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Cummings has now gone full Trump.
I would say it was possible for Bozo to go full Trump. Not sure about Eye Test Cummings though.
Is there a comparable puppeteer within Trumps inner orbit?
Govt: it will be law for people to wear masks in all shops from the 24th
People: why not before then?
Govt: people will use common sense before then.
*Michael Gove spotted in pret, without a mask, before 24th*
Govt: it will be law for people to wear masks in all shops, except takeaway food shops, from the 24th.
It now being trailed that Boris is going to make a big speech tomorrow to tell everyone to get back to the office.
Apparently, it's our duty to get back to paying car parking charges, train fares, and buying petrol and butties from Pret.
Get back to business as usual, peasants!
**** off Boris!
Getting ahead of the game/Russia report release
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1283733966709821442?s=19
Yet they didn't see fit to mention that before today?
Russia Report die to be released next week, according to the BBC.
So Brexit is gonna happen. All those Brexiteer Tory MPs in that big majority got it done, so to speak.
But if they are now looking around and seeing just how badly their government is doing at everything else, how unlikely it is that they will be re-elected in 4 years time, how badly the party handles things like Lewis, I wonder just how secure that majority might be when push comes to shove?
Yet they didn’t see fit to mention that before today?
Carole Cadwalladr, of the Guardian, has been saying this since at least the referendum on leaving the EU, and the only response from the current, diabolical establishment - especially the loathsome Arron Banks - has been to call her the 'crazy cat lady' and to say that she could never prove her case.
We need to support her, and brave people like her so that all this shit is revealed with or without government mention.
Thats what I'm saying Saxonrider
Up until now the government line has on all this has been 'move along now. Nothing to see here'
Now, all of a sudden, now they know that they can no longer prevent the publication of the Russia Report, they're suddenly keen to talk about Russian interference in the election, no doubt trying to deflect attention onto other people
They're just trying to throw dead cats around again, aren't they?
Classic Dom
I wouldn't be remotely surprised if they try to remove Julian Lewis as head of the The Intelligence & security committee before the report is published. Apparently it is still technically possible for them to do that. It would go against all parliamentary convention, but we know that they couldn't give a flying **** about that
those cunning russians
they influenced the election!
except they leaked it before the election was even announced
it sat on reddit pretty much unnoticed until November!
They can't keep shrinking the inner circle indefinitely. Tories by their nature do not like being told what to do. Not even ardent Brexit supporters are going to keep backing Boris when one of their own loses the whip like this. I bet the 1922 committee is slowly gearing up. The back ground power brokers will not be happy to stand by and let Boris steam roll everything. If he's still in post after Brexit I'd be very surprised.
I predict a lot of I got Brexit done and now is the time to step aside after we leave when things get really bad and the rest of the party have decided he can go and be rightly blamed for the mess.
I predict a lot of I got Brexit done and now is the time to step aside after we leave when things get really bad and the rest of the party have decided he can go and be rightly blamed for the mess.I predict a lot of I got Brexit done and now is the time to step aside after we leave when things get really bad and the rest of the party have decided he can go and be rightly blamed for the mess.
agreed
But who is in charge?
They can’t keep shrinking the inner circle indefinitely. Tories by their nature do not like being told what to do. Not even ardent Brexit supporters are going to keep backing Boris when one of their own loses the whip like this. I bet the 1922 committee is slowly gearing up. The back ground power brokers will not be happy to stand by and let Boris steam roll everything. If he’s still in post after Brexit I’d be very surprised.
Except remember who gets to vote for Tory header. The blue rinse final salary pension brigade.
now is the time to step aside after we leave
Just wishful thinking, I fear.
Just wishful thinking, I fear.
Could go either way.
On the one hand, he obviously hates the job - becoming PM was only ever about winning the election, the actual "work" stuff within and around he's a) shit at and b) hates. So washing his hands of the whole thing, saying he delivered Brexit and wandering off might be just his thing.
On the other hand, leaving mid-way through won't give him the Churchillian legacy he seems to so desire (although the chances of him being remembered as anything other than a massive **** who completely ****ed the country seem to be pretty small).
How many ‘grandees’ with any sense are left? The Grieves and others who don’t subscribe to Cummins way of thinking. Most have been marginalised, maybe they are sitting this out and waiting for the big cull?
They can’t keep shrinking the inner circle indefinitely. Tories by their nature do not like being told what to do. Not even ardent Brexit supporters are going to keep backing Boris when one of their own loses the whip like this. I bet the 1922 committee is slowly gearing up.
