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I don’t think that poster was a genuine Conservative Party poster, the spelling mistake is a clue. Yes Conservative Party election agents do tend to be well educated.
Literally seconds of googling:
The mini-investigation is an interesting read though.
I obviously lack your googling skills cougar, had I not a direct link to your article would have saved me a lot of time.
Windrush scandal caused by 30 years of racist immigration laws
Yeah but woke but yeah but............
The mini-investigation is an interesting read though.
It is a fascinating article - what tyres for race-baiting?
Windrush scandal caused by ‘30 years of racist immigration laws’ – report
That article seems to suggest that "racist immigration laws" ended in 1981. I didn't read beyond that so I don't know what Margret Thatcher did to end racist immigration laws.
IMO the most enduring racism in the UK is in the UK's immigration and nationality laws. You only need to see how differently refugees from Ukraine are currently being treated in comparison to non-europeans refugees to be reminded of that.
So, ministers trotting out the line that Carries party doesn’t “need” investigation. In my mind, there’s no smoke without fire and this tells me that it definitely should be investigated.
Which one of her parties? The one that Sue Gray started looking into, then decided not to? Or the one that has never been looked into at all? Neither were looked into by the Met, as far as we know.
They'd have to admit she had a party in the first place, right? Have they done that yet?
Note that a pint may be bigger that you realise, assuming that we’re going with a standard with a bit of heritage, and not some jonny-come-lately pint that until recently only applied in certain parts of the UK (or smaller if we want to appease the US types what we want a trade deal with)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joug
Here’s ten different sizes of “pint” from 250ml to 1696ml - all handily defined in millilitres, which usefully are pretty standard. (Well reasonably - it was apparently out by a factor of 1.000028 at one point)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pint
I obviously lack your googling skills cougar, had I not a direct link to your article would have saved me a lot of time.
For the avoidance of doubt, that wasn't meant as a dig. Rather, I just thought it was interesting. I've seen that poster several times in the past and never really knew the backstory.
No I didn't see it as a dig! I'm glad you found an article that makes some of the points I was trying to make.
There’s probably a reason Starmer isn’t trying to finish him off.
I recall Cameron being keen on the Hogshead.
Congratulations.Undervalued comment of the thread award.
https://www.jeremywright.org.uk/news/prime-minister-may-2022-0
I have therefore, with regret, concluded that, for the good of this and future Governments, the Prime Minister should resign.
We have the privileges committee to report in the autumn - right around the time of conference
We still have the london assembly investigation into the Acuri corruption to report
We have various court cases being assembled by the good law project
WE still have Tory Mps dithering and the daily drip drip of resignations / letters of no confidence
All this establishes and reinforces the public mood that Johnson is a corrupt liar. Its not going to go away before the election. Johnson being the man of no principles will not resign so he will continue to inflict damage on the public view of the tories.
He has not slimed his way out of this by any means and the worst is yet to come
Back to the old imperial measurements for a moment...
https://twitter.com/davipart64/status/1531239951551045635?t=GcyFwjVFUWqba2apU8UAnQ&s=19
What it means is when you go shopping what was a kg is now a lb.
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Excuse my rudery
He has not slimed his way out of this by any means and the worst is yet to come
I think this is one thing that is an absolute given. The way his mind works, he's 'got away with it'. Again. And as we know, the more he 'gets away with' in his own mind, the more arrogant and reckless he becomes.
I get the distinct feeling that we still don't know the half of it, and theres plenty more of his misdemeanours to come to light yet. And until they do, he'll just carry on behaving like the self-absorbed, entitled **** that he is
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Here’s ten different sizes of “pint” from 250ml to 1696ml – all handily defined in millilitres, which usefully are pretty standard. (Well reasonably – it was apparently out by a factor of 1.000028 at one point)
While I have long known that Imperial and US pints are different sizes, I only discovered that Imperial and US fluid ounces are different sizes too. While I think there are arguments that can be made about how some Imperial measurements can be more "useful" sizes than their metric equivalents, the morass of incompatibilities and lack of consistency between different non-metric measures is a significant mark against them.
