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DB it will be to cover the expenses of running an MPs office, however it will also include a lot of expenses the rest of us would pay ourselves, the rest of us have to pay our living expenses from our wages, many MPs pay for their living costs from their expenses and what they claim would be considered excessive in many cases, well beyond what most would consider reasonable for working away from home a lot.


 
Posted : 11/05/2022 8:58 pm
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Lee Anderson is a former Labour Party member who defected to the Tories because he claimed that he was being hounded by Momentum.

Momentum obviously had him well sussed out.


 
Posted : 11/05/2022 9:11 pm
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and what they claim would be considered excessive in many cases, well beyond what most would consider reasonable for working away from home a lot.

I’m thinking of Iain Duncan Smith saying he could easily manage on universal credit (53 quid a week at the time), then the Daily Mirror exposing he’d claimed 40 quid on expenses for his breakfast that morning at a London eatery

They’re utter *s who haven’t got the first *ing clue about how hard life is for a lot of people.

That’s understandable, to a degree, when you come from unbelievable privilege, but the bare faced front to then dismiss that hardship and lecture them from your lofty, well-feathered perch is quite something


 
Posted : 11/05/2022 9:12 pm
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They’re utter *s who haven’t got the first *ing clue about how hard life is for a lot of people.

That’s understandable, to a degree, when you come from unbelievable privilege

As well as being a former Labour Party member Lee Anderson is also a former coal miner, as was his father before him, so I wouldn't exaggerate his alleged privileged background.

Mind you they were Notts miners and many Notts miners were not exactly noted for their understanding of working-class solidarity - with their Thatcher loving scab union the UDM.

So yeah, just another mouthy git from North of the Watford Gap who once claimed to be a Labour Party member but had no understanding of the need for solidarity and radical change, you know the type.


 
Posted : 11/05/2022 10:14 pm
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We had years of governments of all flavours talking about increasing efficiency in the NHS, which sounded great. Then a pandemic hit and we realised that increasing efficiency is just another phrase for removing spare capacity, which is actually quite useful in a health service.

All flavours from Tory to Conservative. There was a step change in the direction health policy took after 2010, prior to that increasing efficiency largely involved increasing capability.


 
Posted : 11/05/2022 10:23 pm
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Lee Anderson is exactly the sort of chippy thug that the modern Tories are designed to appeal to.

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Posted : 12/05/2022 9:42 am
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Momentum obviously had him well sussed out.

When are they getting around to sorting Kate Hoey out?


 
Posted : 12/05/2022 11:21 am
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Lee Anderson was in parliament simultaneously making the case that the food bank in his constituency is doing lots of great work, and that it isn't needed. He was also claiming that it is Labour MPs who are out of touch... because they want people to be able to afford to buy food, rather than rely on food banks. 🤷🏻

50 more fixed penalty notices for Covid breaches for the PM's team. Unlikely to be headline making? We're all still talking about Starmer and his team not breaking the rules, yes?


 
Posted : 12/05/2022 11:28 am
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The tension mounts, I for one can't wait for the next apology.


 
Posted : 12/05/2022 11:38 am
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@ernielynch

Mind you they were Notts miners and many Notts miners were not exactly noted for their understanding of working-class solidarity – with their Thatcher loving scab union the UDM.

As a son of a Notts Miner and a resident of Nottinghamshire - I'd mostly agree - myself and father are very much socialist outliers in our community!

But they've paid the price ever since - they just blame socialism (not in existence in my working life) instead of neoliberalism (40 years of), and foreigners of course. And they all read the Sun way back.

Lee Anderson was in parliament simultaneously making the case that the food bank in his constituency is doing lots of great work, and that it isn’t needed. He was also claiming that it is Labour MPs who are out of touch… because they want people to be able to afford to buy food, rather than rely on food banks

Lee Anderson also wanted some poeple to live in tents. He's a low-baller of the gobby type. He has no idea how to elevate a community.

