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so how much is going to get pissed up against a wall in local boozer or wasted on a new playstation and how much will go on the leccy bill
I thought it was going to the people on UC - not the Tories?
And once again:
Would Boris Johnson be prime minister if the UK had voted Remain?
It is a simple enough question.
I know this was a directed question, but I've always enjoyed a bit of alternative history theorising.
For me, no, not a chance.
CMD saw a worrying rise in UKIP, not enough that they'd ever win a GE, but enough to leech votes from the Tories, or worse still enough that Eurosceptic Tory MPs defect.
I think buoyed by the easy win for him in the PR referendum he gambled his career on the Brexit referendum. If remain won, and it seemed unthinkable they wouldn't right up to the point the votes were counted, it would put the subject to bed for a decade or two.
'Supposedly', although who knows how true this is, Johnson only decided to back Leave at the last moment, his team were struggling to re-position him from the bumbling idol they'd some how managed to elect as London mayor to a 'proper' leader. I'd guess that if things followed the usual pattern of British Politics, the Tories would get another term or so in No10 before they screwed something up and then another 2 or 3 terms in opposition. If Johnson didn't take a chance then, he might not get another one, even for the Tories, he's not great candidate to take on an incumbent Labour Leader.
If I had to bet, I'd say CMD would still be PM now if Remain won, all things being equal.
Can you provide some links, please?
Also – will you be advertising your Leave credentials when you march?
The vast majority of worldwide demonstrations were not shown on the MSM.
There was a huge cross-section of folk on the London (medical freedom) march I attended including generations of families. Politically, from perusing some UK fora there's a lot of contempt for the Tories. Haven't a clue whether the Government are still ponying up for the MSM, certainly hope not!
No, I don’t believe so.
Well, that's your prerogative and there's not much I can do about that.
Just to add @gardentiger I voted Tory until some 20 years ago cos the writing was on the wall then. Now I have no intention of ever voting again, not even in local elections.
I’ve said before that I voted “leave” due to the overreach of the EU and the monstrosity it had become
A position you appear to have arrived at some time after the actual vote. I recall you saying you voted leave to give David Cameron a bloody nose.
A position you appear to have arrived at some time after the actual vote. I recall you saying you voted leave to give David Cameron a bloody nose.
Nope, was unhappy with what the EU had become a long time before the vote. I trusted DC as far as I could have thrown him. Was surprised that Remain didn't win though but regardless a simple 'yes' or 'no' is not the proper way to do something so important.
Any chance we could have another thread for people to just be unpleasant to one another?
I’m all for giving money to those who need it, but I’m not so happy that my taxes are going to support people who have generous pension pots, and property worth money the younger generations can only dream of.
There's a sweeping generalisation right there.
Can we give the whole gardentiger/dannyh thing a rest, or start another thread or get a room or something. Please.
Can we give the whole gardentiger/dannyh thing a rest, or start another thread or get a room or something. Please.
Or Can one of the mods do an IP address thing? It's distracting from the subject.
a simple ‘yes’ or ‘no’ is not the proper way to do something so important
Now there I agree, because 52:48 will split the UK for generations.
Not sure what you mean about EU overreach though, but then at heart I’m a cultural nationalist (signed up kilt owner) but political anti-nationalist.
Hefty economic block good, small minded nationalism / patriotism bad
The EU was (still is for others) a big members club with privileges for membership (which in our case was extra economic activity and jobs noticeably in excess of our membership fees) in exchange for following a set of rules that we had a major role in writing.
Now instead of a pan-European consensus driven economic block, we have an English government struggling to run a UK where it has little support and no consensus outside its English heartlands.
Has anyone seen Carrie recently? Asking for a friend......
I’ve had enough of you whining at those who voted for Brexit
I'm going to leave my part in this little sub- thread by saying this:
"You're only six years in and there's at least another ten before any of the damage is reversed. So I would make sure I was sitting comfortably if I was you".
I'm sure the Brexity Boris Circus will throw up another mind-****ingly stupid sub-topic in the next day or so - for us all to get our teeth into.
The EU was (still is for others) a big members club with privileges for membership (which in our case was extra economic activity and jobs noticeably in excess of our membership fees) in exchange for following a set of rules that we had a major role in writing.
And vetoing. Along with only three other members - who weren't such PITAs as the UK.
There’s a sweeping generalisation right there.
Not really. I’m not saying all pensioners are loaded, most aren’t. But many are far more comfortable than those of working age, and I resent giving them any more.
Give it to pensioners who struggle to heat their homes by all means, and indeed any other household who similarly struggles. Don’t however give it to the retired couple who live in a million pound house, live comfortably off their generous final salary pension, and manage 2 foreign holidays a year.