Don't believe rumors
https://twitter.com/CatNeilan/status/1531266594470604805?t=pI8juBhAivdPHq2NDnTNEw&s=19
Let's assume Johnson does face a vonc
I'd guess that he's much more likely to lose it if they missed the by-elections in 3 weeks
If he does gett booted what next, can you imagine how bitter he would be on the backbenches, especially as some of the ERG have turned on him, what allies would he have?
If he does get booted what next, can you imagine how bitter he would be on the backbenches, especially as some of the ERG have turned on him, what allies would he have?
Theres absolutely no way on earth that Johnson will ever utter a peep from the backbenches, because he won't ever be on the backbenches. With an ego the size of a continental shelf, the second he's out of number ten he'll immediately resign as an MP. He'll be off to continue where he left off. Writing racist columns for the Torygraph and crap books about historical figures he likes to compare himself too.
He’ll be off to continue where he left off. Writing racist columns for the Torygraph and crap books about historical figures he likes to compare himself too.
Nah he will happily stay as an MP & do a farage, ie claim max expenses but never bother to turn up, for as long as he can grift it
do wonder what his MPs will be thinking right now
https://twitter.com/JAHeale/status/1531189521978728448
I wouldn't expect him to be anymore bitter than he was after Gove stabbed him in the back when he previously made a bid for the party leadership.
Although Blair is fairly unique in his ego not allowing him to sit on the backbenches after a period of party leader there is no reason why Johnson couldn't resign from his parliamentary seat as the same time.
I don't think there is much evidence that Johnson relies on politics to provide him with a living.
"do wonder what his MPs will be thinking right now"
Ultimately it isn'teven down to the MP's, it's down to conservative party membership who get to make the choice for them.
Whatever they decide to do, they face the double jeopardy of getting rid of the Benny Hill impersonator whilst not being able to control the outcome themselves.
Even if the rump of the tory MP's wanted to put a grown up in charge, it's not as simple as that, they can provide the membership with a menu of options but can't control which one they choose. The party, and the future of the country are in the hands of a few thousand unelected party members who get to exerscise their 'VIP' vote.
We could end up with Ben Wallace but we could also end up with Suella Braverman. We have to remember that their are even worse options than Johnson.
The parliamentary party can control the leadership election. the rules are daft in that the parliamentary party whittle down the candidates to a choice of two then put that choice to the membership - or they can do a coronation and only have one candidate - a stitch up in back rooms so the parliamentary party get their choice
"or they can do a coronation and only have one candidate – a stitch up in back rooms so the parliamentary party get their choice"
Better that way than the current 'method'. At least those making the decision would have been democratically elected.
Though like you tj, I'm happy for him to stay around for a while, I want to see all the mud thrown at him spread into all the nooks and crannies of the tory party, rather than giving the Tories a chance to re-boot with a clean slate.
The latest opinion poll gives Labour a 3% lead over the Tories, which doesn't exactly represent an insurmountable obstacle for the Tories to overcome between now and the next general election in two year's time.
https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voting-intention-29-may-2022/
If they do struggle in wiping out Labour's single digit lead the obvious strategy would be for the Tories to change leaders just prior to the general election and let the honeymoon poll bump carry them over the line.
The only thing which would pose a serious threat to the Tories would be if Labour were to change tactics and up the ante by providing a credible and radical alternative, rather than more of the same but with supposably greater integrity.
If that were the case the Tories would be on much dodgier ground and much more limited in their possible response. What would be the point of changing leader if the entire Tory economic and social strategy has been discredited in the eyes of the electorate?
Obviously if you believe that the Tories's economic and social policies aren't fundamentally wrong then that isn't an option.
Edit: Sorry the Opinium poll giving Labour a 3% lead has just been superceded by one giving Labour a 7% lead
https://mobile.twitter.com/OpiniumResearch
The only thing which would pose a serious threat to the Tories would be if Labour were to change tactics and up the ante by providing a credible and radical alternative, rather than more of the same but with supposably greater integrity.