Put so much better than I did.
There’s also a book by Like Harding, another Guardian journalist and a former Moscow correspondent. Shadow State covers Russian activities in the U.K. and US in the last decade or so. The quote of the Russian ambassador to Britain from 2011 to 2019 after he received a medal sums it up,
‘Yakovenko explained to his admiring colleagues that the state was rewarding him for smashing the Brits to the ground. “It will be a long time before they rise again.” ‘
It now being trailed that Boris is going to make a big speech tomorrow to tell everyone to get back to the office.
Apparently, it’s our duty to get back to paying car parking charges, train fares, and buying petrol and butties from Pret.
Get back to business as usual, peasants!
* off Boris!
And what, pray tell, am I going to do about looking after my kids? My wife is NHS patient-facing and both sets of grandparents are high risk in one way or another. So how the **** am I supposed to hop in the old jalopy and pop along to the office, Boris? You prat.
In their world I suppose it is the norm to have a nanny or some such and/or the wife does 'a spot of writing from time to time', so can spare an hour here and there to tell the nanny to play monopoly with Tarquin and Harriette (but you simply must let Harriette win or she'll scream until she jolly well shits herself, she is only eleven after all).
They really are a bunch of fing tossers.
I like binners new three word slogan very much.
**** off Boris.
Interesting to read Patrick Vallance's comments to the Science and Technology Select Committee today.
The stand-outs for me were...WFH remained a perfectly good option, was not detrimental and saw no reason to change it.
He's clearly not following the cummings/johnson script.
Absolute maniacs on R4 right now - they're talking to association tories (I'm assuming from the home counties).
Jesus wept!
"Boris was magnificent at the start of this"
"Well he got Brexit done"
"They did the right thing with Cummings, they held their ground"
"The economy's wrecked, Brexit is neither here nor there"
They’re like some weird other species, aren’t they? Their detachment from reality is now total
They inhabit an alternative universe
Just heard R4 news ‘covering’ the Russia stuff. Still in shock about how keenly they presented it as if scripted by Cummings. Very worried about where we are now.
In other news from yesterday, the treasury will not be doing any economic analysis of any EU deal Boris strikes or the impact of what is looking all the more inevitable no deal Brexit
I wonder why? Are they now shying away from showing us all the benefits of the sunlit uplands?
https://twitter.com/CommonsTreasury/status/1283409413689225216?s=20
Absolute maniacs on R4 right now – they’re talking to association tories (I’m assuming from the home counties).
A lovely line to describe them was in that magnificent comedy series (but now looks like a documentary) The New Stateman with Rik Mayall in the starring role. But I think it was Mrs B'stard that coined the phrase:
"Home Counties Himmlers".
Some things never change.
It's places like Bury that voted this lovely government in.
It’s places like Bury that voted this lovely government in. As well as the usual Home Counties Himmlers
This government's 'edge' with the likes of Bury is modern alt-right populism. Many of these people actually think they're going to get a whites-only society where anyone else is basically there to do the low skilled work. This present rabble won't do that, but what happens when they've taken their bungs and ****ed off leaving a smouldering shell of a country. Such conditions have produced some pretty nasty regimes in the past, many via 'democratic' processes - at least at the start. Danger.
The fact that the likes of Johnson and Farage are laughing their arses off at working/middle class northerners voting Tory is particularly galling. Mind you, they've always laughed at people who say 'grass' instead of 'grarse' so what's the difference?
Boris being loyal to his mates: https://news.sky.com/story/ex-cricketer-sir-ian-botham-to-be-made-a-lord-as-reward-for-brexit-loyalty-12031004
Do we get to take it back if Brexit isn't a success?
Didn't know ol' beefy was gammon all along
steaks are high
etc
Botham is as thick as pig shit and an utter moron.
It doesn't diminish his achievements as a cricketer, sporting prowess and intellect are unconnected.
Didn’t know ol’ beefy was gammon all along
He’s a millionaire tax-dodger who lives in Spain and is on the record saying ‘England is an island’, so he ticks all the Brexiteer boxes
It’s places like Bury that voted this lovely government in.
I live in Bury North. Its always been a marginal seat that regularly changes hands. We now have a Tory MP who sports the smallest majority in the country (105 votes after a recount), before that it was labour, the election before was Tory, then labour the one before that.
