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How long until the hard of thinking realise the entire brexit campaign was bullshit?
it’s all a remoaner (sic) plot.
Part of the success of the Brexit Ultras turning a slim referendum win into an 80 seat majority landslide was the culture war narrative of "they're calling you stupid".
Now who's taking who for stupid ?
"How long until the hard of thinking realise the entire brexit campaign was bullshit"
About a year. Ergo the discussion around who will replace Benny Hill. The knuckle daggers still have purchase within the Conservative party membership so will still demand a Brexit candidate. In a years time that'll be different, things will have gone Soylent Green and the baying will be for a sensible figure like (C)Hunt.
So as much as I'd like to see Truss get the job (for the spectacle if nothing else) theres a possibility that she would be dumped in a year and someone sensible put in her place making it harder for Labour at the next GE.
I'd rather see Billionaire Rushi Sunak get the Job, more chance of him sticking the course in a damp squib fashion. The country will tire of him and I'd fancy Labour's chances.
The short term benefit for the country (since we're stuck with a Conservative government for a couple more years at least) would be that Sunak is less mad than Truss.
My MP (Jenkinson) is pushing the ‘got Brexit done’ line hard and it’s all a remoaner (sic) plot.
It’ll be interesting to see if that will work – it might in this area (Workington).
Is that because they think Brexit is done?
The short term benefit for the country (since we’re stuck with a Conservative government for a couple more years at least) would be that Sunak is less mad than Truss.
Is that a "do I want to be shot or stabbed" type question?
If Sinai gets the job the fallout from Brexit will continue to make everything shitter, so by election time he might be tarnished which would be good for the opposition.
I'd like to see Mad Nad get the top job.
Or that MP who was calling for the BBC to play the anthem every day when they stop broadcasting - which they don't any more - to unite the country.
I mean, we're all going to hell in a handcart so why not strap in for the ride?
Rees-Mogg for PM!!!!
Rees-Mogg for PM!!!!
He gave one of his cringeworthy speeches on the House about how the Conservative party was honour-bound to support the Prime Minister.
Clearly he'd forgotten the moment when he sent a letter to the 1922 Committee calling for a VONC in Theresa May but you know, I'm sure that's just a minor detail...
Rushi is a Thatcherite, this will ho down well with the rank and file blue rinse brigade.
He will return to that style of government (small and low tax) he will be more comfortable in letting "things" fail he is after all like Thatcher probably a conviction politician.
Thing is he is not that sharp, we need to remember all he has done to date is write cheques with other people's money.
It is also good to remember that he was a junior member of the team that started the run on Leemans Bank in 2008.
He is funded by his Father in Law, Rishi is not a cheap shit like Boris who needs a few quid from people to support his "habits" for Rishi this is all a much bigger desire for global power and influence with his Father in Laws hand up his arse.
If you think Boris has been bad for poor people then watch Rishi (like Thatcher) simply abandon parts of the economy.
We need to be careful about we wish for.
"Is that a “do I want to be shot or stabbed” type question?"
Stabbed please.
A fair analysis oldmanmtb2, but should he get in, I don't think the billionaire is going to have a lot of ideological leeway. It's crisis management from here on in and should he follow his predisposition for financial austerity then he will be toast come election time.
Whoever gets the job, they'll be leaving the incoming administration with the biggest overdraught in history. The Tories might not even want to win the next election.
North of the border, we think BJ is doing a brilliant job for the IndyRef2 campaign so we’d like him to stay a little longer. He’s so toxic even Ruth the Mooth and Dougie3Jobs are trying to keep their distance.
Interesting Inskter, the Tories probably now think the next election is going to be difficult to win regardless.
Rishi could be the interim axe man to reset the economy (in the Thatcher image) and then step back by losing the next election knowing labour probably wont be able to make progress in a 4 year window.
How long before the revelations of coke & hookers in Downing St come out?
JimSue I’ll fix it.
I just have feeling that a Boris did everything within the rules won’t go down that well and is just a further continuation of the Paterson farce, the leaking of save big dog makes it worse if that’s how it plays out.
I think they’ll have to put someone in an interim fix.
How long before the revelations of coke & hookers in Downing St come out?
Well look how long the parties took to come out, the next question should be why it’s took so long.
