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No, paid for by me and YOU!
Out of curiosity, what’s the cost of the certificates/vet vs the value of the exports?
And if your company had to pay, would the exports still be viable?
Well I kinda realise it'll come back to being paid by the taxpayer of course. Approx cost is £120 - £150 per EHC. This depends on how long it takes as the EHC is free, it's the vet's time to sign it off at about £140 per hour. this includes checking the consignment against Health Marks, making sure that the health marks comply with EU regs as they changed to GB rather than UK and dropped the EC at the beginning of Jan. Anything that doesn't comply needs to be removed from the shipment or the health mark changed.
Small consignments not worth it big ones yes, in some cases the customers will accept it but I don't know for how much longer. Cost of a pallet to Denmark went from a couple of hundred quid to 700 hundred.
We were paying at one point until we found out about the scheme, so whilst not immediately viable we've done some at our cost to try and get a foothold in certain areas. Seems to have worked to some degree. We've filled the gap that others left and it's worked out OK as we were willing to put the effort in.
As it stands we don't have a history of exporting to third countries so it's been a massive learning curve, research etc., and not paying expensive consultants. I think we've had 1 problem pallet and that was to Denmark and mainly due to the importer trying to tell us our commodity codes were incorrect for our cheese. Pretty sure I know what the constituent parts are of a product I designed!
Standard FB 'conversation' with a Brexiteer - 2020 edition.
Brexie: Why can't they just let us leave?
Grownup: They have and we can.
Brexie: Yeah but, no but, what I mean is why can't they just let us leave and carry on as before?
Grownup: Because you don't get to pick and choose which bits of a club you like and which bits you don't - especially if you have just left that club.
Brexie: But we won the war.
“Who do you think you are kidding…”
“Ambrose”.......ha ha!
Standard FB ‘conversation’ with a Brexiteer – 2021 edition.
Brexie: Why can’t they just let us leave?
Grownup: They have and we can.
Brexie: Yeah but, no but, what I mean is
If we left why do I have to pay import duty for good from the EU how are they still able to force us to pay import duty in the UK?
Why are the still EU stopping us getting a trade deal with America?
Why are we still in NATO if we left the EU
Why do we have to follow WHO rules if we left the EU?
Why can't I buy curved bananas or cucumbers
Why is the EU forcing companies to leave the UK
Why is it so cold in April now we left the EU?
Why does the coronavirus not leave the UK now we have left the EU
Kelvin - can you do a précis (or a cut'n'paste) for those of us who don't subscribe...?
Hey, I don’t subscribe!
Basically, things aren’t as bad as they were, so chin up, eh? We can recover from the economic damage of Covid, therefore damage of Brexit is worth it. Or something like that.
My comment was in reference to their “Dad’s Army” imagery…
That Telegraph article just shows how low the readership of that comic have become. 'We' are a couple of months ahead of Europe at best with the vaccine rollout and economic re-opening. After that, we are ****ed.
Ah-'kay, thanks. I got the reference, just wondered what was in the article. Not very much, by the sound of it!
Christ almighty, they should be cleaning up right now. How much worse would that have been in a normal year I wonder.
Brompton are trying again, they've sent another bike as the first one is still missing. Sent on Friday, we'll see how this attempt goes.
The first example of regulatory diverge is irriating me. Whereas EU websites now have a proceed with no cookies button rather than having go through a selection process I've just had to go through turning everything off on that Welsh newspaper link in Kimbers' link and the Birmingham Mail (don't ask)
Good service from Brompton!
The cookies thing is just intentionally bad implementation of the legislation I think. There's much to blame on brexit but this isn't IMO. I think it's just an attempt to grind you down so you'll accept everything. Very often I just close the link of I come across a site like that and they've existed since the anti-cookie legislation came in to force IME.
Your experience may vary of course.
Sucking it up: UK manufacturers look in vain for Sir James Dyson’s Brexit benefits
UK-based firms feel anything but liberated by Britain’s new trade relations with the EU, reports Ben Chu
Countryfile just now. Of the British workers recruited last year to 'pick for Britain' only 4% lasted the season.
