Give us 23,521 immigrants and ill gladly hand over that odious little naff
They aren’t stupid, they know that Brexit means net economic loss…
Bullshit they do. Some might, but five years ago most of them thought "Net Economic" was a Ford hatchback.
Today the ones with a braincell that isn't lonely are begrudgingly coming round to the argument of "short term pain for long term gain," and most of those are still in denial that "short-term" means, optimistically, the next couple of decades.
Ooh, I didn't realise.. but rightly or wrongly, brexit was supposed to solve all the 'immigration issues', if anything it's worse by thier own admission.
Ooh, I didn’t realise..
A handy rule of thumb:
If someone has a flag in their Twitter handle, they're likely to be a racist.
rightly or wrongly, brexit was supposed to solve all the ‘immigration issues’, if anything it’s worse by thier own admission.
And I called this long before Article Oh I Can't Even Remember Any More was triggered by the Maybot. Reduced EU immigration => increased non-EU immigration. If you voted to leave because something about brown people going home then well done because it will have and now is having the opposite effect.
Bullshit they do.
The genius of the Vote Leave campaign and that bus slogan… keep the Remain campaign talking about the economy, the “head” issues, when they knew full well the battlefield for the “hearts” of voters was what really mattered… “control” and being “British First”. There were of course some people who said that they were voting for the economic “benefits” of Brexit, but most accepted there was a cost, at least for the first decade. The campaign focus on the economics was always a sham, while nodding and winking about foreigners. And post referendum, it has been “end freedom of movement at any cost” all the way, without support for Brexit, or those proposing this form of it, dropping much at all.
Yup. Head vs heart is another Page 2 conversation.
The problem is, we haven't learned. Five years on and we're still playing Mr Logic from Viz. Half don't understand and the other half don't care.
This is why we're currently like 47:53 or something from 52:48 in 2016 despite five years of... what? We're talking about JIT supply chains and lorry driver permits and import duties, they're going "well, I'm sure there will be strawberries tomorrow and I didn't like fruit all that much anyway, at least there's going to be less darkies soon, did you see that nice Claudia on telly last night...? Ooh, I got my new blue passport last week, not that I ever go anywhere other than the Rose & Crown in Spain, the rest is a bit foreign isn't it."
They don't have to understand it. They have to want it. That's why Remain failed in 2016, and why it's still failing today.
Yep. The fact I see countries primarily as economic blocks, second as a culture (music, food, kilts if you’re of my persuasion) that can be offer to and borrowed from the rest of the world and as a poor third a way of picking teams for sports day, probably makes me unusual. Oh and a a good way starting a friendly argument- see also ethnicity and British (Celtic, Welsh) ethnicity.
I do find even after living in Yorkshire for almost thirty years some of the locals can’t quite understand that I’m not a Scots nationalist. (Though Brexit has made me more sympathetic to their view - a little more sympathetic.)
PS - “That’s why Remain failed in 2016, and why it’s still failing today.”
That’ll be why the majority want to rejoin. Not think we shouldn’t have left, that was a majority sometime ago, but actually rejoin.
My point was, rejoin (remain) is now a nominal majority rather than the landslide it should / could be. I appreciate that in Brexitland a statistically irrelevant victory is considered to be overwhelming, but really we're still on a knife edge and I miss fruit.
That’ll be why the majority want to rejoin.
They do. But you only need a (significant) minority of voters to support you to stay in government, and general elections are not referendums. There is enough support for a “keep out bilinguals, no matter the cost to those that live here” Brexit to keep the Conservatives in power long enough for opinions on Brexit to become as important as opinions on sail or steam power for Atlantic crossing passenger carrying ships. “No of course we shouldn’t have left, but we did, years ago, so what.”
I think you're right Cougar.
One half of the knife though who voted for brexshit are both dying off shortly and some changing minds.
Meanwhile a younger voter is arriving who does see the benefits.
It will however take a long time - like a decade..