I think the public would be more forgiving of Coke & Hookers.
How long before the revelations of coke & hookers in Downing St come out?
They were not hookers, they were unpaid interns on temp visas.
dudeofdoom
Well look how long the parties took to come out, the next question should be why it’s took so long.
I think it had to be acknowledged that Cummings has played the long game very well. Yes, others might have known some details about the parties but either weren't in a position to leak them or it wasn't in their interest to. Dom has one simple agenda, maximise damage done to Boris and by extension Carrie.
I think many in government and elsewhere thought it would all be dished out in a matter of weeks or a few months but there has definitely been a long term plan to maximise this damage.
I suspect there is more than just parties the Tory's need to worry about being leaked.
I think it had to be acknowledged that Cummings has played the long game very well.
I think thats overrating him. Several of the stories which came out clearly arent from him since he or one of his acolytes is involved (its amusing seeing him go ohhh that one really was work honest guv). This latest one which he did lead on seems as much as anything an attempt to distract from the one immediately before where he was in the photo sitting at a table with Johnson and co.
Well it’s pretty obvious why they protected Dom Bernard Castle now 🙂
This latest one which he did lead on seems as much as anything an attempt to distract from the one immediately before where he was in the photo sitting at a table with Johnson and co.
Makes no difference hes’s already been sacked 🙂
They were not hookers, they were unpaid interns on temp visas.
That made me laugh.
So the beer cooler that's reported as being bought specifically for the 'wine friday' soirées has a capacity of 134 bottles.
Lightweights.
It seems to too risky to be purely a dead cat strategy but it is surely telling that in the week of the crime bill and the government being found to have illegally handed contracts to their mates all anyone is talking about is wine in suitcases and stupid dancing videos.
So the beer cooler that’s reported as being bought specifically for the ‘wine friday’ soirées has a capacity of 134 bottles.
Thats about the volume of one well fed human.
So the beer cooler that’s reported as being bought specifically for the ‘wine friday’ soirées has a capacity of 134 bottles.
I thought it was 34 or thereabouts? The picture of the one being delivered looked about that size eg being carried by one bloke without too much hassle.
Lightweights.
Even with 34 so long as there isnt too many people and you put in a new one each time should be okay even for a hard working press team. Once you have got through a couple of bottles each you arent likely to notice it isnt as finely chilled as it should be for a 67 Sauvignon Blanc.
I think this one is a recently exhumed cat.
The upside to all this is that the Tory toffs have had to their day but as you point out, in the meantime a crime bill co-sponsored by Vladimir Putin is going pretty much un-reported.
Pressure needs to be continuously applied to the Police because they're not doing their job. I'll give the Lib Dems credit for this but it needs to go somewhere. The one rule for them mantra needs to be framed in terms af a completely corrupt establishment. With all the mates contracts and police malfeasance we are treading a similar path to the US, the criminals are getting away with it.
Much chance of that happening? Probably not. Part of me thinks that the Government knows the way things are heading and is prepared to egg on civil disturbance so they can jump even more heavily onto the Lora Norda ticket, Their best strategy for winning another term might be to provoke more chaos on the streets, They could give this whole culture war thing one last stab....
So who took a picture of Carrie at a nightclub & then sold it to the torygraph?
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1482470743204057094?t=PRj0Jz9KRBDxwxRMgxbNbQ&s=19
Oof! According to the story, that's a relatively minor transgression: it was September 2020; rule of 6, I think pubs were open so long as you stayed distanced.
But the Telegraph have gone as hard as they possibly can with it. Someone at the ST would appear to REALLY hate Carrie.
Still getting my head around the Mail and Telegraph going after Boris, Carrie etc.
The Sun is just whistling and looking away (for reasons we know) leaving just the Express cheering for him. Hell, even the Spectator can't be counted on.
Obviously their tack will change asap when it suites their pay masters but still... strange times.
Maybe Boris leaked it to his mates at the Telegraph so he could cite it in a divorce, what with his buyers remorse comment!
^^ lol, Evil sod you.😁
Sunday Times reporting a slew of announcements to save Boris:
He is openly blaming all his aides. A blood bath of a clear out is planned.
Military to be used "in the battle" to stop illegal immigration.
BBC licence fee freeze.
Booze ban at no10.