DEFRA have dropped the campaign for this year, and we're having to import 20,000 more seasonal workers than last year, on the seasonal workers visa scheme (extra paperwork no doubt, and maybe costs)
https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/pick-for-britain-farm-work-scheme-scrapped-961744
Yay, taking back control of our jobs and economy.
Was always going to happen. If they could get the seasonal workers in the UK, there was nothing stopping them doing so before… why would it be any different just because we make it more difficult for migrant seasonal workers? Brexit in a nut shell… making doing business more difficult and expecting it to result in “benefits”.
One of the key issues with seasonal and/or time-limited work is the amount of time it takes for someone who is then out of a job at the end of it to get their benefits (even for a short period until the next job/contract). Too much of a risk for someone with no savings etc.
And the more the Govt 'engineers' this, the less 'flexible' the workforce is.
The first example of regulatory diverge is irriating me. Whereas EU websites now have a proceed with no cookies button rather than having go through a selection process I’ve just had to go through turning everything off on that Welsh newspaper link
I don't think those regulations have changed, I think that's just the famously annoying Wales Online website being annoying.
BBC going full in with the gaslit nation stuff now… pretending that no one warned that Brexit would effect NI before the referendum vote…
https://www.bbc.com/news/56763859
I mean, they carried the joint appearance of past Tory and Labour PMs in NI to warn us all… the selective amnesia starts now? Do they basically mean that media didn’t cover the issue enough?
My favourite line…
Voters were never really told that this could happen
The EU rules have changed, Molgrips,what's required now is a "continuer sans accepter" button top right as on my local rag so you can continue without cookies as easily as you can continue with i.e. one click for either option:
https://www.larepubliquedespyrenees.fr/
STW is amongst the most annoying styles in that you look at it and think the cookies are off then find you have to manually uncheck every one induvidually.
Edit: the BBC link in the post is no longer EU compatible. The Beeb have only in the last few weeks had that pop up which allows you to unckeck unwanted cookies. Prior to that I failed dismally to stop their cookies because when you went through the system their cookies were still there.
Er tampons. [as a brexit benefit]
Unless we’ve missed it.
A point of order here is that the EU didn't enforce VAT on sanitary products. Rather they legislated that tax couldn't be removed unilaterally. Ie, the reason we had VAT on tampons up until recently isn't because a Big Boy Made Us Do It, it's because the UK set it prior to the EU rulings. It's a bit like being proud of yourself for no longer beating your wife.
Once again this is blaming the EU for a problem of our own creation.
Its all the nasty EU’s fault. They’re ‘punishing’ us for leaving, apparently
It's funny, isn't it. You'd think that because we "held all the cards" it wouldn't be possible for them to punish us.
Not to escape the EU closing the tax dodging loophole in Jan 2021 then?
I can't remember the logic exactly, it was years ago that I read it, but for all the things you can account to brexit I'm pretty sure this one isn't true.
In other words the idea its easier to sell your product by making people hate the competitor or paying for fake news stories that will polarise the electorate.
I saw a documentary a little while back talking about US presidential elections, the primary tactic there is to go "look how shit that other guy is, you don't want him in charge!" There was one who stood out to me as bucking the trend, I think it was Bob Dole but I might be misremembering. He made a big thing about not doing that and instead promoting his own positive points rather than slagging off the other candidate. He suffered one of the worst defeats in history.
Brexie: Yeah but, no but, what I mean is why can’t they just let us leave and carry on as before?
Grownup: Because you don’t get to pick and choose which bits of a club you like and which bits you don’t – especially if you have just left that club.
Moreover,
We are just carrying on before, it's just that 'before' isn't what we think it is, this initial premise is flawed. To extend your club analogy:
We want to keep fit so we build a little home gym. Exercise bike, treadmill, a few weights. Then a huge David Lloyd gym opens up just down the road. Great, we think, and sign up. Suddenly we don't need our own exercise bike et al so we give it all away.
Then one day we decide to brexit cancel our gym membership. Now we suddenly realise, too late, that we can no longer jump on a treadmill and are feeling hard done by about it.
