^^ Yeah, nothing like getting rid of red tape is there?
as of jan 1st, with no capacity they are changing the system. Expect chaos.
they are supposed to be implement full checks from this date but I will bet it gets delayed and / or they simply ignore it given the total lack of ability to make the checks
Suddenly, preppers in the US are starting to look like they might be on to something.
they are supposed to be implement full checks from this date but I will bet it gets delayed and / or they simply ignore it given the total lack of ability to make the checks
It's not even full checks, they still aren't doing loads until, in theory, July. But, yes I tend to agree it'll get delayed. Now be a business with no real idea of what is going on, must be wonderful.
What was the estimated number of customs personnel required? Was it 50k? Add that to 100k lorry drivers, 40k nurses, countless care workers, teachers, police, and social workers...
Was it 50k? Add that to 100k lorry drivers
It was 50k, you are correct. And if you add that level of cost to everything you get.... inflation.
Baking in inefficiency overpaying or over-resourcing unnecessarily just hits further down the line. Stupid and futile.
It's here in handy pic form if anyone doesn't 'get it'.....
Inflation to 'likely to exceed' 5% by spring.
This is the beginning of the end for Brexit and the inevitable result of creating conditions where unskilled and semi-skilled jobs command unrealistically high salaries. Inbuilt inefficiency = Inflation = unsustainable.
It really just depends on how long it takes for the electorate to grow up sufficiently.
Errmmm- you mean where unskilled and semi skilled jobs command a wage you can live on? We have had cheap labour for too long. I do not believe Brexit was the needed tool for this but its one of its effects
Remember all those low wage jobs need topping up with benefits unless you are single and prepared to live in a dorm / shared room
the UK has been a low wage low tax economy for far too long.
would you graft for minimum wage?
Tj i am suprised by you response above, i assume you understand that the whole UK economy is geared to deliver based on the current minimum wage?
We have no significant industries or commerce that can sustain a higher wsge/low inflation economy- it would take decades of investment to achieve this (not to mention education)
Inflation is crippling to poorly paid people (not all are lorry drivers- think public sector) 10 years at 5% inflation is catastrophic for ordinary people.
Jam today, jam tomorrow is bollocks and i am a left leaning socialist, until we have a government and more importantly an investment culture that considers the well being of ordinary folks we will have to live with boom/bust.
Inflation causes revolution....
I agree with oldmanmtb. Simply increasing the wages of jobs isn't going to produce the kind of economy we both want.
Wages can only increase sustainably with productivity, not due to labour scarcity.
The latter just drives an inflationary spiral.
I dont think 'take home' income would increase dramatically, as what are in effect government funded job subsidies (in work benefits) would end up being cut.
Tj i am suprised by you response above, i assume you understand that the whole UK economy is geared to deliver based on the current minimum wage?
Of course I understand that and IMO its just wrong. We have a hugely unequal society in the UK far more so than most of Europe. We have a huge amount of in work poverty. We have a low taxation, we have low wages
Wages have been kept low for decades by having firstly a huge pool of unemployed and latterly also by importing cheap labour
this is unsustainable and causes great misery
Lets move our economy towards the nordic countries or Germany where taxes are higher, wages are much higher, the society is much less unequal and everyone is happier as a result.
To deny manual workers a fair wage stinks and causes huge social problems
I am not suprised by the attitudes shown in the few posts above mine but I am disgusted. Keep the plebs down so I can have my second skiing trip of the year and my posh cars. It stinks
this is unsustainable and causes great misery
It is clearly absolutely sustainable since it has been sustained for many decades if not centuries and shows no sign of changing any time soon. In fact people vote for it time and time again. I'll agree with the second part of the sentence though.
Its unsustainable because it causes a downward social spiral and we are now reaping the rewards for the few decades of this - its only since the Thatcher years that our society has become more unequal in this way and over the last decade or so the social damage has become worse and worse and it is changing - thats the point. We as a society can go with the change and make the best of it or we can rail against it and make life worse for people
The UK has appalling productivity in comparison to other similar economies, created in part by lack of investment in people, training and technology.
Government has been highly complicit due to a lack of a coherent industrial strategy in part due to a competitive dogma in the Treasury that meant everything is solely judged on price - unless of course, you’re mates with a Tory minister and you free access to the trough. Brexit has served to highlight these flaws - a lack of resilience in infrastructure, dependence on global supply chains and friction-free trade and access to cheap labour.
We also have an education system that has failed employers needs - churning out graduates in subjects no one wants who end up indebted with a loan they can never pay back.
because it causes a downward social spiral
Unsustainable means that it cannot continue like this - it doesn't mean something that you don't like. There is no reason that this can't continue, right the way back to feudalism. The only thing that will stop it is a revolution - and we're not very good at those in the UK.
causes great misery
It doesn't matter what you think of it, what I think of it or what its victims think of it. If you make yourself less productive as a small player this is what happens. End of.
The sensible option is to remain part of a large bloc that is determined to preserve a standard of living against parts of the world that will work for a dollar a day. And has the necessary clout to actually do it. Kicking them in the balls and exposing yourself to the world 'market' unnecessarily just because you don't like foreigners has the exact opposite effect.
It really just depends on how long it takes the clots who voted for this to realise it.
If labour costs rise, the solution is simply offshoring, automation, etc. Those low end, badly paid jobs exist largely because it has been easier to not invest. So where does that leave a badly educated non productive class of job seeker?
As for redistribution, voters keep on electing Tories, and doffing their caps to their betters. This has been the theme of the UK for centuries.
