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^^ He'll be late for it either way.
will he or wont he?
cheese or wine or both ?
As much as I despise BoJo if he does go then he’s just going be replaced by some Tory tosser .....
Well until recently that tosser appeared to be Sunak but apparently the new darling of Tory activists now is Liz Truss.
She is seen by many to be more determined than Sunak in returning the Tories to full-blown thatcherism.
If Sunak became leader I could see him having the commonsense of calling an early general election and guaranteeing himself a minimum of 5 years.
Labour aren't offering any real alternative to the Tories and at the very best are level pegging with them in the polls. With Johnson out of the way Sunak could argue that the Tories were under new management, Labour were not to be trusted, and that he needed a mandate.
It is reasonable to assume that Sunak would win a comfortable majority to embark in 5 years of tax cuts and austerity.
I'm not sure what Truss would do. Although I have no doubt that she would be determined to put the 'great' back in Great Britain, just like Thatcher did, so I am told.
People need to check out who owns what to understand the bigger picture. I despise Boris and his chums as much as the next man, but please wake up to the world around you. The majority of the media is ultimately owned and controlled by a few very large investment firms. The same firms coincidentally that are some of the largest shareholders in the vaccine manufacturers:
Take one group of newspapers, Reach Plc. It's brands include the Daily Mirror, Sunday Mirror, Daily Express, Sunday Express, Daily Star, Sunday Star, Sunday People, Daily Record and Sunday Mail. Its regional footprint includes the Manchester Evening News, Liverpool Echo, Birmingham Mail and Bristol Post. In Ireland, the Company is a publisher of national and regional news brands with a portfolio that includes the Irish Daily Star, Northern Irish and Irish editions of the Daily and Sunday Mirror newspapers, the Sunday People newspaper.
So who owns Reach Plc? The biggest shareholders are listed here:
The biggest shareholders are all investment funds, who ultimately are owned by other investment funds who are ultimately all owned by the funds at the top of the tree, BlackRock and Vanguard. There was a good video explaining all of this somewhere but I can't remember where I found it.
The same firms coincidentally that are some of the largest shareholders in the vaccine manufacturers:
Lemme guess, they own all the tinfoil-hat manufacturing facilities as well??! 🤯
If you want to complain about conglomeration and corporate control of the media then preach, brother. It's when you start turning that into a wacky conspiracy theory that you can get in the sea.
What’s the conspiracy? That pharmaceutical companies have resisted having their vaccines produced in large enough numbers, and low enough cost, for worldwide use? And that they’ve used their investments in media groups to pressure governments into letting them restrict supply and retain closed patents?
ultimately all owned by the funds at the top of the tree, BlackRock and Vanguard
Who undoubtably hold the shares in the form of their index trackers on behalf of tens of millions investors in the shape of pensions and ISA's.
The majority of the media is ultimately owned and controlled by a few very large investment firms. The same firms coincidentally that are some of the largest shareholders in the vaccine manufacturers
It sounds as if they might all be working together, you could call it a conspiracy in fact......to establish a new world order?
I'm so glad you joined stw today to warn us rutrider.
It sounds as if they might all be working together, you could call it a conspiracy in fact……to establish a new world order?
I’m so glad you joined stw today to warn us rutrider.
Please open your eyes, look at the link I posted and don't shoot the messenger.
Johnson's got a week b4 north Shropshire byelection
I think there's a real possibility he could lose it now
Polls due out at 6pm tonight
Stratton was a bad hire by Johnson, but the perception of throwing her under the bus not the smartest
extract from your whack doodle "news" paper.
BlackRock and Vanguard form a secret monopoly that own just about everything else you can think of too. In all, they have ownership in 1,600 American firms, which in 2015 had combined revenues of $9.1 trillion. When you add in the third-largest global owner, State Street, their combined ownership encompasses nearly 90% of all S&P 500 firms.
Yup, global index funds companies hold big share holdings of all traded companies. That is precisely what they do.
Only It's not a CEO of Vanguard et al who personally owns the shares, its billions of us Little People who hold the shares through our pensions.
Please open your eyes
Makes you think.
Stratton was a bad hire by Johnson, but the perception of throwing her under the bus not the smartest
And what exactly has she lost her job for? Making reference to a party that, a year later, her boss repeatedly said didn’t happen?
@rutrider - new account today and straight into spouting bollocks. The question is: who were you posting as before?
Please open your eyes, look at the link I posted and don’t shoot the messenger.