The uncomfortable truth is that we've gone back to a before where 'before' is not before we joined, it's a 'before' as non-members and without all the other stuff we had prior to joining because we got rid of it all when it was no longer needed. If we want to go for a run now, we'll either have to get onto ebay and buy a new treadmill or go outside in the pissing rain. Or just sit here eating pies and blaming David Lloyd for punishing us.
Thank I need a like button for that, Cougar - that's a pretty good analogy...
Nah, the little home gym never had a treadmill in the first place... but it was so long ago that we forget that... rose tinted specs and all that.
Brompton attempt #2 is now in customs and hasn't moved for three days. Seamless.
I've ordered a few spares from Ali China to give new life to our old Bromptons, that's how confident I am. But Maqdame would still like a shiney new red one, I can have her old one and junior can have my old one. It'll be interesting to compare how the transport from China and the UK compares.
I fear Brexit will play into the hands of the Chinese. A handlebar from the UK (no doubt sourced from teh same people in Taiwan) would have cost 55e plus post plus unknown taxes on delivery. The exact same bar from Ali is 4e38 plus 4e post plus unknown taxes on delivery. The bar isn't available from anywhere I can find in the EU, the nearest was a Chinese-sourced carbon bar for 110e from Perpignan. Thing is I wouldn't have spent over an hour hunting on Ali before Brexit induced worry over delivery to here from the UK. I suspect you people will have the same attitude to things you used to buy from Europe.
Not yet. Good coming from Europe aren't getting the scrutiny at customs - they don't have the infrastructure in place. We're in an odd place where everything traveling from UK to EU is going through the full gamut of customs scrutiny and paperwork but nothing coming the other is. Strange way to take control of your borders...
It may change come June but I haven't seen any evidence of a massive customs recruitment drive.
I ordered some parts from R2 bike (Dresden iirc) on Wednesday night and they arrived Monday with no additional fees or anything over the EUR12.50 DPD shipping.
Maybe on low value its just sailing through, but we're seeing delays of up to a month going both ways, although it does seem like stuff coming into the UK is smoother (perhaps because of the mentioned lack of scrutiny) than stuff going the other way.
We've had some kit face serious delays early on. One piece went AWOL for over a month at ~70k list price after we returned it to our customer. We ended up buying another unit from our NJ office which was shipped here, checked over here, then shipped there. Their unit eventually was returned to us by ups.
It seems far more effective to get recipients to arrange shipping for some reason. It may be as simple as getting language more accurate on the paperwork I guess. Who knows? It works for us as we're b2b.
BBC going full in with the gaslit nation stuff now… pretending that no one warned that Brexit would effect NI before the referendum vote…
https://www.bbc.com/news/56763859
I mean, they carried the joint appearance of past Tory and Labour PMs in NI to warn us all… the selective amnesia starts now? Do they basically mean that media didn’t cover the issue enough?
PM says he is ‘sandpapering’ protocol signed with EU, which he says has been misinterpreted
Boris really doesn't get the gist of the situation does he? How can you 'sandpaper' clear rules, rules that he himself signed up to! When he says they have been misinterpreted what he really means is that he didn't understand them at the time so had no idea what he was signing the country up to.
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Full MemberNot yet. Good coming from Europe aren’t getting the scrutiny at customs
On small stuff anyway, not so much for high value stuff. Unsurprisingly when we Took Back Control none of the actual systems or staffing existed to actually do that so really it's Not In Control.
I'm pretty sure that it's knocked on and affected worldwide customs/duties too, I get a lot of stuff from china that's in the "should be taxed but often isn't" band and it seems that way less stuff is getting taxed than this time last year. I get a bill probably half as often just now at most. Suddenly the overall task of managing taxable/dutiable imports is massively harder.
My sample size isn't big enough to state that as a fact but it's big enough that I'm personally pretty sure, and happy taking it into account when ordering stuff.