Bury South is a bit more of a strange one. It's always been labour so everyone was totally mystified that the constituency that hosts the largest Jewish population in the country failed to turn out and vote for the party led by Jeremy Corbyn.
A 2005 article by Boris has been unearthed and is doing the rounds on Twitter.
Id sign up to spend a day hunting boris, pin a furry tail to his arse and give me something that will merely maim him so he crawls off to die in a ditch.
Pack of rabid dogs would be good, Ramsey Bolton style, or maybe a pack of rabid pigs (gammons) would be more appropriate.
A 2005 article by Boris has been unearthed and is doing the rounds on Twitter.
Boris Johnson in 'he really is a ****' shocker?
It's worth pointing out after that singularly tawdry PMQs that part of the Russian plan is to sow seeds of division...So when Johnson accuses Kier Stamer of being a part of "Pressure from Islingtonian Remainers who have seized on this report to suggest Russia was responsible for Brexit"..Johnson is literally doing Putin's work for him..Relying on tribal division to avoid talking about the clear threat of Russia to national security.
Putin must be pissing himself
Really feel sick this morning reading of the increase attempts and vocabulary of Johnson and his crew to blame any Coronovirus related errors on the Scientists. Now, perhaps they weren’t infallible but dealing with an unknown new Virus as it’s path unfolded rapidly with huge pressure to act on the “right” thing cannot be easy, but we all know the balance of activity was science vs economy, and the final decision lays with the ministers.
Now we’ll have clever people in the spotlight under the stress of blame and media examination no doubt forced to resign at best or face legal inquiry’s at worst instead of working in the sphere they
know so well for our mutual health. A lot of them won’t want or won’t cope with this.
What a spineless, cowardly bunch of shits.
Agreed, no moral backbone whatsoever.
From the BBC interview story:
Again, he took a step towards acknowledging that there could have been mistakes, suggesting the lockdown timing was an "open question", and that while the government had stuck "like glue" to the advice given by its scientists, maybe that advice had been wrong.
He's 100% bending the narrative to deflect blame to the scientists.
The science suggested lockdown back at the beginning of March.
Other countries had followed that advice already.
Businesses were ahead of the government and sending staff home.
Parts of the UK population were already staying at home.
By the time they announced lockdown it had essentially already started.
They cocked up shutting the pubs.
You can look at almost every stage of their response to this and spot massive holes where they have gone against scientific advice. You just have to look at the farce that is the using of masks happening right now for an example. It's been posted on the main virus thread already but it says it so much better than I ever could so it's worth repeating here:
He’s 100% bending the narrative to deflect blame to the scientists.
The science suggested lockdown back at the beginning of March.
Other countries had followed that advice already.
Businesses were ahead of the government and sending staff home.
Parts of the UK population were already staying at home.
By the time they announced lockdown it had essentially already started.
They cocked up shutting the pubs.
Yes, it's entirely cynical. The 'we didn't understand asymptomatic transmission' bleating is utter bollocks. The evidence was out there from mid-January that it was likely.
He's a lying little toerag.
The scientists (SAGE) were telling Cummings and his puppet PM to lockdown at least a week before they chose to do so, Boris is talking testicles... Again!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52764645
etc.
Throughout around 50 years of voting I've had varying degrees of satisfaction with our Prime Ministers and their associated governments. Some have seemed OK, others not so good. I've mainly agreed with some and positively disagreed with others but......
I've never held them in the absolute hatred and contempt that I do for Johnson and his cronies. I thought May was a disaster but Johnson/Cummings and the rest of the band are just beyond belief. Anyone who voted for him should be hanging their head in shame, much the same way anyone who voted for Trump.
I’ve never held them in the absolute hatred and contempt that I do for Johnson and his cronies. I thought May was a disaster but Johnson/Cummings and the rest of the band are just beyond belief. Anyone who voted for him should be hanging their head in shame, much the same way anyone who voted for Trump.
Same here, I can usually find something to agree with for each PM. May had her obvious flaws but at least she stuck to her guns, mostly understood what was going on and had a good idea of what she wanted to acheive. Boris only had one goal: to be the PM that successfully delivered Brexit. Once he got there he realised that it wasn't a simple job, had much more responsibility to handle and that he'd massively underestimated the task. Ever since he's been in hiding and has looked to Cummings for advice and in doing so had made Cummings the defacto PM.
Boris is a complete **** and if it wasn't destroying the country at the very time we should be working together it would be comical. Normally we're the ones looking in at another country as it falls apart and does the complete opposite of what it should do. This time we're the one everyone else is laughing at. It is by pure luck that the US has looked at our efforts to self-destruct and yelled 'Hold my beer...' by voting in Trump!