Thing is, rejoining will be a hard sell, there will be no special rebates, concessions or bespoke pot sweeteners, just the standard T&C's, take it or leave it.
I still think that would be preferable to being out, but I'm not sure that message would get through with the current right wing media and government.
I wholeheartedly agree.
I doubt it'll happen in my lifetime, unfortunately. Our EU Member-Ship has sailed.
If someone has a flag in their Twitter handle, they’re likely to be a racist.
I actually can't belive I missed that, I think my brain blanks it out, a bit like adverts on the internet 🙂
Currently looking to buy a house and passed one over.. was good for the money but among other niggles, in the photograph of the frontage, you could see a big george cross flag hanging out of the next door neighbours upstairs window... must have been about 6 foot long.
I nexted that property pretty quick hahah.
I think the point I was making is that remain has been a majority (50+) for some time (edit - just checked, all but a couple of months since 2017), but it is only now that rejoin has become a majority.
Do I think it’ll all change next month? Of course not.
Do I think directions of travel matter? Yes. Doesn’t guarantee the destination of course.
Brexit won’t be over for a decade or so yet. Either way.
They do. But you only need a (significant) minority of voters to support you to stay in government, and general elections are not referendums. There is enough support for a “keep out bilinguals, no matter the cost to those that live here” Brexit to keep the Conservatives in power long enough for opinions on Brexit to become as important as opinions on sail or steam power for Atlantic crossing passenger carrying ships. “No of course we shouldn’t have left, but we did, years ago, so what.”
Yep..
The ‘so what’ ,once your used to lack of free movement,fruit,product choice(well for the poor) why would you want to rejoin?
You’ve already got a government bored of being held to account who tried to correct that and draconian anti-protest laws still in the balance.
The Pandora’s box of Brexit has a lot more surprises to reveal to us in the future.
Rejoining? LOL! Not in this lifetime. Definitely most of us will be fertilizer by that time. LOL!
I think we will never rejoin, maybe a better trade deal.
Most people have accepted that this is it, our reduced standard of living is already the norm.
The erosion of the Tory redwall promises is well underway and there is little or no kickback.
The only real question is how long can the Tories maintain this combination of debt and false promises - i guess 10 years then someone else will inherit the shit show.
Better than what?
Doesn’t guarantee the destination of course.
Brexit won’t be over for a decade or so yet.
I think even the ilustrious Jacob rees mogg was saying it will take about 50 years to break even.
So **** everything in the meantime?
Try getting a loan on a promise you might balance the books in half a century.
Most of us wil be 6 feet under by then, and it's the younger generation left holding the hot potatoe.
A trade deal i should have said.
I think the UK in it's current form has well and truly 'poisoned the well' when it comes to trade agreements.
Imagine if you were a rouge state and they sent Lizz truss to negociate. She'd probaly come back pregnant and redraw immigration laws for her slightly brown baby. the right kind of brown, nice tan. Not too dark.
Imagine if you were a rouge state
Like communist Russia?
The erosion of the Tory redwall promises is well underway and there is little or no kickback.
No fast choo,choos for you 🙂
At home we were just talking about this last week as my OH needs to travel for work to France, Belgium and possibly Spain after Christmas. I’ve previously worked extensively overseas and while for the EU countries just basically took my passport & credit card at zero notice, for other countries my first call would be to our Travel Agents to see what they needed to organise (Visa’s, health insurance, vaccines, certs etc, hotels etc).
The cracker is each country will have their own requirements so that’s 3 lots of paperwork that will need organising.
The whole freedom of movement thing made this a no brainier but nowadays ah well enjoy.
I think covid masked a lot of this as no-one was really travelling but people are starting to wise up after the fact, a year of van life driving around Europe requires more planning on being out of Schengen and ah the dream of retiring to Spain that was a thing.
I think the UK in it’s current form has well and truly ‘poisoned the well’ when it comes to trade agreements.
Dunno I thought the peeps who didn’t get a liz truss cut and paste had more favourable terms and tbh we’ve not really been let in on what greatness comes out of the Aus deal.