Boris really doesn’t get the gist of the situation does he?
what he really means is that he didn’t understand them at the time
He gets it completely. He understands what he has done completely. He promised the hard liners in private (some now in the cabinet, some others who have retold this on the record now) that he would do exactly this... sign up to measures for NI purely to get Brexit over the line, and then slowly but surely destroy it all, no matter what the consequences.
Boris really doesn’t get the gist of the situation does he?
Modus operandi from day one. Also, he has used Big Words like 'protuberance'.
If you cannot blind them with science...
Johnson has just lied and lied and lied with one goal in mind - his own advancement. The cowardly wimp will tell everyone something different and the last person to leave the room will be the one who gets what they want. Then he'll push out clouds of ink and bullshit to put off the inevitable confrontation with the reality for as long as possible. He knows no other way. Duck issues, avoid scrutiny, kick can. The problems are then everyone else's to deal with. The ****.
Johnson was only ever a front man for the Brexity loons. They'll **** him off when they're done with using him. He won't care. The fat pig has a lifetime's supply of swill and muck to roll around in.
Liars and conmen. And the masses love it.
🤮
Not yet. Good coming from Europe aren’t getting the scrutiny at customs – they don’t have the infrastructure in place. We’re in an odd place where everything traveling from UK to EU is going through the full gamut of customs scrutiny and paperwork but nothing coming the other is. Strange way to take control of your borders…
It may change come June but I haven’t seen any evidence of a massive customs recruitment drive.
I ordered some parts from R2 bike (Dresden iirc) on Wednesday night and they arrived Monday with no additional fees or anything over the EUR12.50 DPD shipping.
Don't count on it. Just shelled out fifty quid in fees and tax/duty on some items from Germany. Brexit supporters can get ****ed.
Don’t count on it
I wouldn't!
How much had you spent?
Remember the Brompton I ordered at the end of March? Well UPS still can't find it. And the second one Brompton sent? Well UPS can't find that one either now. Seamless.
Another thing, Britain agreed to giving licenses for fishing rights to a limited number of foreign boats. So French fishermen applied. The Brits then demanded proof of having fished in UK water in the form of GPS tracks from 2016. Thing is, most French boats didn't have the tech to do that in 2016 so can't apply. And even the boats that have succeeded in getting in getting a permit are to faraid to use it for some reason. Result: tit for tat blocades in French ports.
Cripes! UPS!? They've been the worst for us. DPD or DHL have both been good or any of the European carriers really. Funny that. 🤔 At least it's on Brompton to sort but frustrating that you're having to wait.
Cripes! UPS!? They've been the worst for us. DPD or DHL have both been good or any of the European carriers really. Funny that. 🤔 At least it's on Brompton to sort but frustrating that you're having to wait.
Lol, "brexit superstar Liz Truss"
I wish it was all fun and games
But the price of fame is high
And some can't pay the way
Feel trapped in what you rappin' about?
Tell me what happened when you lost clout?
The route you took started collapsing
No fans. No fame. No respect. No change. No women and
Everybody shits on your name.
So you want to be a brexit superstar?
And live large
A big house. Five cars, You're in charge.
Comin' up in the world.
Don't trust nobody got to look over your shoulder constantly
"Brexit disaster, Australia to 'prioritise EU deal as UK talks boil over"
Let them eat cheese I say.
Brexit is like a toxic fairy godmother:
'May all your fears come true'
Just driven past a large UKIP bill board stating '330,000 Immigrants enter the UK every year' the average Brexit voter must be scratching their heads a bit seeing as we've taken back control of our borders since Jan 1st
average Brexit voter must be scratching their heads a bit
I wouldn't bet on it. Lots of them can't read a Dominos menu without moving their lips.
27 days after being sent and getting as far as Carbon Blanc, Brompton #1 has apparently been found in Feltham in the UK. The good news is it wasn't the one on someone's sofa so not stolen.
Brompton # 2 has also been found but we don't know where it is because it isn't stated on UPS tracking. It's in a safe place apparently (Raiders of the lost Arc anyone?).
Good news I think, there's still hope one will arrive one day.
bexit bonus number 247
The EU is at an advanced stage of talks with the US over mutually recognising vaccine passports to boost transatlantic tourism this summer, but Brussels is yet to open discussions with the British government.
