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Its not a 'windfall tax' its a 'Temporary Energy Profits Levy'
I wonder how many other Labour policies they're going to nick and rename?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61592728
Wish we had a big telethon-style counter to visualise the number of letters of no confidence progressing toward the magic 54.
a cabinet who are utterly and completely detached from the reality of lives lived by the majority of voters
Hi there Binners, hopefully I wasn’t piling on just responding to a comment someone made, but moving on…
How can they be detached from the majority of voters, I keep hearing how BoJo is a man of the people, able to connect with the common man (I’m not going to comment on his connects with women, I’ll leave that to others).
Yep, entitled, uncaring, I’m all right Jack, government who we would all be better off without.
Football teams in Britain seem to do better with foreign managers, maybe we should adopt the same approach with government? I hear a certain Merkel and Obama might be out of contract.
@chakaping Sturdy is my local MP, farmer and junior Brexy.
I did point out to him he was selling farming down the river with Brexit.
He disagreed at the time, but I understand his views may have shifted a little.
Record low unemployment… blah, blah, blah…. we must grow our way out of this … blah, blah, blah…
The current [i]phrase du jour[/i] seems to be a "high-skills, high-wage economy."
How they plan to achieve this based on record low investment in schools and education and seemingly ignoring the huge number of people in absolutely vital but "low skills" service jobs* is beyond me. Maybe it means their own wages will be increased...
*I put "low skilled" in " " because you and I know full well that cleaners and baristas and delivery drivers are not "low skilled" at all; they are a specific set of skills and they are vital to the economy. The stockbrokers and hedge fund managers won't get far without their offices being cleaned and their coffee...
Random anecdote
walking out of Euston station looking at my phone trying to find a message, HS2 building works security guard asked me if I was lost, I explained I was just sending a message he replied, 'is it to boris johnson? if its say its from me too!' and we all had a chuckle
was pretty weird as, judging a book by its cover, Id say he looked like a stereotypical johnson fan, maybe he the polish really has worn off that turd
now if we could just flush him
No. Happy now?
On this small point, yes. Thanks.
Now I can just sit back and chuckle as dazh refuses to answer the same question - by posing umpteen less important (and mostly irrelevant) counter-questions. Daz's reluctance to criticise Brexit is revealing in the extreme.
When are the Lexiteers going to spring into action by the way? Surely the time to strike is now - when the economic damage makes a Socialist movement utterly irresistible?
😂
^^^
I fully expect that post to ‘disappear’ shortly and a ban.
Just to get that on the record now.
Not sure why you would think that, dannyh. It's more likely that there will be a high-grade, full petticoat flounce first.
And another thread falls victim to a lefty pile-on by the usual suspects
I wouldn't worry about it. It is just one or two pages.
Johnson’s corruption will provide ample future material for the thread to get back on topic.
And stand as a monument to everyone who voted Leave.
🙂
Far right tory govt my arse! The thatcherites will be spitting blood. Wonder how many letters will be going into the 1922 committee on account that Johnson is a red tory wet?
https://twitter.com/PJTheEconomist/status/1529790374465654790?s=20&t=yGOhtTFVPipMrMMoYxfkWA
Rachel Reeves did a good job there of pointing out that they've just lifted and renamed Labours proposed policies and they are a government totally devoid of ideas.
I wonder if anyone is actually listening?
High skills, high wage economy.
Hmmm…
I’ve done this one before, but given our post Brexit immigration policy is specifically tailored to allow us to buy in high skill people, I think people who don’t get a good set of qualifications at the first time of asking from school / university should worry.
Because as mentioned above, we will still need low skill, presumably low wage people, and we can import them.
And little incentive for companies to train people up when they can just buy them in.
So the indigenous population with tend to be more constrained to low pay jobs they than were.
The “haves” are going to be OK, the “have nots”? Well you don’t miss what you never had, do you?
Do you?
Worry.
We need some more right leaning people to come to the defence of Johnson and his government... would make this thread more interesting.
Just a thought - people who are saying that we should have to show some expertise before voting.
How about people who are actually in charge of stuff have to show some basic knowledge about the job - you know, like the Home Sec trying to pass laws that are actually illegal, a culture secretary that has an understanding of culture, a foreign secretary who doesn't just view the world as an opportunity to try on other nations national dress...
You broke it… you fix it.