Everyone loves a desperate deal when they’re not the desperate one.
I think even the ilustrious Jacob rees mogg was saying it will take about 50 years to break even.?
No, he said it'd be 50 years before we know the outcome. Classic ignore the headline and look at what he actually said:
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jacob-rees-mogg-economy-brexit_uk_5b54e3b5e4b0de86f48e3566
The cracker is each country will have their own requirements so that’s 3 lots of paperwork that will need organising.
Yep, well aware, lived previously overseas.
Anyway, here's why Brexit happened, because they needed somewhere to 'hide' this lot:
"Research by tax campaigners found that estimated losses had risen from $427bn last year to $483bn (£359bn) in 2021, with the UK alone responsible for almost 40% of the total."
When the Papua New Guinea Courier is taking the pee it's got bad.
Imagine if you were a rouge state
Like communist Russia?
Chapeau 😀
Cougar
Full MemberThey don’t have to understand it. They have to want it. That’s why Remain failed in 2016, and why it’s still failing today.
OK yes I do agree but really, remain failed in 2016 because it was reality-based and was broadly a vote for what already existed., while brexit allowed people to vote for every possible brexit real, imagined or impossible and treated them all as a vote for the same thing. That's all. There was a majority for all those brexits but never a majority for any one brexit, let alone any achievable brexit.
Some good news…
https://www.ft.com/content/0b6f751d-363b-424d-a452-7a235e13eb00
A total of 170 jobs are to be created in Northern Ireland by one of the world’s biggest packaging companies, the latest business seeking to exploit the region’s “best of both worlds” post-Brexit trading status.
Ardagh Metal Packaging on Friday announced plans to build a $200m beverage can plant near Belfast, from which drinks will be exported both to Britain and EU markets.
Ah but your forgetting the fantabulos Teeside freeport, that’s going to create 1800 jobs.
A true Brexit bonus that couldn’t be done without Brexit apparently 😉
Until Frosty kicks the EU in the bollocks Kelvin
A reminder that undoing the NIP without having a working alternative in place won’t just upset relationships with our immediate neighbours…
https://twitter.com/chrismurphyct/status/1462106388709224457?s=21
https://twitter.com/newscientist/status/1462847077013241862?s=21
Read it yourself. No quote copied and pasted here to make it easy for you. I’m lazy. Not as lazy as our lackadaisical part time PM, with their obviously fake high energy and vim routine, but hey…
Forgive me. Forgive me. Forgive me.
Peppa pig world looks pretty good though
Ah but your forgetting the fantabulos Teeside freeport, that’s going to create 1800 jobs.
A true Brexit bonus that couldn’t be done without Brexit apparently 😉
Freeports, loved by folk who haven't a clue about what they actually are, disingenuous Politicians and criminals.
Freeports, loved by folk who haven’t a clue about what they actually are, disingenuous Politicians and criminals.
And interestingly a thing we er already had whilst EU members but were so good that the Tories couldn’t be arsed to renew the licences in 2012.
There's a new "government information" radio advert that uses a LBS owner as an example as to how the burden of red tape is about to go up yet again (thanks to Brexit). It's another "get ready for it now, don't wait" type advert. Sounds like the kind of thing that'll get shop owners swearing at the radio.
Do we actually know what “it” is yet?
Do we actually know what “it” is yet?
doomanic
Full MemberDo we actually know what “it” is yet?
I loved the original "brexit is coming. Get ready" adverts for that. "You have 1 month to prepare. Don't ask us what that means. Nobody actually knows. But if you're not prepared it's your fault".
Fingerprinting Visitors to Europe - Rick Steves Travel Forum
and as eveyone knew what they were voting for, i don't want to hear any complaints.
I suppose it is worth pointing out the cluster**** that is coming in a few days
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/less-than-a-month-until-full-customs-controls-are-introduced
So far customs haven't been done properly, as of jan 1st, with no capacity they are changing the system. Expect chaos.
