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Well thanks to our govs inability to understand international law. I've spent money I didn't need to. Animal health certificates for Ireland. Not even asked about the dogs.
And the greatest of indignations having to get a UK plate, vast majority of UK registered car didn't bother. Did see one on the ferry back with three UK stickers, they had also taped over the euro part of the their plate so they're obviously loving Brexit.
Progress innit, my dad put a SCO one on all his cars, guess I'll do the same
Wine wholesaler moving to France to ease his costs.
He was probably the first person to really bang on about this and the crazy costs of importing stuff now.
His ****ter feeds an interesting one - he gets a lot of love from Brexit huggers with their crazy ideas of getting the wine from elsewhere and boycotting eu products.
“Yes, of course I got it wrong, but I got it wrong for the right reason, if I may put it that way”
so wait, it's French customs officials not turning up for work that's causing delays? That 's a shit situation to be in if the loss of just 6 customs officials can bring our major port to a standstill. I wonder how that happened?
I wonder how that happened?
How?
A bit like the railway workers - no need for everyone to go on strike, just the few that the network can't run without.
I reckon Macron was pi55ing himself with laughter.
It's almost funny, a bit like the nonsense about people visiting Spain now being required to prove they have €85+ per day to support themselves, or be refused entry.
Like most right wing propaganda, there is a slither of truth buried within the faux outrage.
What it means in reality is that if you fit a certain profile, you'll be quizzed deeper by border officials, for example a lone traveller with hand baggage only and a one way ticket, and no pre-booked hotel and no family to stay with, no credit cards and/or very little cash on you...
... you're gonna get your collar felt, as chances are your an illegal immigrant or a smuggler or something.
International travel and customs have always been like this, it's just that when we were in the EU we had freedom of movement within the EU, and now we don't, so it doesn't matter if we are from the UK or Peru, the same rules apply, contary to populist belief, EU countries have full control over thier boaders when it comes to non-EU citizens.
Are we far enough away from Freedom Day for the “rip off Britain” headlines to start dominating the papers? I think not… that’ll probably wait for a Labour government to be taking the blame… the material is there for journalists already though…
https://www.retailgazette.co.uk/blog/2022/08/zara-charges-brits-50-more-as-decathlon-blames-brexit/
friend in france was saying it's getting more expensive to ship to the UK (even with no restrictions to the UK) due to the hassle and delays of the return trip for the shippers.
Meanwhile, in blue-rinse policy land, here's the well-hidden consultation on the triumphant return of imperial measures, thanks to haunted Victorian pencil.
https://beisgovuk.citizenspace.com/opss/measurements/
Seems fair and balanced to me - albeit there is no option to reject the option for more imperial measures...and will deliver 100% support for the return of lbs and oz.
'Do you want shit on toast or a shit burrito?'
hmm, I have no objection to buying food in imperial if thats what pisses people off, its moronic, but so are lots of things, each to their own. However construction, engineering and manufacturing practice and standards rely on metric and we can't change back now.
This is another portent of the ****ing mess we are wading into. We really are up shit creek now.
I have no objection to buying food in imperial if thats what pisses people off, its moronic, but so are lots of things, each to their own.
Anyone born after the 70s will have no education or interest in this archaism. It's pathetic pandering to a very select, very small audience of people who want us to return to those glory days. We are already heading for a 70s vibe with double-digits inflation, why don't we get another bailout from the IMF to complete the box-set?
Never mind imperial measures, the whole shit-show about the UKCA mark introduction and effectively barring CE mark from the UK. Businesses having to re-certify products just to retain access to the markets whilst some ‘lifed’ CE products get scrapped.
Higher costs, prices and reduced choice - so much winning!
Anyone born after the 70s will have no education or interest in this archaism. It’s pathetic pandering to a very select, very small audience of people who want us to return to those glory days.
TBH just ask anyone who supports imperial measurements how many Pounds in a Hundredweight, Yards in a Chain or Fluid Ounces in a Pint.
Odds on they'll then just look 'foolish'.
I would add that I was born in 1970 and I have no clue how many pounds are in a stone, oz in a pound, or yards in a mile. I can manage inches in a foot, that's about it.
That survey is weird. Can anyone think of any actual benefits of being able to sell soley in imperial units or in more prominent imperial units?