Unveil plans to tackle NHS backlog.
All Covid restrictions gone in 10 days.
He really isn't going to go of his own accord...
Still getting my head around the Mail and Telegraph going after Boris, Carrie etc.
The mail were somewhat confusing before dacres coup but now it is more simplistic. Johnson has delivered on what dacre really wants so doesnt have any real retention value now since his "I should be allowed to do anything I want" sometimes blurs into "and so should anyone else".
Telegraph are somewhat odder although they do currently have the barclays ownership crisis with all the infighting. Perhaps they want him back as their star journalist.
Or its just that its got so stupid now even they cant pretend it isnt happening so might as well pretend to care after all its a couple of years to the next election and this might give a false image of balance.
The upside to all this is that the Tory toffs have had to their day but as you point out, in the meantime a crime bill co-sponsored by Vladimir Putin is going pretty much un-reported.
Yep no-recourse to protest for the plebs.
Don’t forget that they are pushing to be able to change a courts ruling if they don’t like it as well.
The Tory toffs may well be having their day TBH.
Taking back control..the public may hate them for partying but the jigsaw pieces are slowly moving into position unless they are stopped.
The met didn’t seem too worried about steaming into the Sarah Evard vigil…
Ohh that’ll never happen here is what they say till it does.
IMO Johnson is simply incapable of understanding he can do wrong. He has never had to face any consequences for anything in his life before, his wealth and privilege have made sure of that. Now is this just arrested development / a consequence of his life or is it a sign of a mental disorder is hard to be sure but its clear to me he is simply incapable of understanding he can do wrong. Its always someone else's fault.
this will lead him ( like Trump) to cling on as long as he can because to resign would mean he would have to admit he has done wrong - and he simply cannot do so
He really isn’t going to go of his own accord…
Gotta get some use out of the redecorated digs after all the pain for the wallpaper.
Also got to use his covid gambit,if he can hang in longer and push the superiority of his handling of the situation.
Got Covid done…
I'll be honest, reading the headlines on his apparent plan to save his skin at all costs and for the first time I'm beginning to think there's a mental disorder at play and not just stupidity.
I’ll be honest, reading the headlines on his apparent plan to save his skin at all costs and for the first time I’m beginning to think there’s a mental disorder at play and not just stupidity
Why he’s got the excuse it’s his house to fall back on when he keeps stumbling on unexpected party’s which is a bit wishy washy but there are still people who want to ‘believe’ in him.
Army tick.
NHS tick
Immigrants tick.
It’s a bit like being on who wants to be a millionaire when you get that question you can’t answer may as well use all your lifelines, you may get lucky.
his wealth and privilege have made sure of that.
Just privilege I think, which he uses as a substitute for wealth.
He is openly blaming all his aides.
to quote Dennis Skinner 'When posh boys get in trouble the sack the servants'
I’m beginning to think there’s a mental disorder at play
I am not convinced. He is certainly narcissistic but unlike Trump I am not convinced he goes far enough to be a personality disorder
I think its just a consequence of never having had boundaries set for him and never really having to face the consequences of his actions
I think he is the classic emotionally stunted public school boy ( not all public schoolboys are but there is a strong correlation) Huge arrogance, sense of entitlement and inability to form proper relationships with people especially women. I thin Carrie Antoinette is actually just using him for her own gain
Im shocked I am, I don’t know what to trust anymore …….
Refers to the north south divide “levelling up” rhetoric. Research conducted by https://www.ippr.org but I’m not seeing the actual report yet.
Well things come in threes, Andrew is going to court, Djokvic isn't, time Johnson resigned. I had to agree while heartedly with Piers Morgan this morning on what used to be Mar's show, another thing I will hold against Boris. Oliver Dowden did well but when you're defending the indefensible it really doesn't matter. Hes sure Boris will take responsibility, yeah by taking the courageous step of sackjng everyone he can except himself.
If Boris wants to be a true clown he can bang on the silly 2030 green agenda of forcing people to drive electric vehicles. The impact will be so high most people will not afford to retire.
There’s no “forcing” people to drive anything. The only reason our government announced a date for diesel/petrol only cars no long to be on sale, is that the manufacturers had already said they’d have phased out production by then. Johnson is just following the lead of the private sector (who were nudged by other governments and realities you haven’t accepted yet).
what Johnson hasn't realised yet is trying to weasel out of it is just rubbing it in. In a way just a repeat/variation of the original piss taking.
