Very bravely and correctly stood alone for 15-18 months until the US and USSR got dragged in on our side.
A family run chemical business has just been interviewed on Radio 4. In the event of a no deal Brexit then complying with the EU regulations that they presently do anyway will then cost them an additional £1.5 million
All dead money, totally wasted
Ken Clarke has just been interviewed and reckons Boris will go for no deal because more than anything he fears criticism from the ERG, his opinion is that to do that ‘will take this country back 50 years’
Complete and utter ****ing lunacy!
might start a business that specialises in boarding up shops and buildings.
its going to be boom time with the riots and shops shutting up as they've gone bust.
I still think Johnson wants to proclaim a deal at the last minute
I could be wrong & I'm hopelessly optimistic about stuff, but he just likes to be centre of attention
Kimbers - he can't do that now because the red lines of the ERG and the EU are so incompatible
very really worry that you are wrong Kimbers. I wasnt to agree but they making a lot of noise about sovereignty....they'll use that as the reason for no deal. Sovereignty trumps the jobs and food.
Not sure the EU come into it… we have two red lines… we want to be able to drop new standards, and we don’t want the EU to be able to restrict our access if/when we do. One of those redlines needs to be dropped at our end… there is nothing the EU can do to help us with that. I have no idea if that conundrum has been created to force a no deal situation, or if it is a genuine attempt to obtain the impossible. Either way, it looks like it’s going to be either be no deal, or a Tory revolt.
Reading and listening to multiple reports about this totally avoidable mess catastrophe is just turning me off from posting about it.
A interesting question to johnson and his apologists would be...can you explain how we will benefit ('prosper mightily') from leaving the EU and quantify the benefits you claim we will enjoy?
On a different note, I see kwasi karting has been appointed as 'construction minister' following zahawi's move to become the vaccinator.
If he doesn't change his condescending, patronising attitude he will make no progress with the major construction companies - the very people he will need on his side.
He will be unrelatable and I wonder how long before he is reminded about Brittania Unchained which he co-authored with raab, truss, patel and skidmore (he sank without trace) and in particular this gem from the book...
"Once they enter the workplace, the British are among the worst idlers in the world"
Justify that one to construction leaders.
Despite the huge majority, the ERG tail is still wagging the Tory dog.
Has any minor sect within a political party ever had such a hugely disproportionate influence on a countries governance?
I wouldn’t mind, but every last one of them is as thick as mince
Once they enter the workplace, the British are among the worst idlers in the world”
In fairness how many of us should be working now (puts up hand).
The dinner last night was the end of talks on a proper deal, it's too late for that, Brexit is only a minor topic in today's European summit according to Von de Leyen interviewed earlier so the idea of a full deal before 31/12 is history. The talks till Sunday will be about the terms of temporary agreements to keep business moving. There's already the offer of a 6 month transport agreement in exchange for a level playing field.
The problem is that very few people have got to grips with what a total no deal looks like. It's always been assumed that would be a deal of some kind because a total no deal means all those things that people said would never happen happen: no more UK flights, trucks, busses or trains in Europe with what that entails in terms of supply chains.
So between now and Sunday something needs to be concocted that isn't a deal as such but prevents the UK being cut off commercially until a deal can be reached or systems are put in place that means a deal isn't necessary, with a total no deal the problem won't be trucks queueing at ports because most of them won't be allowed to use the ports.
So they'll announce something on Sunday as a deal but it'll be minimalistic and temporary.
I think even that is unlikely Edukator.
Strangely Covid is playing into the governments hands. There would normally be 10s of thousands booked onto flights for ski holidays in Europe but that won't be happening as most of the resorts are shut. Normally there would be full trains, busses and ferries taking people to family but that won't be happening. If there is a time when a no deal can be allowed to happen without very visible and instant consequences it's now.
Even with a complete no deal there would be very little for the media to show us. Trucks in yards, people at home, planes on the ground, empty terminals and ferries - how dull.
@edukator - arrangements for dealing with some of the things you mention can be arranged unilaterally and the EU are doing that (as is the UK I think). Clearly there is scope for co-ordination of such measures, but that also does not require agreement.