[ EDIT: apologies, I meant that to be flippant fun, it came across far too bluntly… but ultimately we can only sort this out if Johnson and his team of self serving incompetents lose their “get out of jail free cards” they are currently carrying in their top pockets that just say “got Brexit done” on them in big bold letters … they have to lose the support of voters who still give them the benefit of the doubt due to their Brexit promises (the actual details of which seem to be far too conveniently forgotten) ]
@kelvin, agree with you there but can't help feeling that many voters are simply "run down" with what's hanging over their heads such as the cost of living, lack of job security etc etc. The public surely are sick of lying politicians with heads in the trough along with second jobs all the while failing to hold the Government to account. The "controlled" opposition have no intention of ever rocking the boat, that's plain to see.
We need an uprising otherwise we'll see anarchy. Look to France for how to show dissatisfaction on the streets, disruption is what's needed and sends a powerful message.
Think his plan is some sort of fascist state where people can only vote (and probably other stuff like having kids etc) if they are pure enough and conform to some standard defined by liberal elitists such as himself.
@dazh, reckon we're heading that way with something similar to the CCP.
We need an uprising otherwise we’ll see anarchy. Look to France for how to show dissatisfaction on the streets, disruption is what’s needed and sends a powerful message.
Can you provide some links, please?
Also - will you be advertising your Leave credentials when you march?
To be fair those who voted for Brexit have to take a good share of the blame for enabling BoJo and the entitled idiots we have handed this country over to.
@igm I honestly believe that the Tories weren't expecting that result. The EU has been a massive trough for politicians and reckon that they wanted to continue on the gravy train.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61583651
Meanwhile, eight million households on means-tested benefits will get £650 paid directly into their bank accounts in two lump sums - one in July, the other this autumn.
so how much is going to get pissed up against a wall in local boozer or wasted on a new playstation and how much will go on the leccy bill
so how much is going to get pissed up against a wall in local boozer or wasted on a new playstation and how much will go on the leccy bill
I take a hard stance on that - do that and you don’t moan about the Price of Gas next January.
I honestly believe that the Tories weren’t expecting that result. The EU has been a massive trough for politicians and reckon that they wanted to continue on the gravy train.
Why did you vote leave?
so how much is going to get pissed up against a wall in local boozer or wasted on a new playstation and how much will go on the leccy bill
Never underestimate the warming properties of a Bacardigan
Now... be off with you back to your Daily Mail editorial writing duties, you wee scamp
while failing to hold the Government to account
Surely, at least SOME of the blame for the behaviour of the government is down to the people in it, and their supporters, rather than other politicians who are not in power?
Labour's policies acceptable to the tories? Unbelievable.
I honestly believe that the Tories weren’t expecting that result
I can agree with you on that at least.
Brexit was always going to make us all poorer
People were warned endlessly about it, that negative campaigning was labelled project fear and that was a genius move that helped Leave win
Doesn't change the fact that brexit has made us poorer
But no leave voter wants to admit that
I’ve no need to answer that as it seems to be a message for someone else. Crossed threads?
I'm referring to when you flounced under your previous username of dannyh. Hope that clarifies things.
We need an uprising otherwise we’ll see anarchy. Look to France for how to show dissatisfaction on the streets, disruption is what’s needed and sends a powerful message.
I'm not sure we should look to France - despite their many advantages (culture, climate, geography) they don't seem very happy with their lot.
was pretty weird as, judging a book by its cover, Id say he looked like a stereotypical johnson fan, maybe he the polish really has worn off that turd
One of my Mum's friends told her yesterday that Johnson has now to go.
Express buying, well-off pensioner in the Borders and long, long time Tory voter.
She might go LibDem at the next election, this was David Steel's constituency, or not vote - unsure which, but if her 'kind' are looking elsewhere then our Tory MP is toast.
How about people who are actually in charge of stuff have to show some basic knowledge about the job – you know, like the Home Sec trying to pass laws that are actually illegal, a culture secretary that has an understanding of culture, a foreign secretary who doesn’t just view the world as an opportunity to try on other nations national dress…
This shouldn't be funny.
So 8 million pensioner households get extra payments. Is that means tested?
I’m all for giving money to those who need it, but I’m not so happy that my taxes are going to support people who have generous pension pots, and property worth money the younger generations can only dream of.
Of course it’s the Tory government so they need a juicy carrot for their aging voter base, but it sticks in the throat that I have to fund a generation who have been far more fortunate than those that came after. Especially given a large majority of them voted for the very policies that have got us into this mess in the first place.
Meanwhile the youth of today can’t buy housing, and will be working until they drop
Anyway cinnamon_girl, I wouldn't worry too much about attending any marches.
The Home Secretary your vote enabled has pretty much outlawed it.
