Joyeux Noel and Frohe Weihnachten to you all.
As hoped, we are all now too beaten down and weary to care much about how bloody awful the deal is.
Now done according to Sky
EDIT: Rowing back a bit now, still augurs well.
I've just turned on Sky news, the quote is that talks are "in the end phase" and they are still talking.
Even if a deal is announced you still have to persuade the European parliament to vote for it and all the commissioners to forego their veto.
This is what happens when people who probably are not capable of managing a cooked english breakfast, are in charge of managing an entire country.
Our MP's probably use slip on shoes in private becasuse tying thier laces is usualy done by the staff for public appearnces.
Gah
Even if a deal is announced you still have to persuade the European parliament to vote for it and all the commissioners to forego their veto.
It only takes one member to Veto the deal.
27 soverign nations Vs 1.
TAKING BACK CONTROL!!!
The deal if it exists is being brokered on behalf of the 27 nations, by the EU as a whole, therefore none of them should have reason to refuse.
The EU parliament is party based and can turn down a deal that even their heads of state agree to. As it is some countries are not happy with what's being agreed.
The deal if it exists is being brokered on behalf of the 27 nations, by the EU as a whole, therefore none of them should have reason to refuse.
Thats not how the EU works - it being a multilayered democracy ( of sorts)
How very dare they, don't they know who we are?
I'm getting tired of the it's on again off again nonsense.
En anglais?
Sarcasm then brexit fatigue.
The fallacy laid bare...
All EU members are thier own countries and have the power of veto. As did we.
Try and expain that to a Daily express reader.
Tu n'en vaux pas la peine.
Not a smartarse question Ed, but why “la peine” and “en” in the same sentence? Is that how it’s said or can one leave out “la peine?”
Tu n’en vaux pas la peine.
Ouch! I appreciate you live in France, but please try to appreciate that most people in the UK do not want to leave the EU. we have family and friends spread all over, and brexit, at least from my perspective, is a self destrucive removal of my personal freedom, a removal of my rights and freedoms.
My human rights have been taken away because of a bunch of rich racists.
I used tu not vous making it a specific reply to one member, so don't consider yourself concerned, Mattyfez. A member who joined in November 2016 as some leave-voting STW members disappeared and then reappeared with new pseudos. The hate-the-EU discours gives the game away.
Odds on whatever deal they announce (if they do announce one) making it past the EU and UK votes? I have a sinking feeling they will try and paint it as a deal was done in time but those pesky unelected EU beaurocrats/Labour scuppered it at the last hurdle.
Makes for good headlines over the New Year and delays the chaos for a week or so.
Odds on whatever deal they announce (if they do announce one) making it past the EU and UK votes?
95%
I have a sinking feeling they will try and paint it as a deal was done in time but those pesky unelected EU beaurocrats/Labour scuppered it at the last hurdle.
Nah only 40 odd headbangers in tories, Labour will back a crap deal as no deal is insanity
EU may be more of an issue,MEPs not bothered about lack of time to scrutinise & remember the Walloons & CETA!
But they'll find a way to get it through
The rw press will laud Johnson as our saviour & hero
A few months down the line before they realise how much of a shitshow the deal is
Sigh
I used tu not vous making it a specific reply to one member, so don’t consider yourself concerned, Mattyfez
I appologise. But I am concerned.
I think the chances of the EU parliament rubber stamping whatever Michel Barnier agrees is highly unlikely, Mefty. They've not done it yet so why would they? It's generally years of debating ammendments to make everybody happy. Check out all the ammendments to the CETA before it was voted through.
German TV reporting a deal as good as done and EU parliament ready to meet tomorrow morning to give emergency ratification for 1st January
Edit. Though only as a temporary solution pending full scrutiny in the new year
emergency provisional ratification
Edit: that's better, Welshfarmer 🙂
Yep
Do our MPs have to vote on it?
Is there any chance of this deal being decent for those of us who didn't want Brexit, or in meeting the will of the people is it hard exit for all?
Check out all the ammendments to the CETA before it was voted through.
In the EU parliament there don't seem to be any.
EU parliament ready to meet tomorrow morning to give emergency ratification for 1st January
They might as well go home for Christmas, EU Council can apply provisionally unilaterally.
A continuity and allignment deal would have been quite easy so it clearly isn't going to be that. The withdrawal agreement is already harder than initially mooted in that a lot of indidual rights and reciprocal arrangements were wiped out with it. The trade deal is unlikely to be all of the avantages for business of being in the EU, we'll just have to read the text and see what's gone.
Statement from Johnson at 7pm
Merry Xmas!
Is there any chance of this deal being decent for those of us who didn’t want Brexit, or in meeting the will of the people is it hard exit for all?
Not much chance of that, pretty hard brexit
Is there any chance of this deal being decent for those of us who didn’t want Brexit, or in meeting the will of the people is it hard exit for all?
Well no FoM, but the question is the level of alignment. Reality is that the closer the UK remains to the EU the more easily achievable EFTA/EU membership is. Obvious other issues EHIC, Horizon, Erasmus etc will become clearer in the coming days.
What annoys me is that if a trade deal is agreed, all the brexiteers will claim brexit as a whole was a success even though the trade deal is just one thing out of many reasons I wanted to remain.
"As hoped, we are all now too beaten down and weary to care much about how bloody awful the deal is."
Like a child nagging for something in a shop over and over..... everyone has a point where the stress and exhaustion get the better of them and they just give up giving a damn.
I don't see the deal Barnier and Frost presenting being too bad. It's just that I don't see it surviving scrutiny by 27 countries and I don't know how many EU parliamentary groups. This is just the start point.
No announcement at 7pm by the looks of it, maybe later today and possibly tomorrow morning.
No announcement at 7pm by the looks of it, maybe later today and possibly tomorrow morning.
This is such a national embarresment.... the rest of the world is watching this.
All of a sudden...
Nothing happened!
Are they? I dont think anyone outside the UK really cares.
It's going to be the thinnest sliver of a deal isn't it? Granite hard Brexit basically with the real negotiations going on for bloody years...
The EU/ USA picking over our rotting corpse of a country. Less Scotland of course.
Moving on!
@dannyh Merry Christmas back at you mate and I think a 6 day break would probably do us all good to be honest. It's just so COMPULSIVE though.... Like actually watching the titanic sinking in ultra slo-mo in 8k with superb surround sound!
Are they? I dont think anyone outside the UK really cares.
You're right, they don't, they are just watching how not to run a country in future.
Maybe Boris could do "the ladybird book" on how to destroy an economy.
SO that's another brexit +, a book deal for a fat toff.
I don’t see it surviving scrutiny by 27 countries
Both sides were hatching a plan obviating the need for any scrutiny which could be terminal or indeed of any great significance. The EU parliament wont be an issue, never is.
Are they? I dont think anyone outside the UK really cares.
I've been exchanging messages with my mate who sells pigments to UK car industry clients among others. Believe me he cares and is tearing out what's left of his hair.
Are they? I dont think anyone outside the UK really cares.
The UK will need to start negociating trade deals pretty soon. Not just pretending to honour existing deals for an indeterminate period of time.
Put the shoe on the other foot, why would you make a deal with a known liar?
You got a link to this plan, Mefty?
The parliament can be an issue and is good at defending itself, you can be sure the parliament will be well advised:
https://www.ombudsman.europa.eu/en/decision/fr/120684
Put the shoe on the other foot, why would you make a deal with a known lier?
I guess they'll suddenly be 'under new management' at that point, and Mongo can head off for his book deal.