I got a leaflet today from my local Conservative candidate telling me that the only thing that matters now is recovering from Covid, and that we can't afford any distractions or uncertainty at all, such as any future scottish independence referendum. Brexit? What's a brexit? Never heard of it.
Also, we all have to work together, while simultanoeously slagging off everything the scottish government does. This ironically is the only thing that the Lib Dems and Labour can agree on- they're all up for working together to help the country, except for with the government or each other
Edukator
Free MemberStrangely Covid is playing into the governments hands. There would normally be 10s of thousands booked onto flights for ski holidays in Europe but that won’t be happening as most of the resorts are shut. Normally there would be full trains, busses and ferries taking people to family but that won’t be happening. If there is a time when a no deal can be allowed to happen without very visible and instant consequences it’s now.
All true but none of it as important as it being their universal excuse for the financial harm.
Strangely Covid is playing into the governments hands.
Only in the very short term, couple of months. COVID will make no-deal Brexit much worse, and the Tories own that.
A clip I saw on twitter, there won't be food shortages, you'll just have to get used to reduced choice and increased prices.
From the member of johnson's govt who didn't know that a huge proportion of UK's food imports arrive through Dover...
Raab acknowledged there could be "some bumps along the road" but said he was "not concerned about either supermarket cupboards running bare or food prices".
He really is a complete cock.
It's ok, we've have one thing that was worth it all.
Middle_oab and his Brexshit win.
he was “not concerned about either supermarket cupboards running bare or food prices”.
Because he already shops somewhere exclusive and the larder is well stocked with game, unlike the plebs who still use kwicksave each week.
He isn't concerned about anything other than feathering his own nest to a level previously unthinkable for a thick prat like him.
Unthinkable until we stepped through the Brexit Looking Glass into a world where being thick/cynical is the prime requirement for a cabinet post.
It is enough to make me really quite cross.
Someone summed it up, up there ^^^ perfectly. It really is very sad to watch the country you live in fall apart around you. What an awful bunch of selfish money grabbing crooked backward looking bag of dicks the people in charge of this country really are. The whole lot of them in aggregate haven't got the intellectual depth to even begin to fathom one single element of the utter shit storm they have created. Lock them up and throw away the key.
I really do worry for future generations of my family and if I could get out now and move somewhere else I would do it in a heartbeat. It is **** ing embarrassing.
Oh,look - Johnson says there's a strong possibility of no deal. Who could have seen that coming?
Boris has just said "a strong possibility" of no a no deal. No S@***@!@!@T Sherlock, you complete lying @££$@!((*&^%. We a truly !@££@%%&***&*^^^^(@@£ ed.
Total ****, no chance of no deal, no deal would be a failure, easiest deal in the world, oven ready deal, holding all the cards, ah no hang on we haven't managed to do a deal. Entirely predictable but still frustrating.
Oh,look – Johnson says there’s a strong possibility of no deal. Who could have seen that coming?
Apparently forgetting the bit where he said that [url= https://www.politicshome.com/thehouse/article/it-would-be-an-abject-failure-of-statecraft-to-leave-the-eu-with-no-deal ]No Deal would be a failure of statecraft[/url].
He must have meant on the part of the EU...
Just in from the Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/10/boris-johnson-no-deal-brexit
I’m absolutely ing apoplectic watching that *ing gurning * standing there grinning like a *ing chimp and trying to tell us that an Australian style deal catastrophic *ing no deal crash out ‘needn’t be a bad thing’
Get to * you *ing lying, self-serving, corrupt incompetent *-wit!!! 😡
https://twitter.com/bbcbreaking/status/1337095688115589120?s=21
Don´t be surprised to see Boris resigning 2.01.2021
A failure of statecraft; other johnson failures - husband, father, honesty, human being.
Still reckon he's just trying to ratchet up the drama to scare the EU & masks himself look amazing if he snatches a deal at the last (& distracts from the substance of any actual deal)
I don’t doubt for a second that when it all goes tits up he’ll immediately ‘do a Dave’ and saunter off from the smouldering wreckage
Eton has a ****ing lot to answer for
Kent County Council given new powers to clamp/ fine truckers after Brexit transition. That's going to go down well.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-55264796
So, tell me sensible like, when Boris says I need to prepare myself for Jan 1, what - realistically - do I need to do as a member of Joe public? Where’s the advice?