An electoral pact between Labour and the LibDems is what the Tories fear the most. Labour have had a stab with the 'credible and radical', and come close, then were beaten soundly.
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/blogs/ec_constsoc_20220523.html
That's quite an eye opener Martin. The Green Party already made way for the Labour candidate in this seat at the last election. Something more formal nationally (especially one that led to more actual Green MPs as a result as well as the Conservatives being out of government) would be very welcome around here, I feel.
Oh, none of the opposition parties are just offering the same as the Conservatives. Enough of this "they're all the same", "there is no alternative" narrative... it really is not true. It's what this government and friendly elements of the press are pushing hard... people now accept that Johnson is who is, and offers what little he offers... the whole plan is to get voters to feel that everyone else is the same, that things can't be better, that we can't have better, and to stay at home if they can't bring themselves to vote Conservative. Don't go along with it. Don't help them out of this hole.
An anti tory pact on a platform of proper constitutional reform and closer links to the EU would be a massive vote winner and would put the tories out of power for good. Its intensely frustrating to me they will not do this. Its been obvious for decades this is what the UK needs. ( or for the limp dems to just eff off and disappear and stop splitting the anti tory vote. they have acheived nothing ever bar keeping tories in power)
Ernie - why do yo always quote the gloomiest polls? Most polls show around a 10 pt lead for labour and have done consitently for many months. current polling shows tories losing 90 seats
After all is said and done, Labour currently have a 3% lead? What on earth do they have to do to get fired?
Yeah, I liked the '17 Green MPs' aspect of it. A new voice in Parliament that is long overdue. We currently have a Conservative Party that is shifting noticeably to the right, and Labour and the other parties need to realise that the only way to get them out and keep them out is to join forces and then deliver electoral reform. Will mean permanent coalition government in all likelihood, but, in my lifetime, FPTP has reliably delivered tory governments as a default.
Proportional representation would force the Conservatives to skim the scum off the top of the party as it stands, so it can compete for something a bit closer to the centre, so even it might start to sound a little less unhinged.
That poll is an outlier. Most polls have a 9% lead and have done for months. Ernie likes to pick the worst polling for labour.
An anti tory pact on a platform of proper constitutional reform and closer links to the EU would be a massive vote winner
Whilst I'd like to believe this is plausible I fear the second part of the statement might not be the "massive vote winner" you & I hope it might be.....
Even if the rump of the tory MP’s wanted to put a grown up in charge
Having a grown up in charge and pursuing the current form of Brexit are mutually incompatible.
We're not getting closer links to the EU until our political augean stables have been thoroughly cleansed. Why would they bother with us, the idea that they need us more than we need them has already been proven false. Unfortunately, all UK citizens will have to pay for some time for the gullibility of one minority, and the apathy of another.
"Having a grown up in charge and pursuing the current form of Brexit are mutually incompatible."
Wouldn't disagree with you. Neither would the few grown up Tories that are left. Were the new leader to be a grown up they would by definition have to acknowledge that the current path of Brexit wasn't working.
The clean slate argument would be along the lines of "let's get the bits of Brexit that Johnson couldn't be arsed to get done, done."
Why would they bother with us, the idea that they need us more than we need them has already been proven false.
Ireland.
But even without that central and unavoidable reason to sort things out... The EU are ready to work with the UK to reduce trade barriers... in the same way as they do for all other non-EU European countries. We just have to accept that we are a non-EU European country first, and start acting as if that reality can be ignored. Where we are, who we are near, who we border with... these things need to be reflected in our national policy agenda.
Tory staffers have come under pressure not to sign a letter calling for more stringent checks on those wishing to become an MP in light of the ongoing "pestminster" scandal, Sky News can reveal.
The letter, organised by Angus McVean and Henry Dixon-Clegg, is addressed to Prime Minister Boris Johnson, Conservative Party chairman Oliver Dowden and Speaker of the House of Commons Sir Lindsay Hoyle and calls for changes to the ways in which parliamentary candidates are selected.
Sky News has seen exclusive evidence of staffers being pressured by CCHQ (Conservative Campaign Headquarters) not to sign the letter as it would put a "black mark" against their name.