Your links to a US anti-vax site?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_Health_Defense
A bit transparent. Shouldn't you make, I dunno, five or six posts of something reasonably coherent to lure people in before getting into spinning eyeballs territory?
Please open your eyes, look at the link I posted and don’t shoot the messenger.
I did look at the link rutrider. I noticed you linked to an article by "children's health defense", an organisation which campaigns against the fluoridation of water. Which is of course such a worthy cause.
After all, a foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual, and certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works.
A Tory backbencher now on sky news saying he can’t continue if he’s lied to parliament. He’s finished. Gone by Christmas?
Mods can you reopen the Liz Truss thread? I think we'll be needing it soon. 😄
After all, a foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual, and certainly without any choice. That’s the way your hard-core Commie works
Finally - someone talking sense!
Mandrake, do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk... ice cream. Ice cream, Mandrake, children's ice cream.
Gone by 6.05pm hopefully.
rutrider, you've used at least a few conspiracy catchphrases that immediately makes me move to the next post.
I'm curious though, why the need to "convert us"?
There is no hidden conspiracy, the fraud, lies and corruption are plain to see these days. They don't bother hiding it in any real way.
Ironically, the noise generated by yourself and others generates any smoke screen they might need.😐
There is no hidden conspiracy, the fraud, litres and corruption are plain to see these days. They don’t bother hiding it. Ironically, the noise generated by yourself and others generates any smoke screen they might need.
Fair point
Recent history suggests he’ll be replaced by someone worse, but I’m not sure that’s possible this time
Hi!
Aw give da rutrider a break (not a brake - he apparently has little interest in push bikes), not only has he posted on Blojo but he also share some thoughts on the anti-mask anger thread too!
1/3rd of the country still clinging on to Tories 😳
https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1468640320074223616?t=VqyO-IeEjDuYQTpFDPzwVg&s=19
He’s late for his own press conference
As usual
A Tory backbencher now on sky news saying he can’t continue if he’s lied to parliament
He does it on a weekly basis doesn't he ?
Why would this time be any different ?
I see Allegra Stratton has been made to fall on Boris Johnson's sword. He's work his way through everyone who was there minus a few important figures or those he wishes favours off later, rather than go himself.
An incredibly confusing Plan B it is!
Whitty blew his opportunity to call that geezer a duplicitous toad. Bottled it mate.
Go to work, but don’t go to work
Go to the pub, but don’t go to the pub
Etc, etc…
Standard
Whitty is too professional. We should say No Plan B until Boris fesses up about the party. Oh yeh, 'I was told it was within the rules' is not an answer matey.
I see Allegra Stratton has been made to fall on Boris Johnson’s sword.
It is probably the fact she refused to do it, that got her the boot.
He really is a dick, good to see Laura Kuennsberg put the boot in over the xmas party.
bwabababwbwbwbabababwwbwaaab.
Waffle waffle waffle
"The British public can see the importance of the message coming from the science" (paraphrased) You ****ing ****!
He really doesn't get it does he? What the actual **** is he waffling on about - the public is really angry and he goes on for 5 minute about Allegra and 30 seconds not answering Laura's question.
FFS. Just say, we were a bunch of ****in idiots. The longer you shuffle around it....
ITV brought up the 3 party's at least. I suspect many watching this don't even know about the other (alleged) party's that took place!
Gah! Is it parties or party's.😉
Massive crocodile tears from dear allegra. Must be a lot of onions just cut behind that door
A classic example of why you should never lie about something in public with the proliferation of smart phones - James Bond in the 80's would be astonished.
Blimey, Boris got off the podium sharpish at the end. All that jogging hasn't been wasted.
Was he saying goodbye as he left the room?
Breaking:
The MET have confirmed they are NOT going to investigate the party on the 18th...
What a surprise.
Guidance to wfm where is possible is completely pointless, make it a law or unscrupulous bosses will ignore the guidance and make their staff continue to come into the office even when their jobs can easily be done from home.
The met seems to be really missing the point here
https://twitter.com/Kevin_Maguire/status/1468662088327434248?t=VsuvpyX-h6yMcHk7gQ5DwA&s=19
Where does the pharmaceutical claim come from? I’d imagine consumer goods, retail and food dwarf drug advertising in the UK.
https://www.adbrands.net/uk/top-advertisers-in-the-uk.html
No sign of the malign presence of big pharma.
