we will see a lot of victim blaming
Absolutely. Stick great big holes in the hull of UK small business, and blame those running those businesses for not jumping ship or being accepting of their cold wet fate.
Well the the Ringmaster did actually tell you what he thought of business 🙂
I predict we will see a lot of victim blaming as the brexit cards start to fall
We’re all victims in this,doesn’t matter how they fall whilst we’ve a complicit media happy to keep the circus in town.
Go on crack open that pint of champagne and feel the taste of triumph. 🙁
Cheeseys pretty right thou….
It turns out our greatest competitor on the planet is the UK government because every time they do a fantastic deal, they kick us out of that market – starting with the Brexit deal
I do think he’s right and attempting to make Brexit work and bringing the plight of how it really isn’t is admirable as opposed to moaning.
(I may have done a Truss)
So not an SME then?
Yes, just because my former employer was one of the biggest doesn't mean they aren't an SME, they have a turnover of approx £37m.
For free? That’s awfully good of you.
Yes, for free. Surprisingly, a lot of people in the cheese industry get on very well and really don't like to see each other fail. Going to the ICDA and not seeing the usual familiar faces because they've folded is quite sad.
So BenjiM tell us what we really want to know, how much the work you have done has increased profits, how much more productive is the company now it is outside of the EU. What great opportunities have opened up that you couldn't have previously pursued.
So BenjiM tell us what we really want to know, how much the work you have done has increased profits, how much more productive is the company now it is outside of the EU. What great opportunities have opened up that you couldn’t have previously pursued.
Oh, it's certainly less productive. No new roles have been created, just extra work tagged onto existing jobs, that were already struggling to cope (which is one of the reasons I left). In the case of my old employer they picked up the customers that were dropped by their suppliers as they said it wasn't workable, in the case of Northern Ireland. We carried on supplying to our EU customers, but price increases had to be incorporated. There aren't any new opportunities that have opened up as far as I'm aware.
From the responses, some folk seem to think I'm some sort of Brexit cheerleader. That's far from the truth. I think the whole thing is bollocks and I voted to remain, partially on the selfish note that I knew that it would make my job a hell of a lot harder, bringing 70% of the business's product into the country from Europe.
Bizarrely I was the only member of the senior management team who voted remain, I recall when the result was announced and the warehouse manager came in like a 5 year old calling me a loser. Oh how the tables turned when his job got harder having to deal with import paperwork.
Believe it or not trying to make the best of a bad job, working with what we have, to ensure continuity for our customers and to keep the business running (and make money) and calling out the whole Brexit debacle are not mutually exclusive.
Thanks Benji. Good to hear a balanced set of thoughts.
All I can say is that for our organisation, were £130k of Erasmus+ projects annually down in the immediate aftermath, three of which end this month.
Longer term, that means a few hundred teachers who would have had professional learning opportunities with colleagues across Europe losing out. It also means we're down one member of staff.
From the responses, some folk seem to think I’m some sort of Brexit cheerleader. That’s far from the truth.
Thought your experiences came across really well, not sure why you got that reaction.
I'll just say I didn't think you were a supporter of it, I just actually wondered if you had somehow managed to find one thing that was better because of it. I guess the answer is no and the downsides were enough to make you leave the job.
Our situation is likely to be the same, I say likely as it's now nearly 2 years since we loaded a truck with kit and sent it off to anywhere in Europe. All we know for sure is we'll encounter more costs, have more work to produce all the required paperwork and we'll have to allow more trucking time increasing costs further.
Great posts Benji. Thanks.
My employer uses vast amounts of European raw materials (polyurethane industry) converts them in the UK then ships 95% back to Europe to feed into the automotive chain.
There is no need for us to be based in the UK - it's the skillsets and the unique processes we have that means our business can't easily be transferred to Europe but I have a feeling it's going to happen sooner rather than later.
We exported 2 or 3 times a week and the cost of the vet was covered by the government for the EHC.
Hmm, don't you mean "paid for by British taxpayers", AKA you & me.
