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Johnsons mask u-turn is going to infuriate his backbenchers
Another poll out today with a labour lead
And crucially half of electorate say he should quit!
And this is b4 today's news
https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1464685458101714948?t=7pQSPuuLts2LZBrHbJFlMw&s=19
All chipping away at his standing in the party
That would be good news if it were like the Labour party where they would just leave him there to lose the election but as we know that won't happen with the tory party and they will replace him before risking that.
Staggering that only 13% of Tory voters think Johnson should go.
Staggering that only 13% of Tory voters think Johnson should go
Not really, how many people not happy with Daddy Pig will actually admit to being Tory voters. Those that do are still in the same state of denial as Trump supporters.
The level of delusion amongst tory ( all parties?) voters is off the scale
A wee debate yesterday on the scottish tories page where they were trying to deny pro independence parties have a majority - just flat out ignoring the greens! Very funny. Nothing would persuade them even showing the data that their stance was just factually incorrect
Same with Johnson - his core vote are so invested in him that they are blind to what he does wrong - and the slanted sources of info means that they do not really see the incompetence
and why care about the incompetence if it is not directly affecting you and you are better off under any type of tory party.
Impartiality means not criticising government policy… no, not China…
https://twitter.com/thealiceroberts/status/1464885984613515267?s=21
invitations should not be issued to those who have “spoken against key government policy”
Kelvin. Oh well there goes my invite🥺. It really does look like the Henry VIII playbook, which doesn't bode well for wife No2
Can't wait for the wording of the 'Oath of Loyalty', as drafted by The Daily Mail
He's on wife #3. 7 confirmed children.
Tbf I don't think he's had any of his wives decapitated

The mask wearing announcement was typical BJ thou,didn’t actually say much about wearing a mask and that had to be teased out of him by the journos and Javid was going to announce what they had decided.
Not what you’d call clear messaging.
Unwillingness to be associated with anything he perceives as vaguely unpopular is the sign of a true leader. He could have used his national platform to urge the public to accept and follow the new policy, but no, instead we got some shambling sulk whose body language screamed that he didn't agree with it and it was all Saj and Whitty's fault.
A colossal failure as a human, who has risen because he has a veneer of classical education and bonhomie disguising an utterly corrupt and self-interested void within.
Not what you’d call clear messaging
He’s consistent then?
invitations should not be issued to those who have “spoken against key government policy”
This is the same government that's apparently championing freedom of speech in universities. You know, as along as it's the kind of speech that Toby Young likes.
invitations should not be issued to those who have “spoken against key government policy”
and I got a right kicking for saying the tories were veering towards fascism! Gerrymandering the vote, blocking all criticisms, Appointing cronies to head all quangos, control of the media, creating "the enemy within" racist policies, anti immigrant rhetoric etc etc
I still don't think Tories will lose Bexley or Shropshire byelections, but they'll be getting twitchy in No10
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1465016780783562754?t=OClsj6YJB1E6YC0vONHBVg&s=19
Truss is literally on maneuvers
https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1465643655922913284?t=zwkCqPFuQa1-eFGr0wPJ2w&s=19
https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1465642685532880896?s=19
Apparently it's because she's getting Brexit done while bojo flaps about listening to "scientists" who want to kill Christmas.
Interesting to see the fall of Priti from grace in that graph.
Turns outs out "solving immigration issues" is actually a little harder than it sounds. Even after saying it would be so easy before you got the job. Another Brexiteer that never realised a border has two sides.
Go figure?
She'd be proud of some of the residents of Hastings though, attempting to block an RNLI shout.
It's not all bad though, in other news there are some non arsehats in Hastings too.👍
and look like Margaret Thatcher as much as possible
Thatcher looked like she knew what she was doing, so good luck with that.
The thing about that Thatcher in a tank image is that you'll never look at it and think 'Jesus ****ing christ what an absolute ****ing moron'
She’d be proud of some of the residents of Hastings though, attempting to block an RNLI shout.
Wonder where my brother in law was that day?
