I fear that we will never recover from the additional damage that reframing of what “democracy” is has done
I've said several times now, this could all have been avoided if we'd invested in 17 million dictionaries.
Right… back on the “conspiracy or cock up” point… it isn’t one or the other… there clearly are people who believed all the “quick and easy” “less bureaucracy” “Brexit dividend” fallacies as they spread them… here’s “Dover?” Raab back in 2016 when he seemed to honestly be expecting that leaving the EU would decrease the bureaucratic load for businesses and the civil service…
https://twitter.com/propertyspot/status/1022422994222809088?s=21
…this doesn’t preclude others who pushed for Brexit understanding this stuff, and, either not caring, or considering it a price worth (others) paying for the chance to use their “emerging economy” skills to make money out of the, er, “changes” to our country, currency and regulations resulting from all this.
Raab is another bluff, crass tit. It is only that he has dunderheads like Johnson, Grayling, Hancock et al all around him that gives him the ability to look 'businesslike' because he can glare at people 'scarily' while a vein pulses in his forehead.
That's Brexit for you, though. If you select your top team based on their loyalty to a project that is inherently stupid, you end up with stupid people and opportunists in the top jobs.
More Brexiteer logic:
If this year has taught us anything it’s that what we should be doing at the moment is jeopardising our supply of essential medical supplies
https://twitter.com/chrismasonbbc/status/1290321961051131909?s=21
Wow, did a STW political thread actually cause someone to rethink? Amazing.
Why would a superstate be bad?
Good question. We are used to 5hinking of the US as a very patriotic and in fact single place but it is a super state, a union of smaller states. The original idea was closer to that of the current EU, however due to the civil war AIUI it became more of a state. And they don't seem to mind, do they? Likewise Germans?
I've not considered the American people to be patriotic any more than we might consider ourselves so. They feel it necessary their kids swear allegiance to the flag every morning at school, they have at least one State with a pretty healthy independence movement ( California ).
Germany I don't know - not a question I've thought to ask Germans I've known, but I might do now. Guess you might get a different answer from different age groups, and those who've grown up either side of the wall.
Why some people are hell bent on separating themselves from people they've an awful lot in common with living on their doorstep is a bit beyond me tbh. In the case of some Americans I can only imagine it's a matter of range... 😉
I'm in favour of increased unification fwiw.
I’ve not considered the American people to be patriotic any more than we might consider ourselves so.
You're having a laugh, aren't you?
This is entirely normal and you see it everywhere:
They are insanely patriotic, to the point of obsession half the time.
California might have a quarter of people in favour of secession, however a large number of the rest are singing the national anthem at baseball games with their hand on their heart and tears in their eyes. It goes way deeper (not necessarily more extreme) than you can probably imagine.
I just look at that picture and wonder how many flags are up because they believe in it and how many are there because they'll get talked about if they don't. I'd struggle to name a more diverse country so also struggle with the idea that they all think the same thing. Anyway I'm reluctant to be too drawn in to this in case I end up trying to go through customs again 😀
Theres going to be a lot of this over the coming years, fortunately Twitter keeps the receipts
https://twitter.com/baghwallah/status/1290426222531489794?s=20
This is what happens when you don’t read the small print and sign a document written by a man like Boris Johnson.
But because the Brexiteers are all so bright, none of that is Boris’s fault, obviously. Its all the EU’s dastardly work, for some reason.
Nice of them to take the time to see how Britain could become even less trusted in all those future trade deals it now needs to negotiate...
By reneging on the one it just signed?
That should do it! Genius!
https://twitter.com/cromwell606/status/1290423111972782080?s=21
Iain Duncan Smith relies on one thing and one thing alone.
That enough of the electorate are disengaged and/or thick enough not to realise he doesn't have the first clue about anything at all. Sadly, it seems to be a safe assumption.
He really is special.
Wow I'm blocked by IDS!
Chris Grey focused on this in his blog the other week.
Its amazing really, our economy is going to die the death of a thousand cuts thanks to all the red tape coming down the pipe, and all the mediocrities that crapped on and on about how amazing this will be are still pissing their pants over how unfair it all is.
Good luck all the SMEs out there:
https://ec.europa.eu/info/european-union-and-united-kingdom-forging-new-partnership/future-partnership/getting-ready-end-transition-period_en
^^^
We're ****ed.
And every little cut will be blamed on someone else.
Idiots.
I just wish there was some way to 'reward' the people who voted for this specifically with their 'Brexit Dividend'.
Then I would be happy to let them sink their own little ships whilst waving mini union jacks around.
Johnson still high on the polls
The real brexit dividend is his alone, no matter how badly he mishandles the Covid crisis, no matter how the job losses, red tape & loss of freedoms thanks to brexit dump on us ....
