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Slippier than a shaved seal in an olive oil dressing.
Well done Leavers.
Sorry, I am not sure I agree with en-masse blame for a few lying and cheating individuals.
Increasingly my frustration is with an opposition and the system we have. A combination of which means we cannot hold these charlatans to account.
If the Tory party continue to back him after all this, then they really are utterly morally bankrupt
I think needs to be Starmers line from now yo any election.
I'd include the newspapers in this if I was SKS. Take the ****ers on.
I'd say the system doesn't allow the opposition to hold the government to account when they have a majority. A minority government 'gets less done' but what does get done seems to be more palatable because it must be a bi-partisan agreement to get it through.
We're really not helped by the wet lettuce in the speaker's chair. Hoyle is enabling Johnson's shitbaggery by not holding him to account
Just listening to the press conference - the mask slipped for just a second, when Beth Rigby asked a second question...
Sorry, I am not sure I agree with en-masse blame for a few lying and cheating individuals.
Would Boris Johnson be Prime Minister if the UK had voted Remain?
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Hopefully the press will goad him enough that the mask will slip
And push for actual answers to questions
That press conference was an absolute disgrace.
It’s obvious that as far as he’s concerned, he doesn’t have to justify himself to anybody and we should all be eternally grateful that he bothers to pretend that he does
Yeah the current speaker of the house is just a johnson enabler...
Bercow was brilliant, he had alligations of bullying, but he didn't take any crap from anyone when sat in that chair, maybe that's why he was accused of bullying by the tories in the first place, seeing as he was technically a tory.
Was surprised that there was some interesting questions from the usually partisan news outlets in there.
Maybe, just maybe his days ARE numbered. . . .
Are there any plans for a massive protest in London this weekend? Has anyone seen anything?Isn't it time 100,000s people packed the streets and demanded his resignation? Government is truly broken so it's time to march isn't it?
Was surprised that there was some interesting questions from the usually partisan news outlets in there.
Maybe, just maybe his days ARE numbered. . .
I did wonder if the the Dirty Digger being on the losing side in Australia, may change tack here so not have the same fate in the UK. Probably just double down and run with stories about the Saxcobergs and idiots island.
Are there any plans for a massive protest in London this weekend?
Thanks to Priti Vacant, I think this will be illegal.
It was a disgrace. He clearly didn’t want to be there, was advised to limit his responses and expected our gratitude for the extra ones. He’s thrown the No10 staffers under the bus, and will have to find a token person to fire. He also played to nationalists and Brexiteers in that he’ll focus on getting broken Britain done. Didn’t he say that before it got even more broken and after another scandal?
Finally, he proved the point by answering “No” to the question “Are you a liar…”
Actually, thanks to Extinction Rebellion and Kill the Bill protests, I think we still can march without getting arrested.
Note the word 'think' here. That is how bad the erosion of our freedoms have got.
Shudder!
I just made the mistake of looking on Facebook to see if there were plans for a protest. My God! There are so many people on his side! Many calling 'Sir Beer Starmer' the problem.
Weirdly makes me feel better somehow. I couldn't understand how Boris was continuing to survive, I just couldn't conceive how anyone could support him. Of course there are millions of people who don't think like me. I guess their opinions are as valid as mine.
Yuk!
If it's any consolation, Farage has attacked BoJo on GMB according to the express*, for delivering the wrong type of brexit.
*I like to peak into the extreme right wing press now and then to see what they are all still so angry about, now that they have got what they have voted for, and are refusing to 'get over it, and move on'.
My local MP is Tom Tugendhat so I've just emailed him to say (I paraphrase); Go on then Sunshine! Today would be a great day to make your mark in history.
just couldn’t conceive how anyone could support him.
Watching todays events it’s almost inconceivable, like I’ve missed something, yet can’t think what it is…
Know what you mean mate.
I can't even begin to understand a lot of people. I found/find the support for Trump inconceivable, but concluded that all Americans were mad (contrary to every American that I've met who seemed really nice). Turns out that all English are mad too (and probably quite nice in person generally).
Humans are effing mad! That's the only conclusion that can be drawn with certainty.
I couldn’t understand how Boris was continuing to survive, I just couldn’t conceive how anyone could support him. Of course there are millions of people who don’t think like me. I guess their opinions are as valid as mine.
Just go and look on other forums like Pistonheads, there's loads of posters defending him. Don't forget that the Tories have rigged the voting system to such an extent that they only really need to get a small percentage of the country to vote for them and they stay in power. There's enough people out there for them to easily do that right now. Johnson isn't going anywhere without a credible replacement available or until the voters threaten to remove the party's power.
Just typing that makes me feel very queasy.
The longer he hangs on as damaged goods the worse the Tories chances at the next election. Those leaets and postets showing him partying are electoral gold
I wouldn’t be so sure. All feels very early ‘80s again and look how long it took to get rid of that monster.
@tjagain I agree.