So would the exports be still viable if the business paid all the costs, rather than been subsidised?
Relevant to the idea that smaller businesses now need to work with their bigger competitors (or third parties) to facilitate the trade and sales they used to handle perfectly fine independently.
https://twitter.com/davidheniguk/status/1477587211176615937?s=21
Interestingly Spain has passed a law to make manufacturers product warranty 3 years (up from eu 2)and they must now have spares available for 10 years as opposed to 5 after the product is discontinued.
We must promote the repair of products because today the economic and marketing it encourages compulsive purchases and is committed to convincing consumers that when a device breaks down, they have to throw it away and buy another. That is why it is necessary to provide facilities so that products can be repaired
It’s a hard life taking those eu rules and going further than the minimum.
That's been law in Germany for a long time, but only for vehicles and for 15 years after IIRC. It's why you can walk into a Volkswagen main dealer and still get mk4 Golf bits the next day.
Crown symbol on a glass - I remember them but - honestly that’s what counts as a Brexit benefit 🙂
Gotta be some part of a Machiavellian distraction.
Thought your experiences came across really well, not sure why you got that reaction.
Because its cobbled together solutions based on goodwill replacing simple and seamless processes.
https://twitter.com/yougov/status/1478387855462383617?s=21
Single figures by this time next year? The whole “shift focus from local trade to rest of world trade” is going to be screwed by long distance shipping costs this year… just as local trade is also going to face additional barriers and cost. The year of less choice and higher prices (in contrast to the opposite being promised during referendum campaigning and post referendum hard Brexit pushing) isn’t going to make Brexit look any more of a “success” than it does now, is it.
Crown symbol on a glass – I remember them but – honestly that’s what counts as a Brexit benefit 🙂
Gotta be some part of a Machiavellian distraction.
Ugh. It's just like the bananna travesty and the blue passsport travesty all over again.
No rules ever stopped us from having curved banannas or blue passports, or indeed, crown symbols on drinking glasses.
It's not really going well for anyone though is it? My uncle thinks it's going badly but he was probably expecting to have re-invaded the colonies by now.
Slim pickings for Brexit positives.
Even the government now say that it will create hard times but that will be good for us in the long run. A far cry from the nirvana being promised during and after the referendum.
Crown symbol on a glass – I remember them but – honestly that’s what counts as a Brexit benefit
Some benefit, glass makers who put the crown symbol on their products won't be able to sell them abroad as it won't be recognised like the CE mark. So they'll have to put that on anyway kinda defeating the purpose.
Even the government now say that it will create hard times but that will be good for us in the long run
Never before has so much bollocks been spoken by so few to so many.
Single figures by this time next year?
I'm more concerned about the 15% that think it's going well. I mean, which bits of it? Did they actually hear the question?
Wait, does Brexit mean increased parts availability for my Leyland DAF camper?
Slim pickings for Brexit positives.
I’m still awaiting something positive as I can’t believe they effectively in 2 years not rolled out something more realistic.
I found it interesting to see that the YouTube van-lifer were now showing the issues involved in rocking around the eu with having to spend months in the non Schengen areas which are not on the sunny spots you would really be wanting to spend the winter in, a far cry from the just rock up and party old days.
Ah well blue passports and crown engravings for you and no cheap retirement/travelling and golden visas for the rich so they can still live the dream as usual 🙂
Thought your experiences came across really well, not sure why you got that reaction.
Because its cobbled together solutions based on goodwill replacing simple and seamless processes.
I absolutely agree. What we are finding though (I'm still in the dairy industry) is that business is increasing quite dramatically we can't keep up with production as customers are struggling to source from abroad, more are buying from British suppliers. Obviously this won't be the case across all industries or even within this particular sector.
Massive, huge Brexit win. By that I mean that one singular, tiny aspect of it with one singular company isn't as shite as it is for everyone else. For the moment anyway. Huzza!
https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1480472384679387136?s=20
Is this the legendary ‘Brexit Dividend’ then?