I’m not sure we should look to France – despite their many advantages (culture, climate, geography) they don’t seem very happy with their lot.
They're never happy. You're not a true French person unless you're finding fault and complaining about everything.
I’m referring to when you flounced under your previous username of dannyh. Hope that clarifies things.
It is totally clear, just addressed to the wrong person.
so how much is going to get pissed up against a wall in local boozer or wasted on a new playstation and how much will go on the leccy bill
Do you actually know anyone who's struggling to make ends meet at the moment?
Or just read about them in the Daily Mail?
Yes I know people in this situation thanks.
I also know their mindset if given a lump sum of cash they will spend on the here and now rather than something that will be upon them in months to come.
Giving them cash when they live for the moment is not the way to solve their financial problems, applying credit to their energy supplier but I'm guessing that's tooo much work for this sound bite gov
She might go LibDem at the next election, this was David Steel’s constituency, or not vote – unsure which, but if her ‘kind’ are looking elsewhere then our Tory MP is toast.
The Lib Dems are the natural home of disaffected Tories who can't bring themselves to vote Labour - look at the recent council elections.
There's a real danger that the anti-Tory vote will split and allow the bastards back in by the back door. An "Anything but Tory" coalition is a must.
Preferably with electoral reform as its uniting feature. PR may stop Labour forming a government on their own, FPTP may prevent them ever forming a government again.
I’ve contacted my spineless shit of a MP at least five times – never had a reply.
I can't imagine why.
I am sure that you must have made your point in your usual delightful way. Did you use the turd analogy much?
so how much is going to get pissed up against a wall in local boozer or wasted on a new playstation and how much will go on the leccy bill
It will all go on the leccy bill if it really comes to it. Not that it should in a modern, western democracy.
Shouting down good news (even if it is a crumb thrown from the top table) with Daily Fail style rantings is not clever.
I’m not dannyh, I am gardentiger.
But I know I have to be careful around you, given your *cough* ‘special’ status.
Kelvin’s comment will suffice – you broke it, you fix it.
But in actual fact I have done the first two things on your list.
I’ve contacted my spineless shit of a MP at least five times – never had a reply.
I’ve also been trying to cultivate like-minded local folk. They are all of a pretty similar opinion to me. It’s just that sensible centrists often don’t feel the need to roam around in packs for each other’s protection from alternative views. The same goes for fallen hippies who voted Leave, now regret it and want someone to say “there, there, it is OK to be confused”.
Why did you vote Leave, by the way?
@gardentiger/danny. I've not broken anything, politicians have been doing that themselves with a free pass.
Well done on making contact with your MP although bad luck you've not have any response. Have heard this many times and could be worth writing to their boss. Unsure whether the Public Administration and Constitutional Affairs Committee are able to help? From their website:
The Public Administration and Constitutional Affairs Committee (PACAC) is appointed by the House of Commons to examine: constitutional issues; the quality and standards of administration provided by Civil Service departments; and the reports of the Parliamentary and Health Service Ombudsman (PHSO). It is chaired by William Wragg MP. You can follow the Committee on Twitter @CommonsPACAC
Don't understand your objection to "roaming in packs". See my comments to other responses.
I've said before that I voted "leave" due to the overreach of the EU and the monstrosity it had become. Nothing has been done to address this apart from Thatcher many years ago. Nothing whatsoever to do with immigration and everything to do with the public not given a vote on what it has become and whether we're happy paying for that.
Said upthread that I don't believe the Tories seriously wanted to leave the EU. To answer your q I believe Johnson would be PM if the UK had stayed in the EU. He's not fussy which trough he feeds from.
Maybe should have issued vouchers for energy only. Or bike parts.
I can’t imagine why.
I am sure that you must have made your point in your usual delightful way. Did you use the turd analogy much?
I was polite whilst leaving him in no doubt he is on the wrong side of history. History being what he graduated in, so I thought a bit of an allusion to that might strike a chord.
There's no way I'd give him the excuse to dismiss me on grounds of me being personally insulting.
He is a spineless shit, mind.
I’ve not broken anything, politicians have been doing that themselves with a free pass.
A free pass you gave them.
To answer your q I believe Johnson would be PM if the UK had stayed in the EU.
You are kidding, right?
I’ve said before that I voted “leave” due to the overreach of the EU and the monstrosity it had become.
Specifically?
It is totally clear, just addressed to the wrong person.
No, I don't believe so. Carry on the pretence if you wish but you're fooling no-one except yourself.
They’re never happy. You’re not a true French person unless you’re finding fault and complaining about everything.
That's why they're on their fifth go at being a republic...