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Food security issues and environmental impacts aside, Im sure we were promised better animal welfare and higher food standards
Even dazh said it!
Instead we get...
Tim Tams are the business though.
like everything else Brexit-related, slavish following of free-market ideology trumps everything.
I think Cummings was an ideologue, I don't think Johnson is. He'll just say and do whatever gets him likes. That's why he's pleased with the Australia deal cos he knows the idiots will go 'yeah see look we have trade deals' with zero understanding of whether or not it's any good.
I think Cummings was an ideologue, I don’t think Johnson is. He’ll just say and do whatever gets him likes
I think that Johnson will do whatever he's told - we've a number of libertarian think tanks and a small number of highly partisan media moguls who have a firm grip on Johnson's shoulder. We're at a point where there are calls from the Telegraph to cancel the CBI specifically because they warned about the likelihood of Brexit disaster, many in government and those sponsoring them want to double down and assert their own parallel reality.
We're going to see schisms develop very soon - reportedly George Useless and Michael Gove are pushing for closer cooperation with our nearest neighbours. The brewing spat between Useless and Liz Truss is going to be some sort of idiot face off.
The brewing spat between Useless and Liz Truss is going to be some sort of idiot face off.
I think the most we can expect here is a pathetic grin off
And what do they do after that?
As far as Johnson is concerned.... that is up to them. He just tells whatever lie or pushes out whatever meaningless platitudes gets him from day 1 to day 2 without enough people twigging. That is literally 'it'. They moved the goalposts for requirements for high office to 'adherence to a basic policy that is stupid'. It is no wonder we now have a government of crooks, opportunists and idiots.
I heard on the radio this morning that they seem to be floating the idea of bribing farmers with a huge lump sum to get them to retire early/shut their mouths about how global trade deals will make their businesses bankrupt. In their stead will come a new breed of land stewardship that will new and dynamic (ie not grow food) apparently.
Jenrick and his mates will have raging boners right now. 'New and Dynamic' = flogging it off to developers. They don't give a shit what comes later - their pockets are lined, they are sorted. This whole 'new tory' project is a one off smash and grab on the status quo.
They do not care what comes afterwards.
The brewing spat between Useless and Liz Truss is going to be some sort of idiot face off.
Useless will be happy. With 'opposition' like Truss he can only look good. It is like me beating a turnip at chess and then feeling good about it.
Truss's stupidity is so profound she has an event horizon around her. Not even light can escape.
Few points of order from above.
The Miners were not at that point in a dying trade, decline is more accurate and asa country we were paying more per tonne on imported coal within a year.
There is a massive turf war inside the Tories almost shire v city. However the shires will not loose their seats if the Farmers take the hump, also know they will be compensated Farmers never do badly unlike Miners.
Holding onto power not tradition is the new Tory mantra. Their only problem is "levelling up" and its one they are not skilled to deliver- shifting the Tresuary dept to Darlington is not going to fix it (likley to have a negative impact as the posh houses/school is a relatively small area) and sticking a few pacer trains on the old Blyth line will do nowt.
The type of investment needed is not attractive to the Tories as it is not easily routed into mates companies.
Added to this i don't think Rishi is as sharp as people think, he has had a few opportunities to be creative and simply hasn't its not like he has to deliver anything but he could have painted a picture. He operates like a paymaster general rather than a entrepreneur.
There is a real skills shortage in the Tory party which i think suprised even Cummings. Truss, Eustace, Rishi, Boris, Rabb all fall short and even Frost is barley capable.
And what do they do after that?
As far as Johnson is concerned…. that is up to them. He just tells whatever lie or pushes out whatever meaningless platitudes gets him from day 1 to day 2 without enough people twigging. That is literally ‘it’. They moved the goalposts for requirements for high office to ‘adherence to a basic policy that is stupid’. It is no wonder we now have a government of crooks, opportunists and idiots.
I heard on the radio this morning that they seem to be floating the idea of bribing farmers with a huge lump sum to get them to retire early/shut their mouths about how global trade deals will make their businesses bankrupt. In their stead will come a new breed of land stewardship that will new and dynamic (ie not grow food) apparently.
