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Haven’t you just contradicted yourself?
Not really I have worked in hierarchical companies where the top people really do deserve to be there and take responsibility for systematic failures. The ones I’m arguing against are the ones which are lead by BS merchants who wouldn’t know what responsibility was if it punched them in the face (I bit like the current cabinet).
I don't know who should be most offended by this:
https://twitter.com/NickSquires1/status/1308034955126222848
What's the Tory party rules on getting to choose the new leader? If I sign up now do I get to pick if Boris quits in the new year?
What’s the Tory party rules on getting to choose the new leader? If I sign up now do I get to pick if Boris quits in the new year?
Don't you have to prove pure Aryan blood back three generations, or is that just if you want to marry a party member?
Ygh
The maps make a shortlist and then the members vote
Looks like you need to be a member for 3 months before contest.
Membership is a short form and a donation of your choosing via PayPal.
Have signed up so I can choose our next PM when BoJo quits - assuming he makes it til January
https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/22/boris-johnson-westminster-thames
Another excellent article from Marina Hyde.
Johnson is a clown beyond compare
But it's not funny anymore
https://twitter.com/alexisconran/status/1308471249417494535?s=19
https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/22/starmer-labour-leader-brexit-johnson
Not sure if this should be in the Keir Starmer thread or this but it follows on well from the tweet linked above.
kimbers' video, Jesus Christ. He's going full Trump but he's not even as convincing. Urgh.
Johnson is the school bully. With his gang behind him he uses his cruel ‘humorous’ cleverly-worded barbs to humiliate people.
Like all bullies, deprived of his gang, he shrinks like the coward he is. Stripped of his cover, all that’s left is his nastiness
Seeing that clip makes me very angry. He really doesn't give a toss does he?
Caring it the 'NHS test and trace' because no one wants to criticise the NHS is a particularly scummy tactic. It's Serco with NHS branding isn't it?
That's just embarrassing. He's floundering around now like a beached manatee. Fat knacker
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Jeremy Hunt has just done the most passive aggressive analysis of Boris on Newsnight
He clearly doesn’t expect him to be there for much longer and is lining himself up for the inevitable leadership election coming soon.
The world's gone mad.
Just watched Newsnight and up pops Jeremy Hunt speaking like a sensible adult. Again. He's starting to make a habit of this.
EDIT:
Beat me to it Binners.
Yup Hunt all over the place at the moment he knows the Tories will defenestrate Johnson soon
Jeremy Hunt - took the rhyming slang mantle from James Blunt
Maybe it was Cummings plan all along, Hunt just said he wouldn't have got an 80 seat majority cos Farage wouldn't have pulled out his minions . So they needed fat boy populist clown to appeal to everyone and knock some polystyrene blocks down with a JCB
But really Hunt, who everyone thought was a stone cold psychopath when he was Health sec, is least likely guy in the frame to be pulled into Cummingses black hole / theatre of cruelty / atrocity exhibition / vortex of hate
At least James Blunt can be very funny at times
I like james blunt, his Twitter work is inspired.
Hunt is a godsend for the Disaster Capitalists.
They still get their insider trade and the gradual repairing of the damage is portrayed as a remainer conspiracy in cahoots with the evil EU.
What he really meant to say was, 'the British working class had to fight for freedom of expression (unstamped press etc), the right to vote (Peterloo, Chartism) and were met with violent suppression by my political predecessors. That's why I bought the water cannons and rubber bullets, much better than the sword and cudgel.'
Just watched Kimbers link - jesus, that's embarrassing. And as BillMC points out, a proper distortion of history.
Much as I despise him, even Hunt is looking like a least worse option, along with a couple of others who have tactically kept their heads down to avoid being tarnished with being part of the current shitshow. I'm sure that's just a very weird optical illusion, and his strings will be being pulled by a different set of self interested puppet masters.
When the answer to the question "Who can save us from this mess" is Jeremy Hunt you know that we are all ****ed
From Kimber's link...There's a point ( at about 50secs in) when Boris is spouting on about advancements "Democracy, free speech.." where he's just about to say "rule of law" and at the last minute manages to check himself...
What a pillock
Just been watching some PMQs stuff and I think Boris is an absolute idiot - I mean that in sense he lacks any sort of logical thinking and common sense. Hes moaning labour are "attacking" track and trace and not getting behind it same thing he always says really. Its like hes forgot what the opposition is for they aint there to pat him on the back and tell him hes doing an amazing job. Every day some how he manages to surprise me.
