The boarding school here has a good number of black kids. Racism is certainly an issue but we are overwhelmingly divided by class not 'race'. The Tories have outshone Labour with appointing BAME people and so f what? We get Cleverley, Patel, Shah not Rashford or Mings, they are their to benefit their class not their colour. I bet Johnson laughs his socks off at the thought of them doing his bidding,
Ironic that a thread that is nominally about our glorious leader has been sidelined into one about the rights of Islamic women
What was the word, again, that he uses to refer to them?
As for the 'diverse' BAME cabinet members: summed up absolutely perfectly by Johnathon Pie a couple of years ago. More applicable than ever now....
Hold the front page.
Er… okay, you’re right… it isn’t news that this councillor’s car was torched, I shouldn’t have even brought it up. Sorry.
We get Cleverley, Patel, Shah not Rashford or Mings, they are their to benefit their class not their colour. I bet Johnson laughs his socks off at the thought of them doing his bidding,
Exactly. The line always trotted out when defending Patel is that she suffered racism in her life so she can be part of the problem. Seems to me like she is and suffering racism doesn't give a person exemption from their racist actions and behaviours.
Can’t remember.
Yeah right 🙂
What was the word, again, that he uses to refer to them?
In private or in public?
It was national news in May.
Tbh now you mention the May elections I do vaguely remember. I had completely forgotten. Thanks for reminding me 😊
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Anyone else subjecting themselves to the self flagellation of PMQs today?
I can't stand it but live in eternal hope of another gaffe from BJ, with a bit of cut through
Starmer is spoilt for choice really, where to start? He said his piece about the foreign aid cut yesterday so will probably lead with covid
Doesn't matter what he asks really
Boris now just completely ignores at and rattles on with his latest slogan involving the word 'vaccination' repeatedly
I expect 'Freedom Day' will get numerous mentions too
Unless of course it was Bangladesh where she could have become not just council leader but prime minister. Or ****stan
Or maybe she wouldn’t have as the UN feel;
The rates of violence against women remain high.
In Bangladesh, marriage, divorce, custody of children, maintenance and inheritance are subject to religious law and these ‘personal laws’ often discriminate against women
Or this maybe this is of interest when looking at enlightened Bangladesh
Men still dominate the country’s political system. With Hasina leading the country since 2009 and the main opposition party also being led by a woman, Bangladesh might appear to be a model for women’s empowerment in politics. However, out of 350 seats in the Bangladeshi parliament, only 22 currently belong to directly elected female legislators while 50 are reserved for women who are not directly elected. Female politicians and activists have described a culture of exclusion within the two main political parties, reinforced by male politicians who view their female colleagues as inferior. Still, the proportion of women in parliament has continued to rise over the past decade and women hold seats in 12,000 local political offices.
A local bloke in Marrakesh said to me 'two things you don't want to be in Morocco, a donkey or a woman.' You tend to get the most religion in the most unequal and repressive societies and having taught girls in Whitechapel (including the current MP) I never found evidence that Islam, or any other religion, is liberating for women (or men), quite the reverse.
Apologies for the diversion but the point has to be made.
Doesn’t matter what he asks really
Boris now just completely ignores at and rattles on with his latest slogan involving the word ‘vaccination’ repeatedly
I expect ‘Freedom Day’ will get numerous mentions too
It's scary how well his tactic of completely ignoring what Kier says works. The Speaker lets him get away with it too. He just goes in there and at every opportunity he just says the next pre-prepared bit regardless of what the question was, provided he can read the piece of paper anyway. Usually takes him a sentence or two to get on to a completely different subject, throw in a few key words and a stumble or three. Bonus points for a Latin phrase.
The Speaker lets him get away with it too.
lindsay Hoyle has been absolutely pathetic in the role of speaker. The way he is with Boris reminds me of those middle class parents who sip their wine and smile indulgently as their child charges around the pub, screaming.
We don't want to impose any boundaries on him because it might stifle his creativity
Boris realised a long time ago that he can basically do what the hell he likes and get away with it, so thats what he does
It’s scary how well his tactic of completely ignoring what Kier says works.
Politics today is **** all to do with policies and what it is actually going on on the ground.
It is perception management, othering, and using different channels to feed different prejudices.
We have got the politics we deserve as a country of insular, knuckle dragging, philistine halfwits.
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Doesn’t matter what he asks reallyBoris now just completely ignores at and rattles on with his latest slogan involving the word ‘vaccination’ repeatedly
PMQ is just this now, really. There were a few early stumbles by DePfeffel, but he soon realised there was no requirement to answer the question. Just come back with some half-arsed quip & move onto the next one.
The latest (well, for the last God knows how many months) seems to be "we vaccinate, they vacillate...." and so it goes on.
and so it goes on
And it will go on as long as the electorate are impressed by boorish bullshit. Seeing as how the electorate are boorish bullshitters I can't see an end to it.
The latest (well, for the last God knows how many months) seems to be “we vaccinate, they vacillate….”
repeated again today.
He was rattled today, because he knows in the issue of racism he hasn’t got a leg to stand on. All people need to do is quote his own words back at him
So he went with his other well worn tactic: bare-faced lying.
https://twitter.com/writesbright/status/1415267690890113024?s=21
He was rattled today
Yeah, so busy laying the culture war trap down for Starmer to fall into, that they hadn't noticed they'd fallen into it themselves.