Jenrick and his mates will have raging boners right now. ‘New and Dynamic’ = flogging it off to developers. They don’t give a shit what comes later – their pockets are lined, they are sorted. This whole ‘new tory’ project is a one off smash and grab on the status quo.
They do not care what comes afterwards.
+1 couldn't agree more.
re pmqs - once again Blackford asks about Brexit head on and BJ's insouciant reply was something to behold. Something about how scottish farmers should just believe or something and be optimistic.
Starmer was particularly lacklustre today. This is for another thread but we need a plain speaking firebrand to hit home at these. BJ is there for the taking. Even Ed Miliband would wipe the floor with him.
Holding onto power not tradition is the new Tory mantra. Their only problem is “levelling up” and its one they are not skilled to deliver- shifting the Tresuary dept to Darlington is not going to fix it (likley to have a negative impact as the posh houses/school is a relatively small area) and sticking a few pacer trains on the old Blyth line will do nowt.
Brexit has seen the competent "one nation" types hounded out of the party and the 80 seat majority from 2019 has seen an influx of newly minted and loyal MPs with local council experience at best. We're seeing a transformation into a one party state along the lines of Orban's Hungary, the implicit message being that if you want to "get on" in life then donate generously to your local Tory party.
Education, culture and whatnot is being hollowed out from within, plum jobs are given on the basis of loyalty, not ability. Patel, Jenrick, Truss, Williamson et al are all as thick as a submarine's door yet doggedly pursue policies that don't make a great deal of sense. It's almost as if their ineptitude is a designed in feature. Technocrats they ain't.
Starmer
Still too afraid of being called a traitor by the Red Wall Racists.
IT stuff can be offshored far more easily and cheaply than most things though?
Yeah, right...
Not as easy as a job producing a physical 'item'.
Quick get the wedding pictures out 🙂
Of course people are blaming Macron, "it's all the EU's fault" but what do you expect?
"Hey, EU, we want you to do a thing that will do you no good and cost you money, mostly for UK political purposes, and we are offering you nothing in return, all the while making bad-faith arguments and demands over the last treaty we signed with you".
We hold all the cards!
shifting the Tresuary dept to Darlington is not going to fix it
Is that a thing? Even the prospect of easy access to Chicken Parmo isn't going to stop a massive skills exodus from the department. Wasn't aware that Darlo had a 'posh bit', although it's all relative, I suppose, and you could commute from <cough> Barnard Castle.
Brexit bonus for those living near the lorry park... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-57299121
In fairness it does look very bright!
It's good to see Brexit getting "done" and proud blighty not being rule takers anymore.
Kent voted 59% Leave.
Tough shit, Kent.
Agree. Saw this and first instinct was to laugh. But they've got their blue passports.
Perhaps a couple of patriotic red and blue lights could be added to soothe their worries.
Much as the schadenfreude is strong,
It's a bit shit on the other 41%. That's not a huge majority despite what spin doctors might have you believe.
Martin Hutch Darlington West end is posh and cheap, you have Richmond, Northallerton, Yarm within 10 miles, York is 20 mins on the train Durham is the same. Lots of small "country" houses (think 6 beds 6 acres for a lot less than a terrace in Islington)
Private schools by the bucket load Barnard Castle, Yarm etc and some of the best state schools in the UK Polam, Richmond etc. Anyone doing their homework will be shifting North ASAP
I live in Kent but not near that new night time constellation.lol
Trust me, there are a lots here that are not behind the Brexit BS bus, pushing it along after it stalled and caught fire..
That said there are an amazing amount of people that now feel the need to erect (ooh-er) flagpoles with Union flags in their gardens.
Really very,very odd.
In fairness it does look very bright!
Sunlit lowlands.
Anyone doing their homework will be shifting North ASAP
I take your point, but it hasn't even got a Waitrose. 🙂
Still can't see many takers, particularly among those who have a partner who would need to find a new job as well. The NE has its charms, but can definitely be a shock to the system.
oldman...