. Its like hes forgot what the opposition is for they aint there to pat him on the back and tell him hes doing an amazing job. Every day some how he manages to surprise me.
He hasn't, but he is trying to make them look to be the villians to the less critically thinking parts of the electorate. Emotions trump (heh) facts.
From the Marina Hyde piece linked above
By the time of The Merry Wives of Windsor, Falstaff – though still so short of money that he has only two servants, neither of which is a nanny – is performing work he is far more suited to. Namely, trying to shag two married women with as little effort as possible, being hidden in smelly laundry baskets, getting his arse justifiably handed to him in public, and ending up having a laugh about it all. This is a much better biographical arc than the one we’re stuck with: when this character type has to boss Agincourt/a deadly pandemic and its hideous economic fallout.
As for whether Johnson himself will be able to move from history back to comedy, that in itself increasingly feels like something that only happens in fiction. He won’t be short of money, of course – no ex-prime minister is – but that has never really been the thing he seems to have thought would fill his inner void. Far from sealing that chasm, the job he always wanted seems only to be making it deeper – in fact, there is no longer a bottom to it.
And surely part of Johnson’s widely briefed gloom is the realisation that even his plan for a prime ministerial afterlife has developed fatal flaws. Pontificating on what he’d do if he were in charge – well, even Telegraph readers will have been more than sated by having to live through the period when he was.
Love the contradictions in kimbers video clip. We cannot tell the British public what to do, but they must do what we tell them!
He hasn’t, but he is trying to make them look to be the villians to the less critically thinking parts of the electorate. Emotions trump (heh) facts.
Exactly, just lie and half the electorate will believe it as they are unable to know otherwise. Only yesterday Johnson was stating that we had the best track and trace system in Europe. We know that is not true, he knows that is not true, but 50% of the electorate probably now think we have the best track and trace system in Europe.
Hes moaning labour are “attacking” track and trace and not getting behind it same thing he always says really. Its like hes forgot what the opposition is for they aint there to pat him on the back and tell him hes doing an amazing job.
Yes but that approach worked perfectly well for the last 4.5 years over Brexit where it's been a case of "we won, you lost, get over it" and the idea that if you just believe in it rather than trying to tear it apart, it'll all work fine.
Brexit isn't working not cos it's a complete disaster managed by a bunch of clueless morons but because the EU and Remoaner traitors aren't believing hard enough in Making Britain Great Again.
Same with T&T. That's not working but that's the fault of Labour for attacking it and the general public for (shock horror) wanting to use it. Not because it's been farmed out to a bunch on Tory mates with zero experience of public health systems!
It's standard Boris. Find an "enemy" and tear it apart to deflect from the multiple failings within the Tory party. Problem when the enemy is your own ineptitude that it's difficult to distract from that cos it's on show every time you don't answer a question...
I imagine the will be a fair few complaints about that, tbh. Partly from the Tory middle classes complaining that they watch bake off to get away from all that, mainly for poking fun at Boris, ‘he’s doing the best he can’ etc
I like the 'depending on how tall you are bit' !!
I love the 'if you have to bake in a tent, bake in a tent, but don't bake in a tent.' Saw it straight after the actual announcement. matt Lucas was more priministerial and made more sense.
Lol, at the bake off vid.😂
Very good.
He really doesn’t give a toss does he?
It's The Labrador Paradox, Boris has just given up fighting with his inner Labrador. Just look at his face around food, you can almost see the drooling or how he skulks about when getting told off.
I imagine the will be a fair few complaints about that, tbh.
I really hope so. After all the morons claimed they didn't want politics on tv they better. But we all know why they wont complain
Yesterdays news that somehow passed me by - probably because it is the mail
“EXCLUSIVE: In the week Boris told a battered Britain it was in for another six months of Covid winter misery, his partner Carrie Symonds enjoys five-star Italian holiday at £600-a-night Lake Como hotel with son Wilfred and three friends”. Shades of “crisis what crisis?” there and the coming winter of discontent for the premier as a no-deal Brexit and Covid adds to the general sense of a complacent government – prime minister especially – that has lost control of events.
Could this be a 'let them eat cake moment'?
I hope so. I like cake.