It is by pure luck that the US has looked at our efforts to self-destruct and yelled ‘Hold my beer…’ by voting in Trump!
Is that the way it played? https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/new-evidence-emerges-of-steve-bannon-and-cambridge-analyticas-role-in-brexit
Conspiracy theory?
In the meantime, all the Honours are going to a majority conservative servitude. It’s so brash as to be in plain sight nowadays. Won’t be long until we have Lord Cummings ruling the upper house.
It’s so brash as to be in plain sight nowadays
By far and away the most egregious has to be Claire Fox. She has in her time, defended the rights of paedophiles to download photos of children, a supporter of the IRAs use of violence, and has consistently believed in the abolition of the Lords... Funny how that last one goes away as soon as you're elevated to sit there...
I think some of you are forgetting that Patrick Vallance is a qualified scientist, doctor and pharmacist and was part of the "natural herd immunity" scientists (I don't have to link the Youtube again do I ?) for far too long. The early "science" was split in the UK and Boris chose the science he liked best. It was only when other scientists put numbers on the expected death rate and numbers being hospitalised that measures to prevent spread were seriously considered.
Patrick Vallance, a scientist, was very much part of the problem and I blame him as much as Boris for the fatal (for many) hesitation.
'Measures to prevent a second nationwide lockdown, and any economic fallout, were discussed by Mr Johnson at what was described by sources as a "war game" session with Chancellor Rishi Sunak on Wednesday.' The kids must have got bored with the science games.
“war game” session
I bet Cummings faps himself raw whenever he gets to attend one.
The ****.
We shan't know whether the "herd immunity" approach was right or wrong until the whole thing is over. Those countries which locked down earliest and had few cases are now getting big flare-ups as people start going back to normal behaviour. The UK is seeing some increases but as many people seem to have antibodies we may find there is less of a queue for a ventilator.
We shan’t know whether the “herd immunity” approach was right or wrong until the whole thing is over. Those countries which locked down earliest and had few cases are now getting big flare-ups as people start going back to normal behaviour. The UK is seeing some increases but as many people seem to have antibodies we may find there is less of a queue for a ventilator.
we know what happens if you go back to "normal" with a prevalent virus, USA USA USA USA, none of the countries who locked down early are close to "Big Flare Ups" USA USA USA. How's herd immunity going there BTW 60k new case's yesterday that's quite the herd.?
quick count of the numbers in the just the month of july the US has over 1.8 million new cases.
Those countries which locked down earliest and had few cases are now getting big flare-ups as people start going back to normal behaviour.
For example? I can't think of a country with few cases that locked down early and has big flare ups now. A few manageable clusters maybe but big flare ups? Not many countries locked down early, New Zealand is one but you couldn't say they have had big flare ups later as a result. In fact I think the opposite of what you say is true. Early lockdowns allowed shorter lock downs and less cases ever since compared with countries that had late lockdowns (UK) or very late lockdowns (Brazil)
Locking down early gives you options, flexibility and enables you to keep a much better track of the progress of the virus.
Plus there's the fringe benefit that you kill less of your population.
Those countries which locked down earliest and had few cases are now getting big flare-ups as people start going back to normal behaviour.
Those 'flare-ups' only appear 'big' in relative terms because those countries sorted their shit out early and have far less cases in the background.
Rule 1 when dealing with percentages - check the size of the underlying numbers.
Anyway, please get back to us with an example of a country that locked down early and is now suffering a big flare-up in absolute as well as relative terms.
So Boris isnt going to suspend the alleged rapey MP.
So Boris isnt going to suspend the alleged rapey MP.
I suppose that would rather help identify the individual. Of course whether you view that as a good or bad thing isn't related to the actual decision.
"Alleged"
While there's still doubt people shouldn't be suspended. Short of being filmed raping somone on live TV the idea of innocent until proven guilty should apply.
Remember the BBC and Cliff Richard?
Pretty sure I'd be suspended from work if I was charged arrested for rape, rightly so.
You've just changed from "alleged" to "charged" and you're a teacher reponsible for minors not an MP responsible for being rowdy on a green bench.
Yeah you are right arrested not charged slip of the keypad, I misstyped 😏
Although being a MP is a position of some responsibility and power I reckon they should be suspended, its not saying he's guilty its just being able to do the right thing.