The thing I can see is that a 1lb is usefully about 10% smaller than 500g, so all those 500g and 1kg bags of rice and pasta will become 1 or 2 lb but with no change in price.
Now this is a great read on Emily Maitlis' thoughts on why much of the media has not been able to fully expose populism for what it is and is hamstrung when it comes to telling the people the full effects of Brexit.
In the case of Brexit, Maitlis said: "It might take our producers five minutes to find 60 economists who feared Brexit and five hours to find a sole voice who espoused it.
"But by the time we went on air we simply had one of each; we presented this unequal effort to our audience as balance. It wasn't."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-62662212
hmm, I have no objection to buying food in imperial if thats what pisses people off, its moronic, but so are lots of things, each to their own.
No, but if you're selling to UK and to EU then suddenly you might need to run one product line in imperial and another for the metric in the EU which adds costs that really don't need to be there.
I would add that I was born in 1970 and I have no clue how many pounds are in a stone, oz in a pound, or yards in a mile. I can manage inches in a foot, that’s about it.
I have a really screwed up set of measurements - big distances in miles down to maybe half a mile, then its metres down to about 5 metres, then back to feet until about 12 inches then back to centimetres. Anything accurate is in mm regardless of distance though.
It’s almost funny, a bit like the nonsense about people visiting Spain now being required to prove they have €85+ per day to support themselves, or be refused entry
I read the .gov website on traveling to Europe and it stated that you will need to be able to prove you have enough money for the trip. Anti-EUs getting upset about something their own gov has told them about but then it was in the details.
if you’re selling to UK and to EU then suddenly you might need to run one product line in imperial and another for the metric in the EU
Well no, it's just labelling. You dont have to sell in round Imperial units. You could sell 1lb 1.8oz of something easily enough.
Well no, it’s just labelling. You dont have to sell in round Imperial units. You could sell 1lb 1.8oz of something easily enough.
Well, you could but the swivel eyed loons aren't going to buy 1lb 1.8oz of something just so johnny foreigner can have a nice round 500g as the dual labelling are they?
The people who care about this are the ones that bend sweet shop owners ears of the UK about not wanting 100g of boiled sweets but a quarter of them. They'll want to buy a pint of something, or a pound. Plus then it'll be easy to compare the price against another option of the same weight. Do that and then you're screwing up your EU labelling.
I read the .gov website on traveling to Europe and it stated that you will need to be able to prove you have enough money for the trip. Anti-EUs getting upset about something their own gov has told them about but then it was in the details.
It's utter nonsence.
What the UK media are trying to say is that, if you are a bit suspicious, or a bit shifty, like...
You'll likley be questioned by border officials, you know, to prevent smugglers and such.
If you are a family going on holiday with a return flight, you just won't be questioned.
On the other hand, if you are for example a lone traveler with a one way ticket, and no cash or no credit, or no place to stay, you might be flagged and viewed as a bit of a wrong'un and deported.
This is nothing new.
I know this might come as a shock to some, now we are out of the EU, and you know, that little thing called freedom of movement within the EU, but we, the UK voted to get rid of our rights to freedom of movement in EU countries.
Well, you could but the swivel eyed loons aren’t going to buy 1lb 1.8oz of something just so johnny foreigner can have a nice round 500g as the dual labelling are they?
Too bad.
This is what I don't understand, I buy milk by the litre, as it's metric and I know what that is.
I go to the pub and buy a pint.
I know very well what I'm getting, in both situtations.. a pint being a bit less than a litre. And I don't really care as long as I get a good glass of beer.
But when it comes to business, this mix-n-match shit won't fly. I dont't care if I have one less, or one extra sip of beer from a glass.
If I'm buying things in bulk it becomes far more important. Thats why we need logical, sensible and scalable units of measurement.
Currently working on an engineering project that's in imperial units.
On the upside I can now convert decimal to base 12 without thinking and do my 14.7 times table.
When the current generation of gammons who lap up this bollocks and are the target audience for truss, sunak and ree-smug die are there gammons-in-training to replace them?
Is it like growing orcs - a la Lord of the Rings - where each new one is worse than it's predecessor?
I would add that I was born in 1970 and I have no clue how many pounds are in a stone, oz in a pound, or yards in a mile. I can manage inches in a foot, that’s about it.
Well it's this simple.