So far Marina Hyde has come up with the best description of Boris Johnson as “a fly-tipped sofa’ but I think Frankie Boyle May have matched her with describing him ‘looking like baffled loft insulation’ 😂
But [b]what the **** can we do about it[/b]? Precisely **** all.
binners
Full MemberSo far Marina Hyde has come up with the best description of Boris Johnson as “a fly-tipped sofa’ but I think Frankie Boyle May have matched her with describing him ‘looking like baffled loft insulation’ 😂
Or a lost bale of hay
But what the * can we do about it? Precisely * all.
Write to your MP . Enough people moan he might start siding with someone who is not in dummings pocket.
Every day some how he manages to surprise me.
Really? He was always clearly a deeply unpleasant, sociopathic narcissist - even the Tory MPs who backed him knew it and know it - and he's been completely true to that. Remember people who thought that his covid-19 close shave might 'change him', presumably into an actual human being with empathy and stuff? Not a chance. There never was.
The only thing that surprises me is that he hasn't tried to lever that experience for political capital along the line of 'I beat covid, now it's your turn'. Probably because he's almost certainly still suffering the aftermath. But really, there's nothing complicated or surprising about him, he simply is exactly what he appears to be once you realise the bumbling thing is all an carefully constructed persona he hides behind.
But really, there’s nothing complicated or surprising about him, he simply is exactly what he appears to be once you realise the bumbling thing is all an carefully constructed persona he hides behind.
Yep. A lazy, narcissistic, arsehole who is utterly contemptuous of 'little people' and is only motivated by his perception of himself and feathering his own nest along the way. He has never done a decent day's work in his life and has never suffered any consequences of his reckless lifestyle.
But what the * can we do about it? Precisely * all.
Write to your MP . Enough people moan he might start siding with someone who is not in dummings pocket.
Interestingly, the Tory poodle who got voted in to our occasionally Labour voting constituency does seem to respond to our concerns. Yes, she was pro-Brexit, but she spoke out on the Cummings affair, went against the whip on that Agriculture bill, has spoken against the changes to the Withdrawal Agreement.
Did I really just hear the PM say…
“the truth can set you free”?!?
I also like the way he thinks we should stop comparing death rates... I wonder why?
I bet the rest of the world listened to his speech and thought 'there is a Statesman with lots of credibility'... Tosser.
@MoreCashThanDash All right for some! Our red wall Tory is an utter plank, who by all accounts was an utter plank when he was a councillor. But seeing as I live in Brexit Central which came very close to having a Kipper MP…
"We" voted the in first UKIP MEP back in the day, used to feature on BNP documentaries and their annual festival was just up the road. Pleased to say that it's not quite that bad now, 20 years later.
Until fairly recently the National Front used to put up candidates in the local elections.
This, in metropolitan Greater Manchester…
I gained an ex-UKIPer as an MP (Workington) so you can just imagine what a great job he does retweeting the current tory/UKIP party line and basically anything about how great Brexit is.
****er loves Cummings too.
Looks like he Cumstain intends to demolish the BBC from the inside. I don’t doubt similar appointments have been made by predecessors but this is oh so Trump with less blondes (other than the ****ing tosser in #10)
The anti BBC appointments seem shortsighted, even for Cummings
Climate sceptic & all round idiot Moore will screw up
As much as anything it's just signalling to his base
A reaction to the polls & Starmer, so they stoke culture war issues
The Paul Dacre/Charles Moore story is nothing more than a dead cat thrown on the table as a distraction from covid related issues (set up by dick dastardly/**** stain cummings & co), they'd never get passed the selection process.
It looks like the marriage of convenience of the Tory old guard and Boris/Cummings is coming to an end.
Brexiteer ERG numbskull Peter Bone has been on the radio denouncing. Even they seem to have had quite enough of government by dictat from number 10. Boris wanted an extension on his emergency Covid rules for another 6 months to be rubber stamped by parliament, but apparently there are now enough Tory rebels to overturn his majority.
I know they're only doing it because they're all mental free-market libertarians who are demanding their god-given right to not wear face masks and invite all their friends round for large dinner parties, but it might be possible they could end up doing the right thing for all the wrong reasons.
Given what they've been up to with the lack of oversight - handing out billions of pounds of contracts to Cummings mates, Boris does indeed need reigning in.