Meanwhile, Liz is threatening the EU with triggering Article 16 again, to which I imagine the reaction in Brussels will be “yeah, whatever…”
https://twitter.com/itvnewspolitics/status/1479956901387456516?s=21
^^ Yeah, another day/Brexit minister...another threat. Imagine her surprise when she finds out we already struck a deal with the EU.
A quick call from the EU/ Taoiseach to the Irish gentleman in the Whitehouse should give Truss a little wake up call in that regard.
We know why Frost walked and it certainly has nothing to do with the "direction" Boris is taking.😁
I saw the EU ambassador to the UK's reply to that on TV, Binners. A very jolly, lucid and positive man with all the answers making it perfectly clear that there's no reason to trigger article 16, but yeah, whatever.
BenjiM
Hmm, don’t you mean “paid for by British taxpayers”, AKA you & me.
So would the exports be still viable if the business paid all the costs, rather than been subsidised?
Thoughts on my earlier post?
The EU passed the "don't give a ****" stage some time ago, it has resigned itself to the economic fall out and decided to get on with its day job. Macron is being difficult but he has an election coming.
The EU will prop Ireland as and when required, the EU understands the trade model between Ireland and Northern Ireland and where the dependencies/benefits sit. Biden will not help the UK with trade etc until he is assured the Good Friday Agreement is respected.
Truss can't win as Frost couldn't win, the best she can hope for is a few scraps from the EU in return for probably ECJ rights/access. Her problem is she is negotiating with someone who doesn't need to negotiate.
The EU remaiining at the negotiating table is for their benefit to the wider world i.e. look how reasonable we are... still talking to this bunch of ****s
Here's a question: if it comes to light that Russia played a substantial part in influencing the pro brexit vote, would that be sufficient reason to rerun the referendum?
Legally the referendum itself meant absolutely nothing. It just advised the government. No interference or finding of wrong doings makes any difference at all. It was only advisory.
Here’s a question: if it comes to light that Russia played a substantial part in influencing the pro brexit vote, would that be sufficient reason to rerun the referendum?
Love it did but I doubt it. The poor economic performance and spiralling costs might make the vast army of Brexiteers think again.
if it comes to light that Russia played a substantial part in influencing the pro brexit vote
wishful thinking. certainly putin et. al. are rubbing their hands with glee about the separation from the EU but their actual involvement was likely peripheral at most. we'd love to think there was some outside reason or influence responsible for all this because surely we didn't just do this to ourselves?
There was russian interference and others doing dirty deeds. No doubt at all and no doubt it made a differnce IMO
Sorry I hadn't been back to this thread in a while.
BenjiM
Hmm, don’t you mean “paid for by British taxpayers”, AKA you & me.
So would the exports be still viable if the business paid all the costs, rather than been subsidised?
Thoughts on my earlier post?
Yeah, paid for by the tax payer. At the time we didn't know that we weren't being charged by the vet because the visit costs were covered, until at least 30 days after the first visit and export as we didn't receive an invoice and they told us that the costs were being covered. Orders were still coming in, even though customers new about the additional costs. At the time this wasn't particularly well known. as to whether my former employer returned those additional costs to the customer, I don't know, but I'm pretty sure they won't have been returned as they'd already been agreed and filed under "admin charges".
+1 BenjiM
And "Arron Banks may have been used and exploited by Russia" - I think the word they're looking for is "financed"...
And “Arron Banks may have been used and exploited by Russia” – I think the word they’re looking for is “financed”…
On behalf of the owners of this forum, I think the word you are looking for is "allegedly" 😎
Here’s a question: if it comes to light that Russia played a substantial part in influencing the pro brexit vote, would that be sufficient reason to rerun the referendum?
No point, the UK is out of the EU, and that is a position that is for the short to medium term fixed. You would need the EU to agree and with the current incarnation of the UK, forget it. If you want to save the UK then alignment is the way forward.
I'd be amazaballs that Russia didn't play a big part in financing it as it would have been dirt cheap, like buying a raffle ticket and winning big time.