Remember Carl Sargeant?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Sargeant
or from another point of view:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Eleanor_de_Freitas
High profile sex crime cases cause unreasonable levels of stress to accuser and accused. A teacher at Madame's school was accused. Fortunately for the teacher there were other children who witnessed the alleged offense (lack of) which took place while kids were entering a class, but you wouldn't believe the shit storm (well you would because you're a teacher). The accuser came out of it badly and the teacher has become paranoid declining to go on school trips and practicing exagerated social distancing well before Covid. I reckon he'll quit the profession before long he was so marked by the injustice of the situation.
All that because the allegations were made public by a member of the school hierarchy before investigation.
While there’s still doubt people shouldn’t be suspended.
No. Any member of my staff arrested for an abusive crime would be immediately suspended on full pay. It's what any responsible employer would do. The alternative is to leave a potential abuser in a position of power and is the refuge of the apologist.
If I was arrested for a crime of much lower seriousness I would be suspended immediately.
this guy should be suspended immediately without a shadow of doubt or hesitation
Yep, I know of a person suspended on full pay at our gaff for allegedly bashing a copper on a night out scrap pre-covid. No Court date for obvious reasons but still suspended.
Arrested and charged or just arrested, TJ? You can be arrested and taken into custody and then charged or released. What happens if you get arrested then released without charge pending enquiries?
It smacks of guilty until proven innocent from where I'm sitting.
Not a nice position to be in if you are innocent:
https://www.bhatiabest.co.uk/released-under-investigation/
The name will leak soon.
Then we're on for a tory hat-trick...elphicke, mr as yet un-named; who's next?
Roll-up, roll-up all you naughty tories; get your name in the press.
So the alleged rapist just gets on with his life - tra la la; when his identity is made public will other accusers come forward?
If parliament was still sitting the use of parliamentary privilege would force the issue rapidly.
Seeing that Penfold image and a bit of googling led me to Brian Moore the ex rugby players Twitter page.
He's binners in disguise I swear.
https://mobile.twitter.com/brianmoore666?
From the Daily Mail Im affraid so no linky just the text copied......
The former rugby star waded into controversy last year after sending a rude two-word reply to Boris Johnson ahead the national rugby team's defeat.
Jones told the Prime Minister to 'f*** off' after he wished Eddie Jones and his players well. He later replied to a tweet by Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn with a similar message - 'just for balance'.
Edukator
If I was arrested on such a serious matter then I would be suspended on full pay. My profession takes public protection seriously.
Edukator is right - naming the guy (I assume it's a guy) won't help bring justice.
Putting aside the debate on innocent until proven guilty, a media shit storm with the guys name up beside Elphicke could rightly be claimed by his lawyers as impacting a fair trial.
The main problem is how to manage any ongoing harm to the victim. I assume arrangements will be put in place to make sure there is no possible contact.
Even if you're just excited about it being a tory, surely his name coming out later after the trial would better? More details, and not buried in the Elphicke fallout, Covid, summer holiday time? Keep the drip drip of bad news for Boris going.
naming the guy (I assume it’s a guy)
Only a male is suitably equipped for this particular crime.
You have a very limited definition of rape in your force, thegreatape. In France any unwanted perentration of the vagina, anus or mouth in a sexual context using any object by either sex is considered rape.
The main problem is how to manage any ongoing harm to the victim.
If the MP is suspended and his name made public the media speculation will start, every potential victim will be tracked and hassled by the media and the MP's entourage - so much for victim protection.
Then if it goes to trial and the MP is aquitted which is highly likely given the successful prosecution rate in rape cases, where does the victim stand then? It's a mess for the victims because in most cases they get raped and then see their agressors aquitted. And a mess for for those wrongly accused for whatever reason (I'm not suggesting all those aquitted were innocent because the level of proof required is higher can be provided in many cases).
The MP's case is part of a wider debate of how the current system fails so many victims (and a few accused), even if they don't end up in "a media shit storm".
Not suspended....
So it's looking odds-on that it is a Brexit Believer, then?
You could work it out if you could be arsed. Male, 50s, probably heterosexual, Brexiteer, the locations named suggest the office or London address of the MP.
Lists compiled here
Tory sleaze will be water off a ducks back for Johnson, his voters won't care coz he he 'got brexit done' 🙄
Chief Whip took no action.
Definitely a prominent Brexiteer, then.
Definitely someone who's taken the blood oath swearing undying fealty to Emperor Cummings.