Turns outs out “solving immigration issues” is actually a little harder than it sounds. Even after saying it would be so easy before you got the job. Another Brexiteer that never realised a border has two sides
The irony is that the 'migration crisis' is something that didn't really exist just something the likes of Farage & Tories have gleefully whipped up & weaponised in the culture war & Patels reactions to it have turned it into an actual crisis
This is the same government that’s apparently championing freedom of speech in universities.
They're trying to slowly strangle HE. The view of this brand of 'Tory' is that the country needs less graduates and more insecurely employed worker drones. The only people who need to be university educated are their kids and their mates' kids. Britannia Unchained indeed.
Absolutely, wouldn't it be wonderful if it ended her political career, though I don't think that will happen for a second.
John Crace and Marina Hyde both on good form at the moment although to be honest the Government do make it very easy for satirical writers anyway...
It's a good job that when Boris said Covid would be beaten and gone by Easter he didn't actually specify which year that would be!
would be very surprised if its this close (shoropshire)!
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1465809974853054471
unoffical pact between LD & Labour allegedly
Boris Johnson’s interventionist approach to industry defies UK election vow
When Boris Johnson ran against Jeremy Corbyn to become UK prime minister in the 2019 election he would often criticise the ageing left-winger for his nationalisation plans.
“What we won’t be doing is some crackpot scheme that would involve many, many tens of billions of taxpayers’ money nationalising a British business,” Johnson said at the time.
Yet, under Johnson, the British government has taken an interventionist approach to struggling industries on multiple occasions.
"Ironically, Johnson has carried out more nationalisations than any Labour prime minister since Harold Wilson,” said John McDonnell, shadow chancellor under Corbyn.
Hastings is my neck of the woods, and a real split town. Its very arty and liberal, but also a big Brexity fringe.
One of its issues is a lack of industry - it has the largest proportion of workers employed by Public sector of all UK boroughs, so you can see how Austerity would hit hard down here.
Oh, and until she moved into my village this year, Lizz Truss was my mums MP in Norfolk - fair to say she isn't a fan!!!
I see in PMQ today our Sub-Prime has refused to deny there were partys in no10 last Christmas while the rest of the country were under lockdown.
Rember to follow the rules and save the nhs, unless your one of “us” obviously…
#stayelite
Not sure I liked this exchange.
Andrew Rosindell (Con) says the government cannot deal with illegal migrants while still constrained by the Human Rights Act and the European convention on human rights.
Johnson says the government is reviewing the human rights system. He says Labour should back the nationality and borders bill.
Interesting to see which papers run with Johnson Xmas party wheeze tomorrow for Bexley byelection
Surpressing tory turnout could see a likely reduced majority and more bad news for bozo
https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1465807096411217923?t=glrRVesPV8hEhPUE8J7Tgg&s=19
Johnson says the government is reviewing the human rights system. He says Labour should back the nationality and borders bill.
NO political commentators ever point out the elephant in the room with this that the european convention on human rights is enshrined in both Holyrood and the welsh paliament - and Westminster has no power to alter that short of suspending both parliaments. so whatever clever wheeze they come up with on this will be completely unworkable as the ECHR will still always apply in its entirety in Scotland and Wales
Its really amusing to me as any company working in all parts of the UK will still have to comply. UK wide legislation will still have to comply, any Uk citizen residing in Scotland or wales will still be protected under it
they are setting themsleves up for a huge fail if they try to do this
This government think Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are the equivalent to an English county each. And not a big county.
As do the political commentators and the rest of the westminster political parties.
I just do not get why no one has pinned them on this

It’s worth watching the interview by Peston with Matt Hancock. A man so utterly lacking in self-awareness it defies belief.
A total car crash. Torn a new one by Jess Phillips
If he’s going to give the same answers to the public inquiry then I’m sure Boris will be relishing that
https://twitter.com/itvpeston/status/1466186167611760644?s=21
This was followed by Theresa Coffey, another intellectual colossus
We truly are ruled by utter morons
It actually unusual for a career politician to look so uncomfortable even under pressure.
I suspect it's because he knows it's indefensible and to even attempt it just makes him look like more of a tosser.
The stench of corruption in this government is going to linger for a long time. I expect more tremendous will come out in time for the next election.