To half the country he's the hero that 'got brexit done' 🙄
James O’Brien highlights the hypocrisy and utter ineptitude of Iain Duncan Smith
https://twitter.com/lbc/status/1290981636998406144?s=21
A reminder that doors are shutting for financial services…
https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-finance-analysis-idUKKCN25223M
The Telegraph have just realised that leaving the EU will mean no more EHIC. Who could ever have predicted such a thing?! Other than all the fear-mongering Remoaners who said this 4 years ago of course.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/comment/ehic-card-loss-brexit-older-travellers/
Hmm... emphasis on the old bastards that voted for this... what about all the young families having their holiday costs pushed up against their will? And, personally speaking, who's going to pay for my diabetic teenage son's inflated insurance costs so we can briefly escape to the continent for a few weeks next year... (realistically, he's never studying or living there as a young man now).
Don't read the comments...
Susan Kennedy 9 Aug 2020 4:16PM
The EHIC card is a con*. A work colleague had her irish mother stay with her for 3 months 10 years ago and she got registered for a GP and then got a EHIC card. She's been getting free medical back home in Ireland for the last 10 years and she has complex medical needs; diabetes and hypertension and doesnt pay for her prescriptions. Makes my blood boil
Someone's blood is boiling because someone else is being well treated? In Ireland?
* this phrase is repeated in many of the comments. That's "free thinkers" for you.
I have been pointing out the EHIC/Health insurance implications to my frequent travelling Brexit voting parents for years.
Worth the cost, presumably?
A work colleague had her irish mother stay with her for 3 months 10 years ago and she got registered for a GP and then got a EHIC card
I'm going to say this is just bs, plain and simple. You have to have a NI number to get an EHIC. Either she was entitled to one as an NI paying UK citizen in which case why is anyone complaining, or she wasn't, and it's just total bollocks.
Still, brexie gonna brexie
Yeah, it's just a lie, and yet even though they've made up their entire post, it's still not even that good an argument.
I really just don't understand the mentality. It's like you and your next door neighbour both being given fifty quid gratis and your response is to complain about the freeloading bastard at number 7.
You'd have to be either thick or evil to deliberately give up a benefit for no other reason than to see someone else lose it as well.
I’m going to say this is just bs, plain and simple. You have to have a NI number to get an EHIC. Either she was entitled to one as an NI paying UK citizen in which case why is anyone complaining, or she wasn’t, and it’s just total bollocks.
Assuming she even exists, which I severely doubt, her "Irish mother" was probably from Northern Ireland.
Price worth paying.
Apparently.
It'll be the EU's fault anyway.
Or immigrants/muslims/shirkers/whatever.
Losing the EHIC isn’t a “price” for the nutters… it’s getting rid of a “con”… they know it’s a con, because it starts with an “E”. Logic stops there.
It’ll be the EU’s fault anyway.
Or immigrants/muslims/shirkers/whatever
If we’ve learned anything at all it's that scapegoats co-exist, often necessarily.
ie immigrants/muslims/non-hetero/brown-folk/disabled/poor/unemployed/gypsies/foreigners/EU/The Left
ie if it wasn’t for The Left there would be no EU, no foreigners, no gays, no non-white/non-Swiss immigrants - and even if there were, they’d be in tiny numbers or else kept abroad. Blame The Left. Funded by Jews. Funded by a bigger Jew. Yours Sincerely, The Internet, 2020 and going,forward...
Wow. Tories really are bastards, objectively.
Not just Tories unfortunately, we live in a bitter, twisted and mean country.
Are we conflating migrants and refugees again here or did I miss a news story?
The survey question was overly simplistic but what proportion of the population can clearly differentiate between migrants and refugees?
^ That could be a survey.
The poll as it was presented was loaded and leading.
what proportion of the population can clearly differentiate between migrants and refugees?
If the answer isn't "100%" then we have a problem.
Eh, we have a problem.
Mean spirited, petty, insular, racist/xenophobic and also, ultimately, ignorant and thick.
These are the true defining characteristics of Brexit Britain.
And yet the Brexies think the rest of world view us as some sort of heroes because we held out for a year until the USSR and US got dragged into the war.
🤦♂️
Eh, we have a problem.
We do indeed. That distinction is as good as over in the eyes of much of the public, and the media.
Keep hearing “the first country they arrived in” and “France should do more” from Brexitiers, and I can’t even be bothered to explain any more. At least their motives for their vote are becoming clear for all to see again. Sadly.
Also from that survey…
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1293196618645360640?s=20
The numbers (and international law) speak for themselves… this simply isn’t true… this shouldn’t be opinions to test, but facts to learn. But it’s about feelings not numbers, still. Obviously.
^^^^
Worthless words on a (soon to be) worthless coin.
What an achievement.
Those poll results are sickening. 🙁
I see that Cleverley (oh the irony) has gone full Trump and hit back at Ben & Jerry's for expressing concern at the treatment of refugees by the UK.
In response to concerns about the treatment of refugees he criticised the value for money of their ice cream.
They aren't even really pretending any more, are they?
facts to learn
Well, the survey is about nebulous concepts like "fairness". In this case it's like a small child saying "it's not fair". The survey is not to find out what is fair, but how pathetic and toddler-like the British public are. (Answer: "very")