Buy food
Actually, COVID is going to help me out in a small way. When I have to travel for work I have to go through a work permit process, even for a short time. Well, this is guaranteed to be a PITA in the first six months or so, given the people we pay to do it for us - but I'm not going to be travelling for a while still!
If you have any prescription medicine it might be worth trying to get a little extra just in case there are issues.
Wonder what having an EU passport is worth in the job market going forward?
Watch "The Road" its a pre-emptive social vision of a no deal Brexit... contains all the guidance you need.
It’s ok, we’ve have one thing that was worth it all.
Middle_oab and his Brexshit win.
Wait, we're not getting back the proper ones, made of hardboard that could effect structural repairs in a pinch with the little cutout window for the number?
That's it, I'm out.
Oh, wait.
There’s already the offer of a 6 month transport agreement in exchange for a level playing field.
Which wasn't a negotiating tactic, it was a massive two fingers, just like serving australian style pavlova at the dinner.
I've just realised why Boris won't sign onto EU standards. He thinks he can turn the UK into a low regulation cheap manufacturing and trade zone right on Europe's doorstep. So China/Singapore but less foreign. It's genius. Plenty of jobs welding up bike frames coming to a closed library bear you soon.
Might even be a nice little sideline 'arresting' EU nationals for ransom, if they go the full Beijing.
Yesterday watched yet another government department webinar on preparing for business post Brexit. At the beginning there was a poll and 65% if the people attending said they'd done no preparation. Hardly surprising.
I'm not going to waste more energy saying what I think about this government and the majority of brexiteers. I'm just glad my kids have dual English Danish nationality.
Wonder what having an EU passport is worth in the job market going forward?
If I was still in my previous career, travelling constantly but mainly within the EU, I'd have had to get one.
Cromolly - thats been obvious for a long time. Its why they will not sign up to a level playing feild
I'm starting to wonder if my dual nationality might deliver a more prosperous future and a better set of politicians.
I'm Indian by birth.
😂
mrmo
Free Member
If you have any prescription medicine it might be worth trying to get a little extra just in case there are issues.
I've already looked into that for my mother's glaucoma meds and others. Docs and pharmacy said "not a chance" basically.
I'm now officially bloody concerned to put it mildly.
cromolyolly - suggest you read Binners multiple posts about the UK being turned into a low wage, regulation free sweat shop immediately adjacent to the EU.
I hear johnson still blathering on about Australian and Canadian style deals; why can't he be clear - australian means WTO; canadian was never available and to pretend it was, could or should be is 100% delusional.
If you want to know what Brexit is REALLY all about, read this...
The American ultra-libertarian free-marketeers did it to South American economies like Argentina and Chile in the 70’s and 80’s. Boris and co are using it as a blueprint for what they’d ideally like to do. It’s never been attempted in a liberal European democracy. But this is a coup. Pure and simple.
First up you have to create a crisis. A proper one! They’ll achieve that on January 1st with a no deal crash out. As the economy goes into shock and ceases to function, just watch how fast they move in tearing up a lot of the things that we now take for granted. They won’t hang around, I promise you. They’ve got it all mapped out and are just awaiting their moment. Bye bye welfare state, workers rights, environmental controls, food standards, NHS, etc, etc..,
Be in no doubt... They’ve engineered this. They want chaos. Thus They’ve wanted Brexit to be no deal all along, as that was the only thing that could create the chaos they need to completely remodel society in the way they want.
If you want to know what they REALLY want, they’ve already published a manifesto. It’s authors are all, bar one, presently senior cabinet ministers. That’s not a coincidence
Look at those names? Fancy living in the kind of society those people want?
No.. me neither
It arrives in 3 weeks.
kwarteng, patel, raab, truss - I wouldn't trust any of them to run a bath.
Exactly.
The ‘turtle on a fence post’ theory writ large
Yet there they are. Writing government policy
Cromolly – thats been obvious for a long time. Its why they will not sign up to a level playing feild
cromolyolly – suggest you read Binners multiple posts about the UK being turned into a low wage, regulation free sweat shop immediately adjacent to the EU.