Double post
I know they’re only doing it because they’re all mental free-market libertarians who are demanding their god-given right to not wear face masks and invite all their friends round for large dinner parties, but it might be possible they could end up doing the right thing for all the wrong reasons.
I think that's our best case scenario.
My worry is that they force Boris out without also removing Cummings. A Gove/Cummings axis could be an even more unpleasant situation to end up in.
...like removing a tick too quickly and leaving the head embedded. Johnson as a bloated parasite works for me anyway
Cummings would love Gove in the top job, if it wasn't for those crappy little voters and their antipathy for possibly the most unctous, charmless, pitiful chinless wonder the world has ever seen. I might go off and watch is it 'a feast at midnight' where Gove had a bit part. Some proper hate watching right there
Especially with Gove being sent off to the EU to move along the negotiations. As a secret weapon to drive things along, that seems quite counterproductive.
Stephen Collins drew a cartoon years ago, in the old pre-Brxit world, highlighting the yawning chasm between Goves opinion of his own abilities and his actual abilities
Double post
Russian troll-bot is self aware 😉
the daily fail are running with blowjo next to matt lucas with the byline
"Spot the Comedian"
Lack of testing is due to foreigners he says!
https://twitter.com/mgacramer/status/1310904569854128135?s=20
MoreCashThanDash
Full MemberMy worry is that they force Boris out without also removing Cummings. A Gove/Cummings axis could be an even more unpleasant situation to end up in.
Part of the evil genius of modern politics isn't it? Just make sure the second in command is an even bigger **** than you. "We can't impeach Trump, because then Pence will take over"
Lack of testing is due to foreigners he says!
It's worse than that... he was also surprised at the lack of workers for care homes and construction for the same reason. Project Fear.
Anyone link me to an article on this masterpiece of Boris Bellendery, or is buried in a BBC article on something else?
I heard it on the radio.
I also saw on twitter that the 'Build back better' name for covid recovery is directly pinched from Joe Biden's campaign that was lauched a couple of months ago!
Even by his own ridiculously high standards, that's impressive 🤦♂️
Klunk
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the daily fail are running with blowjo next to matt lucas with the byline
“Spot the Comedian”
Interestingly the Mail are pretty critical of the gov at the moment.... Whilst it suites them anyway. Whilst the Express are still full on Battle of Britain/blitz spirit....like they are trying to out DM the DM.... which I suppose they are trying to do.
I also saw on twitter that the ‘Build back better’ name for covid recovery is directly pinched from Joe Biden’s campaign that was lauched a couple of months ago!
Cheers for the heads up. It means I can seal all my windows this evening cos as soon as I see and hear that fat buffoon utter that phrase the TV is getting launched out the window. I wonder if him and the rest of the cabinet will hammer it for months with smirking faces just like 'GBD'?
I prefer the good ol' days and snappy convention slogans made out of good quality seventies Fawlty towers/watery fowls sign
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Blojo gave a speech earlier transcribed here
https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/pms-skills-speech-29-september-2020
Probably not quite the click bait that you might have expected from up there but still an admission of the lack of people to fill 'crucial roles' commonly occupied by people from overseas.
"In the last few months I have been touring labs where people, many of them young, are working flat out on testing samples – testing for the disease, testing for the efficacy of potential vaccines, testing the tests. And it is hard work. It requires endless patience, and good hand-eye coordination. It also requires an excellent grounding in lab techniques and in the science – and every time I have been fascinated to find that a sizeable proportion of the technicians are from overseas. And though I welcome that, because it is one of the glories of our education system that it attracts so many people from around the world, we have to face the fact – that at this moment when we need them so much, there is a shortage of UK-trained lab technicians, just as there is a shortage of so many crucial skills."
And he references the findings of this latest piece of government produced remain propaganda…
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/review-of-the-shortage-occupation-list-2020
He said…
We are short of skilled construction workers, and skilled mechanics, and skilled engineers, and we are short of hundreds of thousands of IT experts.
And it is not as though the market does not require these skills. The market will pay richly.
The problem is one of supply…
No shit Sherlock.
Totally divorced from the consequences of their own actions 🤬
I love references to "the market". Whilst some companies are willing to pay for IT specialists many want highly skilled and experienced people to work for peanuts.
Hence why many got made redundant when the jobs got moved offshore for someone to do cheaper.