Mandrake, do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk… ice cream. Ice cream, Mandrake, children’s ice cream
Hope that's not a reference to me, this isn't my main account, but I'm not here to post anti-vax twaddle
Told you l the met would do nothing
I dont want Johnson to go now. I want him to limp on wounded a d dig a bigger hole. If he leaves now we risk the scenario ernie describes
I dont want Johnson to go now. I want him to limp on wounded a d dig a bigger hole. If he leaves now we risk the sce ario ernie describes
That depends how much of the Tories current support is down to 'the Johnson factor'
His polling is still relatively hi considering the sheer number of scandals and lies of his that have been exposed
BlackRock and Vanguard.
I read Matt Levine's newsletter and he occasionally muses about the growth of these firms. His take is pretty much the exact opposite of yours though. The pandemic has been hugely expensive and damaging so if they were exerting significant influence on the companies they hold it would more likely be the other way round. The profit made by pharma companies from the vaccine is dwarfed by the losses elsewhere so it would be in their interests to lean on the pharma companies to give it away for free.
Nis polling is starting to skid now, and he's looking like a liability , plus the new plan B has robbed him of the support of a group of his own team... That is what will finish him rather than the damage his greediness and incompetence has caused
I’m torn. I don’t want Johnson to go, and a more competent replacement win another 5 years. But we desperately need some leadership NOW!
Any new leader will get a boost in the polls - same as any government in a crisis gets a boost
We need Johnson to hang on grimly damaging the party with infighting and acrimony, chickens come home to roost and then to lose badly the next election.
My question in all of this is simply who leaked the practice press conference footage? I mean is it normal practice to hang on to footage of practise press conferences? For a year and then wait until a good week into a story not quite dying to release it?
The phrase is apparently "cut through" the Boris Bubble understand that it's one thing to get the press and Westminster in a flap, but if the dirty proles who's votes they might want start noticing what a shitbag he is, then it's a problem.
So he's had to throw one of the entourage under a bus, I'm sure her sacrifice to the project won't be forgotten, delivering that doorstep statement through her sniffles, and falling on the sword her boss had clearly just propped up for her probably marks her our as "reliable" under such circumstances. If there was no "quid-pro-quo" she'd be furiously dishing out her own leaks no doubt...
From here on though Boris is in uncharted territory, I don't think the press or the sweaty masses are biting, he's either going to have to offer a bigger (ministerial?) sacrifice or settle in for a rough couple of weeks...
Why is she the only one who has gone? What about the bloke she was joking with?
Anyone else noticed Johnson is going bald? Another couple of years and he will no longer be able to do his trademark "hairstyle" That will amuse me
Anyone else noticed Johnson is going bald? Another couple of years and he will no longer be able to do his trademark “hairstyle”
He is well into combover territory now.
My question in all of this is simply who leaked the practice press conference footage? I mean is it normal practice to hang on to footage of practise press conferences? For a year and then wait until a good week into a story not quite dying to release it?
Genuinely think its a Tory thing - I'm convinced that wild Peppa Pig was a deliberate ploy as Starmer was talking at the same conference and would no doubt be sounding better than Doris, but no news broadcaster was going to run with Starmer after that.
This one is Doris throwing her under the £350m bus, no doubt about it.
Why is she the only one who has gone? What about the bloke she was joking with?
You don't use all your sacrificial lambs in one go
You don’t use all your sacrificial lambs in one go
She also had the disadvantage of not really having a job after the Johnson presidental daily addresses were abandoned. The cop26 spokesperson bounced along for a while but she didnt really seem interested in it.
I must admit as much as i understood Boris's shortcomings and plain dishonesty he has exceeded even my low expectations.
If his office has been told there was no party and Boris has taken that at face value and repeated the same, you have to start speculation that Boris is either not in the loop on lots of stuff or is being continually "set up"
Either way all the evidence states he is not in charge and certainly not in control. The vitriol from his own backbenchers is something to behold
Anyone else noticed Johnson is going bald?
No I hadn't, I find his hair attracts remarkably little interest to me, has he developed a bald patch then? Surprising if he has as his father appears to have plenty of hair.
I'm not sure that it would be disadvantageous to him though. Surely it would enhance his image if Bojo the Clown had a large bald patch surrounded by long blonde hair?
For a year and then wait until a good week into a story not quite dying to release it?
The journalist said they’d had it for a while, but it was only once Johnson and his ministers were repeating the falsehood that there “was no party” that it became a clear public interest news story.