Who would the tories replace him with though? It's a pretty shallow pool of talent.
People said no one wanted the poisoned Cup when Theresa may got voted out.
It's a fascinating insight into the conservatives 'Road map for the future'. I'll give them that.
But then we have labour voters like Dazh refusing to vote labour because Starmer is 'too boring', so we are stuck in the perpetual cycle of BS.
Sadly the country needs leadership now, otherwise I’d take the 2 years on the chin to get shot of them.
I just couldn’t conceive how anyone could support him.
it puzzles me too. Acting as if he’s the downtrodden outsider seems to have worked, despite overwhelming facts to show to opposite
Of course there are millions of people who don’t think like me.
In my case this is clearly true. Sadly, a few percent too many.
I guess their opinions are as valid as mine.
Yuk!
I’m not sure I agree here. Their vote certainly counts just as much as much as mine, as it should.
But when the opinions are based on some of the BS you hear spouted, I’m not sure opinions are all equal. In my opinion…!
Dantz
Even if Johnson goes we don't get an election. We still get a tory pm.
Probably sunak, the ultimate off shore aficionado..but he's brown so you can't accuse him of racism, amirite?
Even if Johnson goes we don’t get an election. We still get a tory pm.
I think (hope) we all get that.
It's just that (to Dantsw13's point) the country needs a spot of leadership right now, and we won't get that from a populist clown who would struggle to tie his own shoe laces.
The (misguided??) assumption here is that we can't get anyone worse in charge but I think that's always ripe for discussion....
The nation is sleepwalking into the abyss.
We wont get leadetship from any tory. Truss? Sunack? Hunt?
From what I'm reading online, it's clear that an awful lot of people still think Brexit is the way to go and an awful lot of people think the Tories, whilst clearly there are problems, are still better than anyone else.
I'm watching from Spain, but I'll be in the UK on Friday and I'm staying on and off until September - so will be interesting to actually talk to people and see what the general feeling is.
Labour voters on the left leaning side will all but guarantee another period of tories by abstaining.
Labour supporters are literally sealing thier own fate.
And our greasy piglet of a PM knows this.
But then we have labour voters like Dazh refusing to vote labour because Starmer is ‘too boring’
No it’s because he’s a lying disingenuous coward who prioritises the maintenance of the status quo and the internal party control by the PLP over the interests of working people.
I probably will vote labour for no other reason than our local candidate deserves it, but it’ll leave a very sour taste in the mouth. Many like me won’t though, and that will be the difference between a majority and hung parliament.
One other point - don't ever underestimate the British ability to support the underdog. There are people who will be looking at Big Dog and feeling sorry for him, without doubt.
We wont get leadetship from any tory. Truss? Sunack? Hunt?
Whenever I’ve heard Hunt on the radio recently he’s been trying to sound composed and distance himself from BoJo. He’s clearly banking on this all going tits up and wants to look like the sane Tory option.
I really dislike Hunt from his days as Health sec but I kind of want to support his adherence to sanity. Unfortunately, betting on sanity prevailing increasingly looks like the wrong horse.
And here I am saying positive things* about Hunt. Shudder.
*Relative to the other options.
Then they should accept what voting that way means for the country.
Well, can't we at least start stepping in the right direction?
Labour voters on the left leaning side will all but guarantee another period of tories by abstaining.
Why would left wing voters support Starmer? He’s demonstrated time and again that he’s a right wing establishment technocrat who offers nothing to working people. Do you seriously believe he’ll address the crushing inequality we see in the UK? On what evidence? What policies is he proposing that will take power and wealth from the rich and return it to working people? What will he do to enable working people to support themselves and their families? What will he do to enable the kids of working people to get a quality education so they can get a good job and support themselves without relying on their parents? Starmer will change nothing, and just like Johnson he’ll pretend otherwise then make excuses for inaction.
*wrong thread BTW.
Why would left wing voters support Starmer?
I might be a blind man, but there are some things I can still see, the hard left of the party is still making labour unelectable, when the clear and present danger is labour voters allowing the conservatives to carry on.
You think that this country will vote for a left wing government?
When Trump was in I remember thinking then, what would he actually have to do for the tide to turn? It would have had to have been monumentally depraved for opinion to be swayed, Johnson's at the same level, even then he'd still be defended as it being a one off mistake or miss-judgement. Him and his cronies ain't moving an inch.
The nation set the bar with Brexit, that's the level we're at and that ain't changing anytime soon either.
I fundimentally don't agree with any Conservative policy's so it's hard to grasp what people actually see in the feller but the people get what the people want, we're at the mercy of the Ill informed, I'm alright jacks or just generally greedy, theres plenty of them. Sigh.
Maybe it's best if I just ignored the news altogether. I know someone who does and I don't think it negatively effects their life in any way, even with quite difficult circumstances.
Post Brexit, Trump, Covid, Ukraine and BoJo, the news has definitely affected my mental well-being. I wish I could ignore it, but sadly I still care.