And he runs the risk of anyone he dumps in Operation Petulant Poodle spilling more beans a la Cummings
Much as I dislike the man, I do have some sympathy for Johnson.
I see him as very much a product of a broken and unfair society.
He has had many privileges but he's also lost out in the lottery of life in many ways - that is nature and nurture and that has led to him almost certainly developing a personality disorder. It's pretty clear that Stanley Johnson is not anywhere near capable of raising a decent human being and while we all have free will and are not destined to be like our ancestors, having decent genes and a decent upbringing does help.
I'm sure he's aware of his own toxicity on some level at least and that's one of the reasons he abuses alcohol. Any brief flash of clarity and he reaches for the bottle.
So, the only thing I can really not forgive Johnson for is breeding and creating yet more damaged and damaging individuals for future generations.
what Johnson hasn’t realised yet is trying to weasel out of it is just rubbing it in. In a way just a repeat/variation of the original piss taking.
He does, it is just that the only way out is for him to fall on his sword but he would rather brass his case and get everyone else round him sacked on the offchance it will save his own miserable skin (but as you say I doubt the public will be having that) .
I very much doubt he has much influence over his kids life, I'd not be too worried about that.
We never see any of the older ones trading on that fame on social media do we? Carrie will **** off and have nowt to do with him either once whatever her devious plan is has been satisfied.
I do hope Sue Gray has spoken to the witnesses
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1482661167256555523?t=ayQ5SAs_jsaIceMsp7884Q&s=19
@tthew You don't think an absent father has an effect on his children?
Carrie may or may not have a devious plan but ultimately she chose him as the father of her children so I wouldn't be relying on her to bring up well balanced offspring.
I've no idea what his older kids do and I wouldn't know if they are on social media or not. Not sure that's even relevant. They may well be decent human beings but, if they are, they'll have done well to be so.
The Pilot there is nothing to feel sympathy for Boris for, and this is coming from someone who dislikes the prevalent attitude that anyone not proper working class is a privileged drain on society.
Boris had unbelievable advantages and his gross arrogance threw it away. He has no one but himself to blame. There are plenty if people from his background that had enough self awareness to not destroy themselves in the same way there are many who have created good lives from the most dysfunctional backgrounds in poverty stricken areas.
I'm not saying it's not possible @stumpyjon, I'm saying it's harder.
He's almost certainly got a personality disorder and they don't come from nowhere.
He's a hateful character but he's not one bad apple.
He's a product of a broken society, I mean, he managed to get god knows how many people to vote for him as leader of this country.
I don't really feel sorry for him I don't suppose, I feel despair at the state of a society that has produced a specimen like him.
Much as I dislike the man, I do have some sympathy for Johnson.
This I can't get on board with, but this...
I feel despair at the state of a society that has produced a specimen like him
... This I totally get, alongside the rage, confusion and despair that we put him in f***ing charge.
He is a badly damaged man who will never have a happy and contented life because of the emotional damage he got from his upbringing. The tragedy of it is he probably does not realise that well adjusted people can have much happier lives
On that level a bit of sympathy is merited.
On the other hand the damage he has done to the UK is so huge that he must carry the can for that and for that I loathe him
He’s almost certainly got a personality disorder and they don’t come from nowhere.
He has had many privileges but he’s also lost out in the lottery of life in many ways
There is no violin small enough.
^^^^^^
That's a very good article.
I get why people hate him. I just think we'd benefit more from trying to understand how he, and thousands like him, developed that way.
And yeah, I actually do have some sympathy for him. Because I don't think he's totally without self awareness. I think it's so tortuous for him, he's spent his whole life trying to get away from who he is. And that's partly his own fault no doubt but far from wholly so.
Anyhow, he's a dead man walking. God help us with who we are going to get next.
He is almost certainly a psychopath. Personality disorder is balance of nature (genetic) and the phenotype expression through nurture (early life experience). People need to stop calling him ‘a maverick’, ‘a character’ or whatever else to skirt around this, he has after all always keen to call a spade, a spade.
think theres something along the lines of Bipolar going on, the regular AWOL periods.