BBC Radio4 : The Media Show : How The Mirror and ITV News uncovered the political story of the year.
So there must be some pics/video from at least one of these events
with johnson throwing everyone he can under the bus someone will end up dishing the dirt
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1468673777215094787
matt_outandabout
Full MemberBoJo falling because of a Christmas party of fluffed speech is too low a crime for him to be recognised for. As a friend just tweeted – it is a bit like giving Harold Shipman a parking ticket.
Think of it as like getting Al Capone for fiddling his tax
Im not sure this is the dead cat he was looking for
@rutrider – new account today and straight into spouting bollocks. The question is: who were you posting as before?
I was wondering the same, there’s something oddly familiar about the syntax of his posts. I kind of have my suspicions, but not enough to speculate.
I’ve read a bit about ‘children’s health defense’ in a number of American news items via Flipboard, and they’re yet another bunch of extreme Right-wing nutters, feeding the vaxxer frenzy.
We’re not as bad yet, but unless the U.K. branch of the Qnut franchise is shut down, I can see us getting ever closer to how America is now.
Which is a terrifying thought.
Ernie - I'm just shallow 🙂 It would amuse me to see him lose that floppy haired buffoon image. Hard to keep it going when you are a slaphead
Daily Express: UK is greatest country! Truss displays leadership credentials as pressure on Boris builds.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1533463/Liz-Truss-news-uk-greatest-country-boris-Johnson-Christmas-party
The Foreign Secretary displayed her leadership credentials during a patriotic address at the Chatham House policy institute.
When do we start calling her Liz?
At this point, if a major tory player isn't setting up their leadership bid, you know they were at the party
Lol, good point northwind👍
The thing with Truss is, she might be popular with the Tory faithful but she doesn't come across well to a wider audience.
At all.
She'll desperately try to mimic Thatcher too, which will simply amplify how utterly mediocre she really is.
Utterly awful in front of a camera too, speechifying. Cringe worthy.
I feel knifing Allegra might be a big mistake. She is establishment press & the hacks won’t like the way he has treated her.
UK is greatest country! Truss displays leadership credentials
That must be why all those people are trying to get here from France.
Normally failing grayling responds to my moans within hours saying how wonderful everything really is. 24 hours and nothing, he must be waiting to see how much shit sticks.
^^ Wonder if he was invited?
I mean, he'd have been standing in the kitchen by himself but still...
I feel knifing Allegra might be a big mistake. She is establishment press & the hacks won’t like the way he has treated her.
At this point I remain unconvinced that she was knifed, but if that is indeed the case and she needs to be avenged then as long as there is some truth in the allegations, that Johnson personally knew and approved of Downing Street lockdown parties, then that should be relatively easy to do.
For that reason I doubt that she has anything that could seriously damage Johnson, probably because johnson didn't know and approve of lockdown violations, or at the very least that he 'knifed her'.
I'm sure that the lesson learnt from damage inflicted by Cummings isn't lost on Johnson, even if some people want to dismiss him as some sort of halfwit.
As someone who tends not to look at Johnson from a perspective of deep, almost pathological, hatred, I would be personally surprised if he had knowingly approved of lockdown breaching parties.
Partly because I don't think he is such a party animal that despite the obvious huge political damage it would with complete certainty cause him, that he would find it irresistible to hold a party in Downing Street. The possibility of getting found out, in any scenario, would be absolutely massive. It also seems unfeasible to me that Johnson cares so much about his staff that he would want them to have a jolly when the rest of the country was in lockdown.
Having said that I have to admit that my knowledge of the allegations that have been made is pretty limited, I'm really not that hugely bothered whether an alleged party occurred. Which is probably quite a widespread attitude among many people. There are so many more important issues. Including many that Johnson needs to be held in account for. This is almost a useful distraction, especially if it turns out to be untrue.
I feel knifing Allegra might be a big mistake. She is establishment press & the hacks won’t like the way he has treated her.
I don't know, she tried putting some rather Rightwing spin on stories while at the Beeb.
Jumping the fence to take a job with a charlatan like Johnson won't have endeared her, she's no right to expect any special treatment from the press.
There are so many more important issues. Including many that Johnson needs to be held in account for. This is almost a useful distraction, especially if it turns out to be untrue.
Like this :
iNews: What is the Nationality and Borders Bill? Priti Patel’s immigration plan explained and why it’s co.
https://inews.co.uk/news/nationality-and-borders-bill-what-priti-patel-immigration-plan-explained-1341687