12 inch to a foot
3 foot to a yard
22 yards to a chain
80 chains to a mile
1760 feet to a mile
What's wrong with that divisible system?
That’s 1:3 scale. Makes for a massive map compared to 1” to the mile. 😉
"1760 feet to a mile"
Non!
1 mile = 5280ft
I know very well what I’m getting, in both situtations.. a pint being a bit less than a litre.
I respectfully suggest that really you don’t 🤣
… but you did mean half a litre really didn’t you?
When the current generation of gammons who lap up this bollocks and are the target audience for truss, sunak and ree-smug die are there gammons-in-training to replace them?
Is it like growing orcs – a la Lord of the Rings – where each new one is worse than it’s predecessor?
Are we - the next baddies 🙂
Oops,
That'll be 1760 yard to a mile.
The laugh with the imperial shite is that we could have had a Britbox on the packing showing the measurements in lbs and inches whilst in the E.U.
There’s so little of value we have to show for leaving the E.U. They just have to keep peddling this shite whilst the lorries are **** queued from here to the moon and no foreign driver can be arsed to drive here unless paid in his weight in latinum.
(Sorry for brexsplaining to the converted, I voted with my feet and your shite still impacts on me as my previous rights to work in other eu countries and driving have been removed.)
the joys of exporting to Europe what the article doesn't mention is that the Old Dairy Brewery did a promo vid for the Government on the benefits of Brexit Britain.
There's a vid just popped up on YouTube, Klunk:
^ Watched that earlier, a good channel that highlights the utter stupidity of Brexit (we all know that but there's still millions of brexiteers that refuse to acknowledge)
Are we surprised in any way that a) no one wanted to attend such a Brexit celebration, b) remainers are being blamed for the lack of attendees and c) 6x more was spent on this festival than on extending free meals through lockdown, decisions taken at the game time.
https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1565223197284368384?t=yn1PPLyp79taruA2DRneSA&s=19
Matt, that's depressing read.
There are c46.5 million registered voters in the UK (38.8 million in england) so where did the initial stretch target of 66 million come from?
so where did the initial stretch target of 66 million come from?
The same place as the £350 million a week for the NHS?
Another depressing article on the effects of Brexit in yesterdays Guardian. It really is the gift that keeps on taking
Brexit is the monster under the bed Liz Truss is desperately trying to ignore
There are c46.5 million registered voters in the UK (38.8 million in england) so where did the initial stretch target of 66 million come from?
Children don't vote so I presume theres an assumption based on family attendance. I presume they also assumed people would attend more than one event - a 'visitor' isn't a person, its the event of a person visiting so I guess they imagined that a Brexit-keen person would visit lots of events or visit them lots of times. What they've not taken into account is the fact that the core motivation behind much of the support for Brexit isn't 'doing things' its 'undoing things' they want to see things stopped, torn up, thrown out - so expecting them to participate in something was an oversight.
TBH it was pretty obvious, from the off, that you required a distribution hub in the EU.
The bit that wasn’t so obvious was the massive increase in cost/time in getting stuff over there,although I expect the smart people had some inkling.
To do business abroad you effectively now have to set up shop abroad 🙁
TBH the old diary may as well make life easy and set up another brewery in the eu,unfortunately for them they’ll have to employ eu locals as the 90 day rule probably doesn’t help.
Not as easy as just driving the van over or just sticking a label on the box and dropping it off at the post office.
where did the initial stretch target of 66 million come from?
I am impressed and saddened in equal measure, that 280,000 plebs still thought a Brexit festival would be a grand day out.
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I think the last thing I read about that festival of Brexit was 12 months ago and related to the main organisers insisting it wasn't a festival of Brexit at all, but something far more inclusive. Since then absolutely shit all. Genuinely, nothing I can remember in online news articles, the telly, radio, internet adverts or anything.
Maybe if they'd tried a bit of marketing and promotion it wouldn't have been such a flop. In that one article I did read about it, I thought some of the events sounded like the sort of activity I'd be tempted by, but as they didn't make any apparent effort to retain my interest I'd forgotten all about it.
Did anyone else have any more than the most scant memory it was even a thing??
I loved this poster for the Festival of Brexit by Richard Littler, which is an homage to Abram Games design for the 1955 Festival of Britain
As a company owner whose business involves a large amount of importing and exporting of various materials and products, i can categorically tell you that Brexit is a sheer disaster economically, relationship and efficiency wise. Anyone who says otherwise is living in a fantasy world.