Lots of small “country” houses (think 6 beds 6 acres for a lot less than a terrace in Islington)
Eye catching comment but...bollocks; provide some current examples and I might re-consider
Eye catching comment but…bollocks; provide some current examples and I might re-consider
https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/79906143#/
£800k for a 3-bed terrace in Islington.
https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/101308142#/
£850k for a 6 bed in Darlington, with 6 acres 🙂
Hmm where’s the swimming pool,sex pond and underground disco 🙂
Lots of property with a few acres available around Darlington and North Yorkshire (just a mile away over the River Tees) for £650k upwards and some very posh Victorian Terraces in Darlington for £300k
https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/71001079
Right next to Polam Hall school and the Imperial Quarter, a 5 min walk to the station.
Darlington is no Hebden Bridge but the current investment in the Town centre and the redevelopment of the area between the town centre and the railway station is making a huge difference.
I used to live in Gainford between Darlington and Barnard Castle picture Post card Village green and 400k gets you this
https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/71916309
No underground disco admittedly
https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/86884864
https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/75716827
Or if we have 1.2 million....
https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/80145408
That Islington £ gets you 3 Darlington £s or a new Range Rover for the other half and a private Education for Delila and Tarquin at Yarm or Barnard Castle.
It’s a bit shit on the other 41%. That’s not a huge majority despite what spin doctors might have you believe.
They can take it up with the 59%, then.
I know I shouldn't rise to this stuff but, seriously, **** Brexit and **** these ****ing clowns that crowed on and on about how great it was going to be.
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1399804043833262088
That's quite amusing
9000 I think
Absolutely brilliant! What a bellend
He looks like a Toby Jug made flesh.
Turkeys voting for Xmas
Will soon be replaced by the phrase, Farmers /Fishermen/Tim Martin voting for brexit
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it is most likely a duck.
In this case substitute the word 'pillock' for 'duck', though.
Pillock.
take your point, but it hasn’t even got a Waitrose.
We've got three thanks 😉 Although the one in Newcastle is so small Im not sure it counts.
If Tim Martin wants more staff, he can pay more, can't he? Surely this is capitalism in action? Something about being hoisted by his own petard.
Tim Martin is one of the main reasons why I choose not to give Wetherspoons my custom. He's treated his employees terribly and as such has become a Tory posterboy, so I for one am experiencing some schadenfreude at the thought of him having to think very carefully about pay and conditions so as to attract staff.
Martin is yet another useful idiot, much like that awful Jane Mummery woman, who has yet to connect the dots between water quality standards, being a third country and not being able to export fish to our closest neighbours. If you concentrate when you hear them speak, you can hear the sound of grinding gears, it's slowly sinking in.
Martin made £50m during the pandemic from a shares sale but Wetherspoons definitely can't possibly afford to increase its wages and conditions to attract more staff, nooo.
If you look at the states right now there's huge pressure towards improving conditions and pay in the service economy post-pandemic, and the predictable tropes of "people don't want to work" aren't biting, more and more people are just saying "well, obviously".
Here? It'll be all British Youth Are Lazy Just Because They Refuse To Work For Less Than Their Rent Costs, and of course We Need Immigrants Also We Hate Immigrants.
That Islington £ gets you 3 Darlington £s or a new Range Rover for the other half and a private Education for Delila and Tarquin at Yarm or Barnard Castle.
Yes darling, but the neigbours are dreadful.
And the farmers again, so many classic sound bites in this video.
If you concentrate when you hear them speak, you can hear the sound of grinding gears, it’s slowly sinking in.
Hope so.
Because I want the grownups to be there, ramming these realisations and contradictions down their stupid throats until their stupid little fantasy is lying shattered on the floor in front of them.
****ing idiots who convinced themselves they were clever.
DrJ the awful neighbours are probably southern incomers.....
It's all good. Lichtenstein, Iceland and Norway are our first trade deal partners.
What tyres for touring Lichtenstein?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57347874.amp
It’s all good. Lichtenstein, Iceland and Norway are our first trade deal partners.
How do these arrangements stack up against what we had anyway - by being in the EU?