Yeah, saw those. What I had previously missed was the financial side. It takes time, supply chains and or resources to build a low wage manufacturing economy. Plus the EU, without a deal, just slaps tariffs on everything making it too expensive. Which they would drop if you agreed common regulations.
The genius part is the singapore style wild west financial side. That will be absolutely irresistible to a lot of the money in the EU, Russia, places like that. It's brilliant. I actually can't believe that these guys are smart enough to have planned this from the beginning but it's all working out quite well for them.
Look at those names? Fancy living in the kind of society those people want?
No.. me neither
Apart from the lazy research, poor understanding of how stats work and the general low quality, wouldn't get a pass at gcse writing, to be fair in the book they call for more immigration. So I'd be on board with that part.
You’re right that this lot aren’t smart enough to plan it. They’re as thick as mince. Liz Truss couldn’t find her own arse using both hands. They’re also completely corrupt.
If you want to see the brains who planned all this then take a look at the people who funded the leave campaign then bankrolled Boris’s leadership ambitions and then the Tory election campaign
Some proper dodgy bastards. Disaster capitalist financiers, all of who’m stand to make an absolute killing out of a no deal Brexit and would love to see a handy tax haven just off the coast of mainland Europe
Boris and his cabinet of dimwits know they’ll be looked after when their political careers finish next year
I wouldn't be surprised if the same people masterminded momentum as well. That organisation stinks of outside funding and slick management of social media, not something normally associated with lefty reds.
Just in case any remaining centrist voters were not won over by the tory vision of a bright new dawn, give them Corbyn as an alternative and that will seal the deal. Then watch as the labour party tears itself apart instead of providing an opposition. Textbook.
A failure of statecraft; other johnson failures – husband, father, honesty, human being.
I'd go further, I'd say a failure as a DNA carrying organism.
There are fungi and bacteria that do more good.
Still reckon he’s just trying to ratchet up the drama to scare the EU & masks himself look amazing if he snatches a deal at the last (& distracts from the substance of any actual deal)
I don't think so. The Boris Bullshit Bus has reached the end of the road and it is going to become apparent to enough pro-Leave people that Brexit was a pack of lies and that it can't be hidden any more. Johnson will be off, as will many prominent Brexies in the months that follow his departure, no doubt citing long covid or similar.
The circling vultures will have their feast and piss off sharpish with the proceeds. The normal folk will take an irreversible hit to their standard of living and we will rejoin the EU by stealth, bit by bit, over the course of the next 10-15 years. But as a second tier member with nothing like the clout we used to have.
**** Brexit.
Project Fear…
https://twitter.com/timothy_stanley/status/1337124495518265344?s=21
…or rather, the Brexit cheerleaders have to finally accept what the EU is, and how it works, as we leave the transition period.
Project Fear…
https://twitter.com/wjames_reuters/status/1337313785007267840?s=21
…or rather, not listening to the haulage and logistics industry has real consequences.
the Brexit cheerleaders
They might deign to try, but remember this is primarily a heist. The cheerleaders will be well looked after and why would they be motivated to face reality when they can just scuttle off to a comfortable retirement?
The true believers, who weren't on the payroll (let's call them idiots), are as screwed as the rest of us. But frankly, **** them.
Dowden being trotted out now on R4 to do his share of looking stupid and lying. Why they feel the need to even bother any more escapes me...
They've done it. We're screwed.
…or rather, the Brexit cheerleaders have to finally accept what the EU is, and how it works, as we leave the transition period
I was trying to type something. But this reflects more how I feel.
A nice synopsis.
Broadly speaking,
work harder, bitches.
rights? forget it
And
fancy the arts? forget it, your life choices are tescoburys or amazon
or rather, the Brexit cheerleaders have to finally accept what the EU is, and how it works, as we leave the transition period
As noted, that is literally the purpose of the EU - peace through collaboration, shared stability and a negotiating bloc, without individual deviations.
It's also literally the reason Leave wanted out - to take back individual control of our own negotiations and policy.
It's taken nearly 5 years for this penny to drop with some people.
Of course this will be remainers and the EU's fault, because if they hadn't objected or created this 'club' that they won't let us in on...
They will do all the changes fast otherwise people will cotton on to it.
God knows what the uk will look like in 5 years (other than it won't be the uk anymore - good luck Scotland).