And Macron acutely describes Johnson as ‘a clown’
https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1466204111351816197?s=21
^^ And a knucklehead.lol
The US, have also said they won't be removing Trump's steel and aluminium tariffs from us over concerns we are going to screw up the NI protocol.
The tariffs on EU steel/ aluminium have been removed.
So basically we have yet another gun aimed at our head if we trigger article 16.
What is Frosty/ Boris to do?
Hancock really is the lowest
https://twitter.com/itvpeston/status/1466186167611760644?t=rVHPKncH4QkfwInqqBXcpQ&s=19
Not the performance the Tories would've wanted on the eve of a byelection?
Not the performance the Tories would’ve wanted on the eve of a byelection?
I'm not sure it will make that much difference TBH.
I agree, reduced majority at best in Bexley, it just speaks to poor planing /leadership in the Tory PR machine
What’s truly incredible is that that display was obviously little Matty’s idea of redemption and what he sees as the resurrection of his career.
I mean, how detached from reality can one person get?
I’m sure that in Tory Central they were just saying “please stop talking”
Can’t wait to see him getting a grilling when the public inquiry starts. I’m sure there are going to many many twitchy bums regarding that upcoming performance
Not the performance the Tories would’ve wanted on the eve of a byelection?
Who else could they get to go on and make fools of themselves though?
The honest ones really wouldnt want to go out and defend this behaviour so you end up with just those who think its fine.
Meanwhile; Liz does her best cosplay ‘look at me, I’m just like Maggie, honest!’ thing in preparation for her leadership bid

Dear god! Spare us this! Apparently its to ‘send a message’ to Putin. It’s just embarrassing
What is Frosty/ Boris to do?
Be all shouty in public, bang the drum, wave the flag then quietly accept a compromise that still damages the UK, but not quite as much as a total rift whilst sounding off about 'devious foreigners punishing the UK for Brexit'.
It's worked like a charm every time so far, why would they do any different now?
The Express are backing Sunak, they ran with "Rishi I'm a low tax Tory" front page 2 days ago.
Whoever it is, it looks like the knives are most definitely out for Boris. No doubt he’ll be despatched with the customary ruthlessness when the time is right
I’m sure they’re just waiting for him to be forced into ‘cancelling Christmas’ and other inevitable stuff that will have the Desmond Swaynes foaming at the mouth,
before moving against him some time in the new year
Re the Jess Phillips interview above.
I have an acquaintance that works for Arco in a reasonably senior sales role. He unequivocally told me that Arco (as an established provider of PPE) called the 'number' for the government, but found themselves being messed about and ultimately frozen out of discussions. He also told me that (I don't know how they found out) a mysterious new supplier that no one at Arco had ever heard of was in pole position to get the contract for that PPE and that they had insisted on exclusivity as a prerequisite.
Now I understand that normal procurement rules probably had to be suspended in the rush, but that kind of rigging and influence smacks of corruption, plain and simple. My acquaintance hinted that the mysterious new startup with the plum contract was someone with connections to ministers.
They weren’t even jumping in on a free for all - they were actively trying to rig the market to compete against pukka suppliers of PPE.
It stinks to high heaven, but the voters the New Tories appeal to won't care.
Private Eye has an article about this in the "Profits of Doom" article I am reading at the moment.
I've said this before, but the thing about the PPE scandal isn't even the money. I mean, the money's a massive deal and should be enough to bring down governments. But even that is pretty trivial because while they were stealing money from everyone in the country they were also failing to provide PPE to people who needed it.
I wonder what the total death toll is. From the opportunity costs of not having that money to spend on services etc, and from the direct effect of people in frontline roles not having the PPE they needed.
Absolutely. And from the reaction of Matt Hancock on Peston last night - and I’d say his attitude is no different to the rest of them - he genuinely couldn’t give a flying ****!
When that point was put to him, he may as well have shrugged and said ‘meh’.
The collective mindset of this lot is sociopathic, bordering on psychopathic.
There was an interview of a woman in the Old Bexley & Sidcup by-election who yesterday said that despite knowing that Johnson is a clown she's still going to vote Tory because "Better the devil you know"
I somehow doubt that even given the contract rigging that clearly Matt and his mate from the pub very obviously did to hide from scrutiny, folks just really don't care enough about it to change their vote
It stinks to high heaven, but the voters the New Tories appeal to won’t care.