I've done a lot of community work in Ashfield and take into account that just like neighbouring Mansfield these communities are by-products not causes of deprivation.

Labour was always in a difficult spot with this ex-coalfields and Brexit.


 
Posted : 12/05/2022 11:44 am
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To be fair, Lee Anderson is right in saying "poor people can't cook".

Largely because energy and food prices are so expensive.

(obviously it's not laziness/lack of budgeting that he implied)

Hope Jack Monroe tears him a new one.


 
Posted : 12/05/2022 11:48 am
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Jack Monroe

Her lifestyle makes her an easy target for the culture war thugs.


 
Posted : 12/05/2022 11:52 am
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blame.... foreigners of course

Labour was always in a difficult spot with this ex-coalfields and Brexit.

That's a roundabout way of saying that many of the Red Wall constituents harboured xenophobic (at best) or racist (at worst) tendencies. Labour idealists tend to get a bit touchy about that sort of thing.

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Posted : 12/05/2022 11:56 am
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That’s a roundabout way of saying that many of the Red Wall constituents harboured xenophobic (at best) or racist (at worst) tendencies. Labour idealists tend to get a bit touchy about that sort of thing.

It's not exactly unknown, "working class" and "socialism" are not automatically connected, despite what those with a red flag blocking their eyes may want to believe. And don't forget what happens if you put "National" in front of "Socialist".


 
Posted : 12/05/2022 3:30 pm
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That’s a roundabout way of saying that many of the Red Wall constituents harboured xenophobic (at best) or racist (at worst) tendencies. Labour idealists tend to get a bit touchy about that sort of thing.

For some and I can speak from first had experience.

Anti-EU sentiment came in many forms, and some thinking they were being led by an anti-democratic elite club was a strong narrative around here too.


 
Posted : 12/05/2022 5:06 pm
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Oh lot of the working class are cross breeds politically. There's a lot of anger.

And given they've not really known socialism certainly on the last 40 years - you'd have to go back further to connect the dots.


 
Posted : 12/05/2022 5:09 pm
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Anti-EU sentiment came in many forms, and some thinking they were being led by an anti-democratic elite club was a strong narrative around here too.

So they voted for a movement fronted by Alexander Boris De Pfeffel Johnson.

😂


 
Posted : 12/05/2022 5:23 pm
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50 more FPN's issued to No 10 / Party attendees.


 
Posted : 12/05/2022 5:36 pm
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Enjoyed all this thread…

https://twitter.com/bootstrapcook/status/1524757431393439744?s=21


 
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Mind you they were Notts miners and many Notts miners were not exactly noted for their understanding of working-class solidarity – with their Thatcher loving scab union the UDM.

But they did understand the law. The 1984 strike was based on a ballot in Yorkshire (only) from three years before in 1981. It was made a national official strike by Arthur Scargill in 1984 but a national ballot of NUM members was never held.

"In the book a case is put that far from being the blacklegs of "Spencerite mythology" it can be argued that the majority of the Nottinghamshire Miners in 1984-85 adhered to time honoured custom and practice in line with moderate traditions within the NUM and their stance taken during the 1984-85 strike was a rebellion against what was considered an unofficial and unconstitutional strike not in line with traditional and understood past practices." A History of the Nottinghamshire Miners Vol. 4 (1980-1985) by David Amos


 
Posted : 12/05/2022 5:45 pm
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As a son of a Notts Miner and a resident of Nottinghamshire – I’d mostly agree – myself and father are very much socialist outliers in our community!

During the miner's strike Croydon was very active in the support structures, we had a couple of Notts striking miners billeted in Croydon for the best part of a year. They weren't too impressed with Notts working miners raking it in whilst they relied on charity for food and shelter.

Notts working miners made the obvious and classic mistake of trusting the ruling class to look after them. Thatcher assured them that their future would be secure if they turned their backs on the NUM and trusted her.