I am not suprised by the attitudes shown in the few posts above
Please understand that just because people are pointing out the situation we are in absolutely does not mean we're endorsing it. This is very important.
Please understand that just because people are pointing out the situation we are in absolutely does not mean we’re endorsing it. This is very important.
100%
The only thing that will stop it is a revolution – and we’re not very good at those in the UK.
A good time to effectively outlaw protest, though, just in case. Especially when it starts to leak out how many billions you gave your mates last year for shonky PPE and the like.
"A bit bookish."
"A nerd."
"Speccy four-eyed ****".
Has all that ---^ been fixed yet, or are have we still got a massive cohort of happily thick bastards?
"Dont need school, gonna go work with me dad on the site."
I dearly hope it's changed since I was at school (year above Jesus, just after Moses left) otherwise I can't see where the LoRa enabled unicorn is going to appear from.
Has all that —^ been fixed yet, or are have we still got a massive cohort of happily thick bastards?
A large scale opinion poll five and a bit years ago would say not.
Please understand that just because people are pointing out the situation we are in absolutely does not mean we’re endorsing it. This is very important.
+1
Oldman and others are just pointing out what we've said since the beginning of the whole Brexit saga - the only people who'll really benefit from Brexit are already so rich that in reality it won't actually impact their lifestyles, no matter how many more millions/billions they 'earn'.
But hey, they'll have it.
Looking forward to Patel upping my salary next year to keep up with inflation. I mean, they keep banging on about high pay so the Public Service will obviously be the first to benefit?
Can someone tell her she might need to ask Sunak for a few quid though as to repeatedly expect Services to fund rises out of existing budgets is causing a bit of a problem, especially the without warning ones that have not been budgeted for.
But hey, they’ll have it.
And they'll use it to buy themselves massive parcels of land to build gated mansions on. Truly a new Victorian Age, but only in the bad sense. And voted for by the very people it is going to **** over the most. It's quite a remarkable stitch up.
What on earth is Truss up to?
https://twitter.com/benchu_/status/1468599706708324355?s=21
Or is she doing a stand up job, but with a huge handicap (Brexit itself)?
You think Liz looks at actual figures?
You just need to wave that flag and believe.
I just want to know if she is doing brilliantly in a job made unbelievably difficult by Brexit, or if our trade problems are down to her performing poorly in her government role? I think we need to know if there’s any chance she could temporarily be PM.
Interesting how the UK has flatlined since 2006, yes it has collapsed because of Brexit, but it really hasn't been healthy for a while.
I just want to know if she is doing brilliantly in a job made unbelievably difficult by Brexit, or if our trade problems are down to her performing poorly in her government role? I think we need to know if there’s any chance she could temporarily be PM.
doing badly in a job made impossible
You can only play the cards you are dealt and she has a 2 and a 5 but did she need to go all in blind? My understanding is the deals done are on unfavourable terms to us
Wont stop her trying to be PM tho and she might even get it if Johnson goes
Would it be fair to say that any Tories with intelligence and/or integrity (there must have been some) have either given up and moved on, or been forced out of the party because they couldn't blindly follow the Brexit bandwagon, and now we are left with the idiots and/or people who couldn't give a crap running the country?
Is this actually the fault of the electorate (well Tory voters, anyway) for believing all of the BS spouted by the Tories and overwhelmingly voting for them in the face of all the historical evidence of what the Tories are like and the fact that they are led by an incompetent, compulsively lying buffoon? Surely, the evidence was there for all to see?
Feeling more cynical than usual today.
“I’m not arguing there are no decent people in the Tory Party,But they’re like bits of sweetcorn in a turd; technically they’ve kept their integrity but they’re still embedded in shit"
Iain Banks
Is this actually the fault of the electorate (well Tory voters, anyway) for believing all of the BS spouted by the Tories and overwhelmingly voting for them in the face of all the historical evidence of what the Tories are like and the fact that they are led by an incompetent, compulsively lying buffoon? Surely, the evidence was there for all to see?
YOu have to include the malign press. mainly owned by non british resident far right wingers who have relentlessly promoted the lies and because the BBC has to be "impartial" they end up following the same fake stories
Interesting how the UK has flatlined since 2006, yes it has collapsed because of Brexit, but it really hasn’t been healthy for a while.
Financial Crisis followed by austerity and capped off with Brexit. Even if the austerity policy had been successful in rebalancing the deficit, it was never going to create any growth in GDP. Again Brexit may be a path to sunny uplands, but it's not going to create any economic growth in the short term.
Brexiteer twitter is frothing with rage this evening
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1469350565616496642?t=6An-EkFMhvBtc0biBxbklQ&s=19
We are currently in that there EU on a holiday. The only differences we've noticed since pre-Brexit are covid-related. That is, empty airports and sailing through passport control. And those pesky covid tests. We'll see if getting back home is as easy.
Frosty is still saying the ECJ is still a red line... but he's about as trustworthy as Johnson is.
That's saying something.
Frosty is still saying the ECJ is still a red line… but he’s about as trustworthy as Johnson is.
That’s saying something.
Frosty probably hasn't realized his "boss" is no longer in charge 😉
Very true.Lol
ITV citing a report on Brexit.
12 Billion a month lost in exports.
Wow.
Capitulation coming thick & fast now
https://twitter.com/BrexitHome/status/1469658232872484871?t=BVPpH6pBbG7_DNN9ZTUI-A&s=19
Are they getting twitchy about 1st Jan import duties?
^ He’s just vile. That’s really wound me up.