Meh mere details...main objective of headline and checkbox ticked.
How do these arrangements stack up against what we had anyway – by being in the EU?
According to Norway, not as good as if we (UK and Norway) were both in the EEA/EU.
Even the supposedly staunch remainer BBC were reporting this as a deal that would increase trade. In fact (as Norway pointed out) it’s worse than the deal we had as members of the EU so at best it will just mean trade shrinks a bit less than it would have without the deal. Ho hum.
With Biden's administration pushing the global tax deal, and the UK having to jump in line despite the current governments previous gloryfication of low corporate taxes, the brexit financers are having at least some of their envisigioned benefits taken away from them.
How do these arrangements stack up against what we had anyway – by being in the EU?
We all know that’s a rhetorical question. But this is how the next five [ ten, fifteen? ] years play out. Slowly rebuilding many of the arrangements we have thrown away, and cheering that as a success while others laugh at our self deceit. That and Minford being right… and whole sectors being decimated by the slow pace of the deals and the extra concessions other countries and blocks squeeze out of us as the price we pay for our pompous folly.
the brexit financers are having at least some of their envisigioned benefits taken away from them
Good. Bastards.
They should be glad their heads aren't on spikes somewhere. There's still time for that, though.
The Home Office is at it again…
'Virtue' signalling to their nasty support base. It keeps the racists and xenophobes on-side, even if nothing actually happens as a result.
Tough on fairness, tough on the causes of fairness.
Intrigued by the back story to the Peston tweet - if you have British citizenship and both your parents had British citizenship, what prompted the Home Office to write to them? Are they sending random letters to anyone with a "funny looking" name? It just doesn't bare thinking about
The Home Office Twitter account replied to him. Take a look. Doesn’t really answer any of your questions in my opinion, but hey…
EDIT: I can’t find their response now. 🤷🏻♂️
"It makes clear that if you are a British citizen who has received a letter you do not need to take any action and it can be ignored."
Lol, yeah. Look at the way UK citizens without perfect documentation have been treated in the past when they've gone "this is obviously wrong, I've lived here all my life, paid my taxes, I'll ignore it"
It literally says "our records show you are an EEA or Swiss national"... So either the letter is dishonest and they're knowingly sending it to people whose records say no such thing, or, their records are a disaster and that needs fixing. Data must be "used fairly, lawfully and transparently" which doesn't include misleading people in letters, and must be "accurate and, where necessary, kept up to date"
Obviously be a lot easier for some people to do that than others...
Exactly my thoughts. A European version of the Windrush debacle (that was deliberate, not a mistake don’t forget) will be a worry on the minds of anyone that receives one of these, even if they had understood up to that point that their position and rights were secure. And a similar worry we never leave those do end up applying for a scheme which relies 100% on the Home Office not getting things wrong (an online only proof of status).
Tough on compassion, tough on the causes of compassion.
Plays well to the pitchfork wielders. To hell with accuracy, data protection etc - that stuff is for liberal elite pinkos.
Send 'em back where they came from. Where did they come from?
Basildon.
...
Oh.
Surely a Brexit benefit must have surfaced by now six months in after Ooh 4-5 years of preparation ?
Intrigued by the back story to the Peston tweet – if you have British citizenship and both your parents had British citizenship, what prompted the Home Office to write to them? Are they sending random letters to anyone with a “funny looking” name? It just doesn’t bare thinking about
Reminds me of a story told me by someone i used to work with. Inland Revenue used to write to people claiming that they owed X, X being an entirely fictitious but very precise number. eg £473.18. The idea being the recipient would then spend their own time trying to prove the amount wrong and come up with their own figure and so do IR's work for them. Now we have the Home Office writing to people to get them to prove they are british. How many people in the UK could actually prove they are?
On the specifics i heard mention that those born overseas, say armed forces, might be one of the issues here. It doesn't have UK born on your records so you must be an illegal immigrant....
Surely a Brexit benefit must have surfaced by now six months in after Ooh 4-5 years of preparation ?