She would simply close a few uneconomical pits but "superpits" like Selby would be garranteed a bright future with job security and high wages. It was of course, and very predictably, lies which bought Thatcher time as she planned the wholesale destruction of an entire industry and the communities across the UK that supported it, but they fell for it.

And still people fail to understand the irreconcilability of class antagonism, as they repeatedly place their faith on those whose interests are completely at odds with their own.


 
Posted : 12/05/2022 6:15 pm
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Anti-EU sentiment came in many forms, and some thinking they were being led by an anti-democratic elite club was a strong narrative around here too.

So they voted for a movement fronted by Alexander Boris De Pfeffel Johnson.

😂

and ironically ignoring the wishes of the majority is exactly what Johnson is desperately trying to do in NI!

meanwhile
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1524786031383482376

see also
https://twitter.com/jane__bradley/status/1524647337557172225


 
Posted : 12/05/2022 6:20 pm
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Every time you think this must surely be the straw that breaks the camels back, it isn't 🙁


 
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And still people fail to understand the irreconcilability of class antagonism, as they repeatedly place their faith on those whose interests are completely at odds with their own.

...and follow a union that didn't hold a national ballot.

I live and work in a mining area and have heard both sides of the story, including that of George Spencer who led a non-political union in Notts that didn't follow traditional dogma during the 1926 lockout. This tradition possibly influenced thinking in 1984

Asfordby was the new Leics "superpit". It cost £340mn to sink in the 90s and my neighbour worked there for several years until unexpected geological problems caused its premature closure


 
Posted : 12/05/2022 6:56 pm
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To be fair, Lee Anderson is right in saying “poor people can’t cook”.

Largely because energy and food prices are so expensive.

Also if you're working 2 jobs/long hours the time for cooking from scratch is somewhat limited if one has a family to feed.


 
Posted : 12/05/2022 7:10 pm
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Well if time is limited to cook a meal from scratch then perhaps what is needed isn't food banks but sandwich banks.


 
Posted : 12/05/2022 7:59 pm
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The irony is that the government are saying that some sort of early intervention program is needed, that can help people with all aspects of life, from cooking to education, health, budgeting etc

You could call them Sure Start Centres or something


 
Posted : 12/05/2022 8:04 pm
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Nah, the reason some people end up without a meal to eat is because they don't have any money. Often they are condemned by the system, as the film 'I Daniel Blake' illustrated.

What we need isn't cookery lessons to be provided but a social security system that provides security.

And yes, before someone mentions it, when your life is ****ed up because you are skint sometimes spending the little bit that you have on a bit of roll-up tobacco and a can of drink is worth it, just to make you feel better, even though you might still feel hungry. Actually nicotine is an excellent appetite suppressant.


 
Posted : 12/05/2022 8:17 pm
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You could call them Sure Start Centres or something

A more catchy and all-encompassing name might simply be "school".

This Government has actually achieved absolutely **** all (other than Brexit and it's debatable what they've actually achieved there other than completely screwing the country).

OK, I know Covid got int the way a bit but they've done NOTHING. There's been a few grand plans, a few re-announcements of already allocated money, some wild and clearly bollocks promises but ZERO measurable achievements.


 
Posted : 12/05/2022 8:18 pm
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The irony is that the government are saying that some sort of early intervention program is needed, that can help people with all aspects of life, from cooking to education, health, budgeting etc

You could call them Sure Start Centres or something

The night of the 2019 election MrsMC was up till 3am preparing a court order to get a kid placed into care after a gradual spiral of neglect that she reckons could have been spotted and reversed if the Surestart centre had still been operating.

Austerity ****ed up that poor kids life.


 
Posted : 12/05/2022 8:38 pm
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Schools.wont help unless they are allowed to educate for life as opposed to league table position and pass rates.
It's about stats education doesn't care what you do after, as long as the second you leave it is noted that you have a "positive destination" after that it's someone else's problem what you do or don't have the skills to do.