I contribute a bit of time and work to the Department of International Trade and we took a load of concerns from numerous business owners in all sorts of different sectors all of whom are saying the same thing to the good people at Westminster..... i can tell you now the government do not give a ****. As far as they're concerned its's done and they have moved on. An amazing attitude really.
The bit that wasn’t so obvious was the massive increase in cost/time in getting stuff over there,although I expect the smart people had some inkling.
Change "smart" to "experienced".
Any of us with any experience of import/export predicted it, especially those of us who'd seen & understood the changes/benefits that the SM & CU had brought in over the years.
Did anyone else have any more than the most scant memory it was even a thing??
I have no memory at all about it. Literally never heard of it!
I contribute a bit of time and work to the Department of International Trade and we took a load of concerns from numerous business owners in all sorts of different sectors all of whom are saying the same thing to the good people at Westminster….. i can tell you now the government do not give a ****. As far as they’re concerned its’s done and they have moved on. An amazing attitude really.
Given Boris Johnson's comments regarding business, this comes as no surprise to me. We're at the 'fingers in the ears, singing lalala' stage of Brexit denialism now. No member of any Conservative government in the last century would even recognise this current mob of grifters, shills and opportunists.
where did the initial stretch target of 66 million come from?
That's the entire population of the UK isn't it, give or take a few shillings?
Well, you could but the swivel eyed loons aren’t going to buy 1lb 1.8oz of something just so johnny foreigner can have a nice round 500g as the dual labelling are they?
The people who care about this are the ones that bend sweet shop owners ears of the UK about not wanting 100g of boiled sweets but a quarter of them. They’ll want to buy a pint of something, or a pound. Plus then it’ll be easy to compare the price against another option of the same weight. Do that and then you’re screwing up your EU labelling.
Seems reasonable, you'd get an extra couple of Werther's Original in a quarter over 100g.
More seriously - we already do this and we did so when we were still EU members. I have a bottle of milk in my fridge right now labelled "1 pint (568ml)".
I posted this on the thread discussing the consultation but it's probably relevant here also:
https://twitter.com/UKCougar/status/1563524116975874049
That’s the entire population of the UK isn’t it, give or take a few shillings?
Yep - 66 million would be every man, woman and child on mainland GB visiting, plus about half of NI making the trek over for it too.
OR
1 million gammons visiting 66 times each....
TBH it was pretty obvious, from the off, that you required a distribution hub in the EU.
Obvious, to anyone with just over half the average intelligence.
What was the referendum result again?
That’s the entire population of the UK isn’t it, give or take a few shillings?
Perhaps Priti Patel was planning on making visiting it compulsory and marching us there at gunpoint to salute the flag while singing Rule Brittania?
we all know that but there’s still millions of brexiteers that refuse to acknowledge
Most of whom will have bought the story, and that will be that, you won't change their mind with facts, you just become "the enemy" because you disagree.
The committed are a lost cause. The real challenge (hello, Labour) is to repackage "joining the EU" or "joining common market" as a lovely lovely story about bringing jobs to the people or something, that hoodwinks the leave voters, and get that stuck in everyone's brains before the arrival of the firehose of bullplop that we all know will be coming from the ERG (or whatever they're now called).
Most of whom will have bought the story, and that will be that, you won’t change their mind with facts, you just become “the enemy” because you disagree.
Yep, we have a friend who is a committed conservative and Brexiteer, anti Scottish independence (or even Scottish parliament). He is a very intelligent and successful businessman, but his political views seem to leave common sense, logic or ability to negotiate behind.
There is just no point trying to debate at all - we just avoid the subject.
We've got the opportunity to provide a service to a company in the Netherlands, likely a big contract too. However we can't get samples over cost effectively a) because it's POAO (requires vet sign off and paperwork @ £140 p/h ) b) Chilled courier @£150. This is for a 200g sample of cheese. We're a small business and taking a risk on those costs isn't going to happen at the moment. A bigger shipment wouldn't be a problem as the costs can be swallowed included in the size of the order, however touting for business with product samples is incredibly difficult.
his political views seem to leave common sense, logic or ability to negotiate behind.
At this point it is, essentially, a religion.
It's a cult.