That's because they'd act the same way if they were in a position of power/influence.
That’s because they’d act the same way if they were in a position of power/influence.
So much this.
"Cash in hand here, cut corners there, bish bash bosh, look at all that dosh."
Apparently its to ‘send a message’ to Putin.
It does. It says "we so want to be like you, but we're even shit at trying to imitate a tinpot dictator".
He will barely bother to laugh, he's won. He won on June 23rd 2016.
Sunaktion man
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1466745796699860992?t=5ZyJLMiTg2xa4BiZvQbBSA&s=19
Why was the Chancellor visiting Catterick in the first place? No issue with it, just wondering.
Because leadership rival Liz had her photo taken in a tank.
So he needs to show he’s all rufty tufty too and that he’ll buy lots of the shooty, bangy things with Union jacks on them, that Tory voters all love
I think Liz Truss would make a good primary school teacher. She looks quite nice. I'd be happy for her to show my kids how to make circles and squares out of playdoh
WAIT A MINUTE, SHE'S THE FOREIGN SECRETARY!!!
SHITTING HELL!!!!
Why was the Chancellor visiting Catterick in the first place? No issue with it, just wondering.
Because he is a local MP who has a long association with the Gurkhas at Catterick which predate him becoming Chancellor.
As a Hindu Sunka has worshipped at the Gurkha temple there :
Upvote for Doris5000
Just wait 'till Truss is Prime Minister. That'll be even more of a "is the universe just shitting with us now" moment.
Look, I had a conversation with my missus in about 2015 about the possible cosmic joke of having Trump and Boris running things at the same time. If we get a Truss/Trump combo in 2024, that has to be definitive proof of a higher being with a creative sense of humour.
intheborders
Free MemberThat’s because they’d act the same way if they were in a position of power/influence.
Yeah, thing is, I'm not sure how I'd act if I was in a position of power- I like to think I'm a pretty moral, fairminded person but then I've never been in a position to steal billions of pounds with no consequences and give it to my mates.
This is just one of the reasons I'm definitely not a good choice for bloody Prime Minister. I don't want someone who's probably just like me, I want someone that's better than me, same as when I get a decorator in, I want them to be better at painting than I am. It just seems like the only bloody thing that makes any sense.
I assumed Sunak just wanted a photo op with the shortest regiment possible

I assumed Sunak just wanted a photo op with the shortest regiment possible
Why, is Sunak known to have issues about his height? He seems reasonably tall to me for someone with South Asian heritage.
Are we taking bets on tomorrow’s photo op being Boris in a fighter jet then? Priti Patel with a rocket launcher? The Saj in a helicopter gunship?
I'm no fan of Sunak and detest the tories but have to back Ernie up with this one, Catterick is in his constituency so it's no great surprise that he rocks up there for passing our parades etc.
Are we taking bets on tomorrow’s photo op being Boris in a fighter jet then? Priti Patel with a rocket launcher? The Saj in a helicopter gunship?
Yeah Tory voters love all that, although Sunak got a head start a few years ago.
Why, is Sunak known to have issues about his height? He seems reasonably tall to me for someone with South Asian heritage.
Didn't he hire a photographer to make him look taller?
Didn’t he hire a photographer to make him look taller?
I don't know. I can't say I have ever heard any talk about his height.
Edit : Your photo does indeed emphasis how short South Asian people can be when compared to white British, so perhaps he is self-conscious about his height as you suggest.
Are we taking bets on tomorrow’s photo op being Boris in a fighter jet then?
Cant see fatboy fitting into a fighter cockpit
No I can't either but more importantly I can't see a leadership challenge at the present time, especially after a rather satisfactory result in the by-election yesterday and the latest two opinion polls giving the Tories a lead.
So I suspect that posing on military hardware will have to be deferred to another day.
Are we taking bets on tomorrow’s photo op being Boris in a fighter jet then? Priti Patel with a rocket launcher? The Saj in a helicopter gunship?
Are we totally sure Boris wasn't trying out an F35 recently for a photo op?
He has history with fly by wire systems after all.