 
Posted : 12/05/2022 8:57 pm
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I’ve not read this yet… she deserves the right to be heard though… with so many people trying to use her name and work to defend the comments made by Anderson and other Conservatives…

https://twitter.com/bootstrapcook/status/1524781698893893633?s=21
https://twitter.com/bootstrapcook/status/1524809241655185409?s=21


 
Posted : 12/05/2022 9:47 pm
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As before, Jack Monroe is an easy target for the gammons.

If she goes on too much they'll get Priti Nasty to revive trial by ducking stool as a way to test for alternative lifestyles witchcraft.


 
Posted : 12/05/2022 11:49 pm
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So they voted for a movement fronted by Alexander Boris De Pfeffel Johnson.

People vote for Tories and get the opposite of what they think they're going to get.

And still deny it.


 
Posted : 13/05/2022 7:53 am
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And still people fail to understand the irreconcilability of class antagonism, as they repeatedly place their faith on those whose interests are completely at odds with their own.

Ah what’s that old adage of not learning from history

Or the one about the devils best trick 🙂


 
Posted : 13/05/2022 8:05 am
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Every time you think this must surely be the straw that breaks the camels back, it isn’t 🙁

Ah but they all do it,be worse under labour you know the drill 🙂

Still enough apologists out there defending them, still willing to ignore what is in front of their eyes.


 
Posted : 13/05/2022 8:14 am
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Economic stupidity reaches new heights as Johnson sacks 60,000 civil servants to 'save' money and then effectively has to pay them to claim benefits.

A currency issuing government can't or doesn't need to save money.

Talk about giving the frustrated Tories something to enjoy.

Sack some 'useless' civil servants
Make some 'savings'
Make departments more 'efficient'

Tory playbook

To 'pay' for things in the economy. Whilst 60,000 have to find jobs that aren't really there.

It's the reverse of a job guarantee.

My dog understands economics in a better way than most Tories.

The free-market only scales downwards until the government spends into the economy.


 
Posted : 13/05/2022 8:34 am
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Every time you think this must surely be the straw that breaks the camels back, it isn’t 🙁

I'm pretty sure the Tory camel is an invertebrate..


 
Posted : 13/05/2022 8:38 am
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If Whitehall is anything like the part of the public sector I work in it's already on it's knees.

The private sector is resolutely failing to fill the void left by a shrinking public sector.


 
Posted : 13/05/2022 8:40 am
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Economic stupidity reaches new heights as Johnson sacks 60,000 civil servants 

Beeb says it's 90,000, 20% of the people who try to keep this shit government's shit policies from immediately falling flat on their face.

Coming up to 19 years now and frankly wondering where I sign up for the (generous but much reduced) redundancy deal. The loss of experienced staff in the last 4-5 years has crippled us, targets aren't being met, NAO won't sign us off due to the poor results from not enough experienced staff, I'm the 8th from a team of 10 to be signed off in the last 18 months.

Yes, I know its worse in the private sector. But I never thought of the death in service benefit as being a valid choice in the private sector.


 
Posted : 13/05/2022 8:43 am
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I’m pretty sure the Tory camel is an invertebrate..

Spineless?


 
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Have they just announced sacking 1 in 5 civil servants!? The DWP locally had just had a huge recruitment drive because they needed more people!


 
Posted : 13/05/2022 8:45 am
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What we need isn’t cookery lessons to be provided but a social security system that provides security.

Disagree, what we need is a system where both tax & benefits are crunched into one single system.

Universal Income is the only real solution to ensure that citizens get the protection they need AND pay the taxes they should. And it'll be a damn sight cheap than the utter chaos & complexity we now have.

And remember, if anyone is relying on charity for basic needs, society has failed*.

* - failed to protect its citizens

Unfortunately it'll never happen as too many people are selfish, both rich & poor - the rich you can see why, it's to their benefit. But the poor? Just idiots.


 
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