Any Brexity ****wits I have the misfortune to encounter on social media seem to have settled on "we won, you lost". So, basically, 'no'.
I have less and less cause to realise this as I've blocked all the 'friends' who are Brexity. Let them eat cake.
Surely a Brexit benefit must have surfaced by now six months in after Ooh 4-5 years of preparation ?
If your family fortune is based on long distance shipping, you're probably going to do okay out of it. There are a lot of people syphoning off money from the UK state with Johnson and co in power as well, and arguably they'd be getting less money if Brexit hadn't been used for the power grab (and as an amazingly effective get out of jail free card for the 'winners').
On the specifics i heard mention that those born overseas, say armed forces, might be one of the issues here. It doesn’t have UK born on your records so you must be an illegal immigrant…
Unlikely for armed forces. Although I might hunt out my UK consulate birth certificate just in case.
Always irks me those "Our Records show",they pretty much show the records don't actually show much.
On the specifics i heard mention that those born overseas, say armed forces, might be one of the issues here. It doesn’t have UK born on your records so you must be an illegal immigrant….
I have a UK consulate birth certificate from my dad's time serving Queen and Country.
Been a handy fact when trashing a racist idiot suggesting my fruend - British born of ****stani descent - should go back where she cam from, when I was the one born abroad
We may have had “chaos with Ed Miliband”, but we wouldn’t have been pondering the conundrum of exporting sausages to Northern Ireland (and what that means for unionists living there)…
https://twitter.com/winstoncproject/status/1403682075786584064?s=21
MrMo
Inland Revenue used to write to people claiming that they owed X, X being an entirely fictitious but very precise number. eg £473.18. The idea being the recipient would then spend their own time trying to prove the amount wrong and come up with their own figure and so do IR’s work for them.
My wife had a letter like that. Neighbour, who is an accountant, said write back saying you agree, but don't pay anything. She did and heard nothing more.
I see raab has been exhibiting his stupidity - again; this time saying the EU should stop being 'bloody minded' with reference to the NI protocol.
As a lawyer he, presumably, recognises the importance of complying with legislation.
As soon as the transition period ended the UK became a third country with everything that entailed; frost, johnson and the rest knew that.
It's the UK who should stop being bloody minded.
As a legislator, Raab will understand that laws can be changed...
Not unilaterally, they can’t
It’s pretty obvious that Johnson and co never had any intention of implementing the NI protocol, so the ‘deal’they signed wasn’t worth the paper it was printed on
Something that is no doubt being noted everywhere that the UK is trying to do a trade deal with, not least Washington.
Johnson’s casual disregard for any rules and his arrogance in thinking they don’t apply to him (based on all his life’s experiences) is going to have potentially huge implications, particularly as the potential unilateral tearing up of the NI protocol is going to coincide with the marching season. What could possibly go wrong?
Not that the fly-tipped sofa gives a toss about the Good Friday Agreement, of NI generally. None of the Brexiteers ever did. Just more collateral damage in their ridiculous colonial fantasy
https://twitter.com/spittingcat/status/1403752401836855306?s=21
He complains about the volume of checks. Checks that he told the DUP would be zero with one face, and told others would be facilitated with non-existent processes and technology with the other face. He goes on to talk up the volume of goods that go between NI & GB… I mean, everyone knows that, which is why they didn’t want checks… HE signed up to put in place checks to avoid having to agree to rUK alignment on standards with the rest of Europe. The checks are of his making. Even though he denied they would be put in place before we left the Single Market, and is now lying when he says they come as a surprise to him.
It’s the UK who should
stop being bloody mindednever have been so stupid to kick our closest partners and allies in the balls in the first place.
But ho hum. Rule Britannia, God Save The Queen, etc.
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Boris Johnson confirms that petrol is not combustible, playing with matches is sensible and "what's the worst that could happen?" anyway.....
Boris Johnson was concerned and surprised to learn today that petrol is combustible and that playing with matches is both stupid and dangerous. Despite being told these facts by people many times in recent years....
Y ar thy punishin us?
Spin to win
Sovereignty, classic - RWP lap it up, job done, as you were