It always has been
Ignore the evidence of your eyes and just BELIEVE
You can't debate an ideology - its a contradiction in terms.
It’s a cult.
It always has been
AIUI, the difference is that cults generally centre on a single figurehead rather than being self-sustaining.
Ignore the evidence of your eyes and just BELIEVE
Like I said, religion.
difference is that cults generally centre on a single figurehead
Thought that was essentially the Johnson M O ?
Any of us with any experience of import/export predicted it, especially those of us who’d seen & understood the changes/benefits that the SM & CU had brought in over the years
Ah but experts.
You can’t debate an ideology – its a contradiction in terms.
That's not my understanding of the term. You're thinking of dogma, I think.
At this point it is, essentially, a religion.
Death Cult.
The thing that makes me smile inside is everything said by Brexiteers about weights and measures is wrong.
We introduced metric measures before joining the EU then the EU adopted the pint as a recognised measure so the Brits, Irish, Dutch, Maltese and anyone else who wanted to could have a pint of beer in a CE-marked glass.
An example of how the EU usually do the pragmatic thing - Like the latest change to the RoHS directive that allows old parts to be used for repair indefinitely because it is The Right Thing To Do. Simples.
The thing that makes me smile inside is everything said by Brexiteers about weights and measures is wrong.
I'm not sure as "smile" is the word I'd use but, of course it is. It always is.
re the "festival", the low turnout definitely wasn't because of remainers or sentiment about brexit, because they completely removed all reference of brexit, it became "Unboxed". If you mentioned brexit on their social media you got banned- I posted something like "Oh, hang on, this is what's left of the festival of brexit isn't it! Looks like a good thing" and got banned!
It actually did look like a really good set of events, and was completely and totally unbrexity.
It actually did look like a really good set of events, and was completely and totally unbrexity.
having lived overseas for a decade or so, one thing that becomes very obvious is how bad the UK is at implementing ideas. it always goes wrong in execution.
re the “festival”, the low turnout definitely wasn’t because of remainers or sentiment about brexit
...
It actually did look like a really good set of events, and was completely and totally unbrexity.
The remainers didn't like it because it was too brexity, the leavers didn't like it because it wasn't brexity enough, and so we ended up spending a fortune on something that no-one really wanted?
Art imitates life sometimes, doesn't it.
It wasn't brexitey in the slightest. From the events and marketing that I saw, I reckon essentially nobody who went or didn't go realised it was anything to do with ye olde festival of brexit, either for good or for bad.
Fair comment Molgrips about ideology v dogma, however fascism and communism are both ideological positions and the worlds most significant proponents did not encourage debate.
I have little doubt there are elements of the right wing in this country including many Tories who would love a "free hand" to deploy their ideology and the current requirement for democracy is inconvenient to say the least, this in part is demonstrated by the half arsed approach to trying to prove that their brexit ideology has some practical method - the only way they can get brexit to work (in their eyes) is the Minford, deregulation, privatisation approach which wiĺl now not even float with many Tories... Truss is their last chance and make of that what you will.
Truss is their last chance and make of that what you will.
A final throw of the dice, and +40 years of damaging the UK...
Truss is just a useful puppet for the hard right xenophobic lot. This is just another point on the slow motion coup.
This gives them room to further gerrymandering and restiction on labour and its funding. Expect boundary changes rammed thru and further anti union laws intended to impovrish labour as well as restricting strike action etc.
Art imitates life sometimes, doesn’t it.
Don't forget not everyone is interested in art or culture.
I’d have been unlikely to bother to visit any of it regardless of Brexit, although I’d go to a warhol exhibition.
Seems like they had committed to ‘doing’ something but didn’t have a clue what it was or how to do it other than a checkbox gets ticked,sounds vaguely familiar 🙂
I didn't realise we went through with the festival of Brexit, then again I do stay 450 miles away from London so I shouldn't be surprised
Marina's Acid Pen strikes again
Total fiasco, you say? Appalling waste of public money, you say? Completely different to what was promised, you say? Despite having been years in the planning, no one knew what it was actually supposed to look like, you say? The people who came up with it are blaming its failure on anyone but themselves, you say? I mean … I mourn the time when a metaphor stole imperceptibly into the British consciousness instead of grabbing it by the lapels, shaking it like a rag doll and head-butting it in the nose while screaming, “I AM A STONECOLD METAPHOR, OK PAL?”