It’s pretty clear that Stanley Johnson is not anywhere near capable of raising a decent human being
Stanley’s an arse no doubt, but Boris’s siblings are not really the same as him, as far as I can see.
The newspapers sacked him because he was a lying c**t, As a Londoner, Us Londoners found out over eight years he was a lying c**t, (also with a lot of stupid buses, garden bridges and missing money) and now the rest of the nation are only just beginning to realise that who they voted for is a lying c**t.
He maybe the worst Prime Minister in living memory, and considering we have had May, Cameron, to a degree Blair, and Thatcher(who was the starting point for this decay), Johnson will probably be satisfied that he was once Prime Minister of this "great" nation...he is shameless after all.
and now the rest of the nation are only just beginning to realise that who they voted for is a lying c**t
Sorry but living in Scotland I take exception to that statement , I think you will find the majority of Scots knew full well what he was (and didn't vote for him), unless by nation you mean the English.
@thegreatape
I don't know much about his siblings but siblings are often treated quite differently to one another in dysfunctional families. The parents are often not even aware of it.
Also, children are assigned/take on roles so his siblings would all be different. We also don't know what their outside influences were as opposed to Boris's either.
What I do know about Rachel Johnson though is that she likes to call herself a journalist for relaying 'amusing' anecdotes about Ghislaine Maxwell and writing racist articles about Meghan Markle which doesn't say much about her.
ThePilot as with all siblings (apart from identical twins)they will have varying degrees of genetic loading for a personality disorder and so even with the same or worse early trauma/abuse they may never develop a full blown personality disorder. There are people who develop personality disorder without trauma or abuse.
Much as I dislike the man, I do have some sympathy for Johnson.
I see him as very much a product of a broken and unfair society.
I think what you mean to say is he has taken advantage of and manipulated a broken and unfair society.
He is a man thats grown up with extreme privilege and given opportunities the vast majority can only dream of. The man should be given no sympathy hes vile.
And as we go further and further through the looking glass in the banana republic that is Boris’s Brexit Britain, a nighthood for Gavin Williamson, presumably for the outstanding job he did as Education Secretary?
https://twitter.com/pippacrerar/status/1482489139903746055?s=21
No, it's not what I meant to say @joepud
I agree entirely that he's done that but he is also a product of a broken and unfair society.
He is clearly vile. He was clearly vile to Damian Furniss in pondo's post above. But as that post says, he was trying to "amuse his posh boy mates". Posh boys exist in an unfair society.
Not everyone would have behaved like Johnson did but sadly he wouldn't be alone in choosing to behave that way.
As for the privileges he had, it's really irrelevant. Privilege doesn't stop you from becoming a nasty barsteward. It also doesn't protect you from bad things happening to you and shaping the person you become. I'm not excusing Johnson. I'm just saying it's really irrelevant what opportunities he had and it smacks of jealousy. And that's entirely understandable but it brings us back to the unfair society of which he is a product.
I’m just saying it’s really irrelevant what opportunities he had and it smacks of jealousy.
It’s not irrelevant … because without them he wouldn’t be PM.
Ive zero time for Boris.
I know plenty of people that had genuinely tough childhoods and have gone on to be decent people.
He's made his own bed.
Holy shit. Sir ****ing Gavin? That useless grinning **** is my MP, and as effective and responsive as you'd imagine.
He is clearly vile. He was clearly vile to Damian Furniss in pondo’s post above. But as that post says, he was trying to “amuse his posh boy mates”. Posh boys exist in an unfair society.
That kind of behaviour isn't just the remit of posh boys though. Bullying show offs exist in all sorts of groups.
ThePilot
Yes, fair points.
Not necessarily true @kelvin
I once knew someone who went to an Eton-type school. Told her mother her brother was abusing her. Her mother didn't even flinch. I went to a comp. Whatever my parents' failings, my mother would not have ever let that happen. I have no idea what caused BJ to become what he has become. I'm just saying a privileged upbringing doesn't insult you from harm and possibly becoming harmful to others yourself.
MoreCash I would suggest that he behaved that way because he didn't feel posh or good enough and was desperate to be accepted. Just a guess but if he had felt good enough, he might not have felt the need to be so vile.
Sir Gavin is just a ****ing joke!