Has anyone seen Carrie recently? Asking for a friend……
She's gone full roadie, I fear that we'll never see her posting on here again
Not really. I’m not saying all pensioners are loaded, most aren’t. But many are far more comfortable than those of working age
Yep. 1 in 5 are millionaires! There's a few that are quite comfortable
I voted Tory until some 20 years ago cos the writing was on the wall then. Now I have no intention of ever voting again, not even in local elections.
The Tories love people that don't vote. Makes getting elected much easier for them.
Has anyone seen Carrie recently?
Probably doing her best Lady MacBeth with the Greased Piglet.
"Get your fat trotters off of me you silly little man. Only an idiot would have got caught."
Is MSM something to do with Microsoft? Somebody used it on here and it’s not an acronym I recognise.
MSG I know of course - ex of The Scorpions.
Main stream media?
Yep. 1 in 5 are millionaires! There’s a few that are quite comfortable
Not sure if you are being sarcastic or not, but I reckon if you include property wealth then it won’t be that far off that.
you're thinking of msn, msm is main stream media
My Silly Mistake?
Not sure if you are being sarcastic or not, but I reckon if you include property wealth then it won’t be that far off that.
Totally serious. Probably higher by now as 1 in 5 millionaires was 2018 ONS figures
Got it.
Main stream media
So the Daily Mail not the Huffington Post
Any chance we could have another thread for people to just be unpleasant to one another?
Check out this website, chock full of them....
https://singletrackworld.com/chat-forum/
Now I have no intention of ever voting again, not even in local elections.
Please reconsider. Especially local elections. It should be very easy to actually engage (you know, talk to) your local councillor. They may be doing things that directly benefit you and your community. And if they're not... find out who will... and give them your support instead.
Malicious Sado Masochism?
I gave up voting years ago, but they dutifully deliver to me a nice card made of just the right thickness of paper that makes excellent filters for my roll ups.
Of more use I feel.
I gave up voting years ago, but they dutifully deliver to me a nice card made of just the right thickness of paper that makes excellent filters for my roll ups.
Sticking it to the man by helping to keep the Tories in power
Sticking it to the man by helping to keep the Tories in power
Great solution to our problems isn't it?
Well, I will keep voting for whoever does the most damage to the Tories / Brexity as possible. I don't really care who because:
1) I'm pissing in the wind where I live.
2) I'm pissing in the wind nationally until a 'Anyone but the Tories' coalition is formed.
There's no way '2' will happen because the loony left of Labour will never allow it.
So basically - so much wind, so much piss, so much... er... largely ineffectual piss-mist.
😔
I've recently moved to a Tory ward, part of a Lib Dem council. On the 'anyone but the Tories' basis I voted Lib Dem, and we came within a couple hundred votes of unseating one of our Tory councillors.
Maybe next time eh?
Me? Stupid Moron?
Maybe next time eh?
Absolutely. Its an annoying slow process, especially in our instant gratification world, but change can happen. We've seen quite a shift with the greens gaining a lot of traction. I think there are plenty out there who won't vote for a 'fringe' party but once they start to see a slight change are happy to get in on it.
Seriously?!?! There are people that deliberately don't vote and are proud of it? Is this a direct consequence of all the "they're all the same" rhetoric or some misguided idea that it's the right thing to do?
As others have said it plays directly into the hands of the Tories.
Is this a direct consequence of all the “they’re all the same” rhetoric or some misguided idea that it’s the right thing to do?
Don't know, but I hear it a lot.
I met an old boy moaning about a footpath closure being done because a load of houses are going to be thrown up and the infrastructure needs to in.
I told him not to vote Tory and he said that exact line. I just told him that he couldn't be doing much worse and to maybe give it a try. The most extreme position I can imagine him taking would be not to vote at all - because he looked so put out by my suggestion. 🤷♂️
More Singletrack Musings? Oh and yes - fight the power.
Is MSM something to do with Microsoft? Somebody used it on here and it’s not an acronym I recognise.
msm is main stream media
It has a slightly different meaning in sexual health medicine literature, which can be confusing sometimes.
Seriously?!?! There are people that deliberately don’t vote and are proud of it?
No not proud, just painfully - and correctly - aware that their vote has no power and is entirely redundant. The whole point of democracy is to give people a choice over who governs them and what they do with that power. Our 'democracy' in most cases doesn't do that, so it's no suprise that many don't bother with the pretence.
Do you actually know anyone who’s struggling to make ends meet at the moment?
Or just read about them in the Daily Mail?
Go in any local spoons from 10am onwards and you'll see plenty of 'struggling' wasters settling themselves in for a days drinking.
Obviously there are a lot of genuine families that will be struggling, but the evidence is there to see that there are a good few who aren't as hard up as they make out to be.
Go in any local spoons from 10am onwards and you’ll see plenty of ‘struggling’ wasters settling themselves in for a days drinking.
Shocking. How can anyone justify such a life of luxury and self-fulfilment? Or maybe your one dimensional, snobbish and ignorant analysis doesn't hold up under the weight of the real life misery and hopelessness people experience which forces them to do such a thing?