The Five Live debate this morning is worth listening too. It is presently carrying on in the same vein as yesterday.
Serious businesspeople, presently running successful enterprises pointing out what utter and complete lunacy this is, and the huge costs to their business, then total ****ing morons (who all seem to be retired) who haven’t even got the most basic understanding of economics, saying ‘everything will just be fine’ on the basis of.... erm.... err...
Guess which group our government are presently made up of?
Jesus Christ! I didn't know that import VAT rules were changing (from outside EU).
It took an email from Wish - ikr - of all people to inform me or regulatory changes - ****ing Wish!
Anyway - here's the content of their email
Transactions on or after 1 January 2021
Beginning 1 January, 2021 the current VAT exemption for UK imports of goods in a small consignment of value up to £15 will end. As of this date, VAT will be included in your purchase price on items and consignments of up to £135 imported into the UK. This will also mean that you will not have to pay any additional VAT at customs.
For items or consignments valued above £135, VAT & Customs Duties are included in your purchase price. To facilitate delivery, Wish or an agent, like a freight forwarder, will make the payment on your behalf.
Transactions before 1 January 2021
The new rules will apply to all sales that have a time of supply for VAT purposes of 1 January 2021 or later.
For example, if an order is placed and payment received on 31st December 2020 then the new rules will not apply, even if dispatch and delivery take place after 1 January 2021. Therefore, for imports, the consignment will remain subject to import VAT (unless it is below the Low-Value Consignment Relief threshold of £15) and supply VAT should not be charged. For goods already in the UK at the time of supply, the VAT liability will remain with the seller rather than Wish.
Wish is monitoring HMRC rules regarding reseller regulation for marketplaces effective on Jan 2021 to ensure a smooth transition. As of today, not all details have been finalized by the government, but we have been assured that the goals of the new system will be:
To make sure that packages are not held up at the border, and that delivery times will not be affected.
To prevent a complicated process with extra fees for the consumer from receiving bills from the postal service to pay VAT. Instead, marketplaces such as Wish will collect VAT and pay it directly to the tax authorities.Our goal at Wish is to ensure the shopping experience remains enjoyable and affordable for our customers. When more details are shared with us, we will update you promptly.
For more information, visit the HMRC website.
Best wishes,
The UK Wish team.
Guess which group our government are presently made up of?
There can now only be two classifications.
1. Cynical opportunists (political or financial or both).
2. Morons.
For amusement the government website still doesn’t know how it if the electricity interconnectors will work/trade.
If that isn’t sorted (and it may already be but .gov.uk doesn’t know it), food and medicine shortages are going to pale into insignificance.
Best wishes,
The UK Wish team.
Is that the official title of our negotiators?
For amusement the government website still doesn’t know how it if the electricity interconnectors will work/trade.
It's going to be straight back to the 70s in January, then. Power cuts, the UK as the 'sick man of Europe'...I wonder if flares and not washing will come back in?
The Boris Bullshit Bus has reached the end of the road
Indeed.
@alexsimon, important point, a large company such as wish will register with HMRC, many small companies won't, they'll just blacklist any order from the UK as too much hassle.
It seems that with every hour that passes someone shovels another great lump onto the steaming pile of shit that Brexit is.
And they are the known-knowns
What we can guarantee is that there are a million and one known-unknowns and unknown-unknowns all lurking out there ready to bite us firmly on the arse
And still sat there grinning like chimps are the Brexiteer morons that presently masquerade as our government. These clowns are so far out of their depth they will not have the first clue how to cope when this shitstorm becomes a reality on the 1st of January.
I still think that as the economy goes into freefall Boris will stick around for about as long as Dave did after the referendum result was delivered. Very Churchilian.
Best wishes,
The UK Wish team.
Is that the official title of our negotiators?
I don't know whether to laugh or cry
many small companies won’t, they’ll just blacklist any order from the UK as too much hassle.
Yep. When they work out that their admin team is spending 50% of their time on the 5% of orders they get from that awkward little backwater it is an easy decision to make.
Also smaller companies increase the likelihood of Hans from logistics walking into Jens the CEO's office and telling him this. They'll just decide there and then over a coffee from out of the machine.
**** Brexit.