The good news keeps on a'coming.
Well, good news for the ROI dairy and meat industry, I expect.
This made me laugh.
I saw a loaf of bread the other day that reminded me of a 'Britain First' member - then I looked closer and realised it said 'Thick Cut'
How do wee think the European parliament will vote tonight? The advantage of voting in favour is that it gives full support to the NI protocol. The advantage of not signing? Well not much other than raising a digit really. So I reckon it will be voted through.
Phewy.
As I think has been said. Maybe not a bad thing the disagreement with AZ is going to court. Hopefully the truth will out.
Backing Brexit surely one of the biggest political self-pwns in history
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1387421902847754247?s=19
The house of cards that is Brexit is is beginning to extract its price it seems.
Unfortunately even those that despise it will be chipping in too.
Excellent news she had gone though. Superb stuff!
Maybe...
I’m no fan of hers but I do wonder if her departure means a lurch to the hard line elements of the DUP. If so, this would be very bad news for the NI peace process...
If they want votes they'll need someone relatively moderate or Alliance will hoover up their voters
An interesting couple of paragraphs from this article: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-56907858
Arlene Foster led the party's campaign in favour of Brexit, but struggled once its ramifications for the union came into view.
Betrayed by Boris Johnson when he signed up to the Brexit deal that would mean different trading arrangements for Northern Ireland from the rest of the UK, Mrs Foster faced accusations of poor judgement for trusting a prime minister who has disregarded the union.
She should have gone over cash for ash, but on the plus side for a united Ireland she has played a blinder.
Foster made on key mistake. Trusting Boris Johnson.
But at least she can be confident that the fault is entirely hers. I have to put up with the fact that I was dragged into all this against my will.
**** Brexit and all who sail in her.
I've got a new anthem for the DUP if they want it:
Was just about to post that. Another win for taking back control...
But the UK consumer is moving from cod and haddock to sardines, crab and langoustine, no? Oh…
June mummery on lbc at the moment not doing herself any favours with her Brexit fisheries deal she voted for, all ive heard so far is "TAKE BACK CONTROL"
https://twitter.com/june_mummery/status/1387849293797670913?s=20
I'm not even going to click on that joke of a news source the Daily Express.
She's trying to blame Starmer for Johnson's sterling work in screwing over her industry? There's a lot of that projection going on right now.
I didn't expect anyone to click on the express link, it was merely to highlight who Brexit politician June Mummery is and her relation to the fishing industry
I think the fisherfolk just didn't believe hard enough. What a shitshow.
and her relation to the fishing industry
Real 'leopards ate my face' territory there. She has literally pushed for the obliteration of her own business.
June Mummery is a ***king idiot.
If she isn't, she does a brilliant impersonation of one.
She has literally pushed for the obliteration of her own business.
Its worse, she persuaded others to vote for something which would destroy businesses in the area..
Looks like cod and chips is gonna get a price hake then.
I just listened to JoB and June.
What 'spell' is it that Johnson puts on folk, and do you need to be a particular type of person to fall for it?
There is no "spell" as such, only thick as in shit for brains stupidity masquerading as the Brexit death cult.
What ‘spell’ is it that Johnson puts on folk, and do you need to be a particular type of person to fall for it?
But June had fallen under Farage's even more inexplicable spell long before she fell for Johnson.
It can only be "shit for brains stupidity" combined with a large dose of selfishness and xenophobia.
do you need to be a particular type of person to fall for it?
Millions of people have, including highly experienced, worldly wise, well educated, intelligent political operators who have come to regret it. It absolutely isn't just the stupid, or those blinded by over zealous loyalty to country and countryman. There are so many cracks opening up because of his lies though, and they all need prizing open... every one of them, to show everyone just how duplicitous and damaging he is. While people keep following him, and being accepting of him, the mess he will leave in his wake once he is gone will keep pilling up, and take much longer to undo that it took for him to create.
It can only be “shit for brains stupidity” combined with a large dose of selfishness and xenophobia.
That's the basic explanation I keep coming back to for this 'bit of a mess'.