Idiots
Don't be so despondent, the different issues brewing up are likely to have a major effect on many people and the territory can change pretty quickly. Rashford et al have helped show that not all the football supporters are lemons, people can be educated and persuaded if they're given a lead. However the LP have rejected MMT for May's NMMT and playing catch with the tories. If and when the matters hit the fan, the LP will gain nothing from any anti-government actions and protest, but will be on the sidelines saying that demonstrators should get all the kickings they deserve. The LP becoming small, irrelevant and unaccountable does fit the agenda of some of their backers: a party where self-selecting rightwingers find a safe space to pick up a nice income and lifestyle whilst simultaneously talking trickle down and kissing the a of big business.
Does “we” include all his cabinet?
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/priti-patel-will-not-condemn-booing-fans-kgmln2765
The government have co-opted an approach used in the USA… “we don’t condone racist behaviour, but we do support those who fight back against anti-racist measures and messages”. Fingers crossed it’s starting to fall apart now.
This will blow over & normal poisonous culture war service will be resumed
Because if you strip away the culture war stuff, the Tories have very little else.
The Tories don't need anything else. They win on account of no opposition.
Boris didn't invent ignoring the question. Been going on as long as I can remember.
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Full MemberBoris didn’t invent ignoring the question. Been going on as long as I can remember.
Sure, but he's mastered it. People used to much about giving half answers, or turning the question to a direction they want it to go. Cameron used to be an artist at this. But all wasted effort when it turns out you can just answer "YER MAW SMELLS" to everything
no opposition
Meme of the year. But only one party is in government. Only one person is PM. Only one person is Home Secretary… we can’t keep blaming the actions of Miliband/Corbyn/Starmer and Burnham/Abbott/Thomas-Symonds for the actions of this government. If there really is “no opposition” then there is no need for the PM and his Home Secretary to do anything other than what they think is right… they had no need to play the “you boo the anti-racist players if you want to” game.
They win on account of no opposition.
Come on now. Thats not fair. Between them, Tyrone Mings and Marcus Rashford have repeatedly humiliated the government over the last 12 months 😉
I hope that todays encounter and the last few days has shown that maybe it might actually be worth the Labour Parties time to engage in the Tory's culture war, instead or running scared from it, now that we appear to have seen its limits
Maybe they shouldn't have required an Aston Villa centre back to show them where those limits were
If Boris Johnson is planning to ban on line racists from football matches, will he also ban racist journalists from Parliament? One can only dream 😕
Editted because he should be called Johnson
ban racist journalists from Parliament?
Column writers, rather than actual journalists, yes?
I stand corrected kelvin 🙂
ban racist journalists from
Parliament?becoming prime minister
Banning racists from the tory party would create a black hole.
maybe it might actually be worth the Labour Parties time to engage in the Tory’s culture war, instead or running scared from it
I doubt it. It's been ingrained into the Labour leadership not to touch it with a bargepole, after all they still need the votes of those folk who share Johnsons and Patel's views on "talking a knee" to get themselves elected into government.
Labour front benchers are happy to follow the lead of footballers… rather than lead themselves… whether that is “cowardice” or simply trying to avoid making the issues party political, I’m not sure… I’m inclined to the former… but it is the case that the Conservatives have tried to get taking the knee to be seen as “woke” or “leftist” rather than a protest against racism.
the lack of leadership has been an issue with labour since the early Blair years. The use of "focus groups" meant that the leadership follows the mood of the country ( and often does not get that right) rather than lead the mood of the country
I thought blackford was devastating today. Genuinely contemptuous of Johnson and quoting his racist comments back at him. It was great to see
The HoC was a bit rowdier today but it was mainly gobby Tory MPs talking unchecked over starmer
More knives being sharpened...
BBC News - Conservative MP Steve Baker urges party to back players taking the knee
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57828402
He's just got no-one to answer to. Saying that I have spoken about it before. Not apologised for it many times & given an opportunity to say I am sorry for those terms.
Editted because he should be called Johnson
This deserves emphasis.
Never, ever refer to that **** as 'Boris'.
That is half the problem, the faux familiarity with an electorate he actually despises, but loves mugging off.
He is 'Johnson' and it needs spitting out with as much venom as you can manage.
"Labour front benchers are happy to follow the lead of footballers… rather than lead themselves"
I think Labour were right to stay out of the culture wars and wait for it to blow up in the government's face, as someone earlier mentioned, the Tories set a trap for Labour but Labour didn't bite, the Tories got complacent and fell into a trap of their own making.
Whatever 'Culture' is, it is constantly changing. If you start a culture war upon which your idea of culture is fixed, you will inevitably be taken over by events. The government's culture war policy had a use by date and it looks like it has just expired and is starting to go mouldy on the shelf.
I so hope you’re right.
Another fine PMQs from our celebrated entertainer of a PM today …
Will his shtick ever wear thin with the public?
Sorry, fake news… that must be an old photo… Hancock is on the front bench. Remember him?
I hope I am right...
In my lifetime attitudes towards race have been shaped more by culture (sport, music, art) than politics. As alarming as the last few years have been I've never given up hope that things can improve but I've never put my faith in politicians to deliver that change.
It comes as no surprise to me that this particular culture war died on a football field and that the debate then coalesces around a piece of street art.
It's hard fighting a culture war with Vera Lynne, a painting of a Lancaster bomber and a few old statues as your ammunition when the other side's got Stormzy and Banksy.
