Re: the government buying up excess slaughtered lamb. The cold storage industry say there's no capacity to store the carcases - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49186065
They might buy back lamb this year, but what's going to happen next year or the year after that? I think they will be paying people to get out of sheep farming.
We export lamb to EU and import lamb fron NZ. ****ing crazy!
The cold storage industry say there’s no capacity to store the carcases
Why don't we get those ferries that Grayling was after and convert them into cold storage? They could circle the globe until trade negotiations with Ecuador are concluded.
We export lamb to EU and import lamb fron NZ. **** crazy!
It’s alright though. Once we drop import tariffs on imported lamb, and have tariffs put on our lamb in our export markets… we’ll export less, import more, and kill most of our hill farmers dead. Yeah for us!
Wrong thread though.
We export lamb to EU and import lamb from NZ. **** crazy!
There's are valid reasons for that: firstly balancing supply. NZ being in the southern hemisphere has seasons roughly 6 months out of kilter with ours. NZ lamb is ready for market when UK production is at its lowest so importing lamb at that time ensures there's enough to satisfy demand especially at Easter when our production is just ramping up.
Secondly not every country uses the same cuts from the carcase so while here in the UK lamb usually means lamb chops in other countries that isn't the case.
In a nutshell....
That by-election more crucial than ever
Honeymoon lasted about a week! from Ipsos Mori
Boris Johnson vs past PMs
31% are satisfied with the job Boris Johnson is doing as PM. 38% are dissatisfied and 31% don’t know. Mr Johnson’s ‘net satisfaction’ rating stands at -7 points.
When compared to other PMs that assumed office during a parliament in Ipsos MORI’s long-term trends, Mr Johnson’s net satisfaction rating (-7) compares unfavourably to the first monthly rating achieved by Theresa May (+35), Gordon Brown (+16) and John Major (+15).
Boris Johnson’s first ratings as a new party leader are actually most similar to Jeremy Corbyn’s, who received a score of 33% satisfied, 36% dissatisfied in September 2015.
Similarly, 75% are dissatisfied with how the Johnson government is running the country compared to 18% that are satisfied. This net satisfaction rating of -57 is the worst starting rating held by any government assuming office in the 40 years of the Ipsos MORI Political Monitor series (although of course governments that had just won an election would be expected to have a higher score), the closest being John Major’s (-31) in December of 1990.
Oh my, BoJos majority down to 1 as LDs take Brecon by-election.
Fingers crossed that chap mentioned earlier crosses the floor.
Alan Duncan was my MP when I was at 6th form, he had a lot of time for students. Despite the expenses scandal, when I met him a couple of times he seemed a highly intelligent man who has has rocked the boat a bit withing Tory ranks.
Frankly I'm completely shocked Rutlanders voted for him, given all the backwards inbred weirdos that inhabit that county.
If he defects to the lib dems it would be great, but he'd be annihilated by his constituents.
Hahah, remainers won Brecon because the brexit vote was split by the Brexit party.
Labour wiped out.
Awesome.
Hypothetically if the tories lost another mp in the next week or so , defection or some scandal , what would happen ? Even under normal circumstances it would be hard to govern but surely without any kind of majority there is zero mandate to charge ahead with no deal .
Even under normal circumstances it would be hard to govern but surely without any kind of majority there is zero mandate to charge ahead with no deal
They're on jollies so not much immediately, you'd expect JC to call (and win) a no confidence vote as soon as they're back though but not sure he'd risk doing that, much as he wants an election its easier to let the tories trash the country and hang them selves than actually do anything.
In practice I don't think anyone really believes they have a mandate for the head long suicidal plummet to no deal they're currently making. Majority or no.
In a parallel Universe the Telegraph think it was a good result for Boris!!!!
This was an election that the Lib Dems threw the kitchen sink at and should have been a shoo-in for them. The fact that it wasn’t and that the Conservatives finished a close second, suggests Boris Johnson has got the Conservatives back into play electorally in what is a high risk winner takes all general election strategy. All the same, nothing in this result suggests anything other than ongoing voter unpredictability.
... even without the Brexit party it would have been close, I think Lib Dems may still have won as a chunk of the Brexit voters may not have voted at all as normally tribal Labour who would never vote Tory.
Hahah, remainers won Brecon because the brexit vote was split by the Brexit party.
And the seat wasn't contested by the Greens and Pliad Cymru, the majority is only 1400, its not a resounding win
And the seat wasn’t contested by the Greens and Pliad Cymru, the majority is only 1400, its not a resounding win
Actually that's just something brexiters are trying to console themselves with, pc & greens combined got <5% vote last time there.
I think a lot of this is wishful thinking from remainers who've had very little to cheer for the last few years. At a General Election, a proper 'remainer alliance' would have to involve the labour party, and with the present leadership, that is simply never going to happen. They don't do co-operation as idealogical purity must trump everything, including actually getting elected
I still think that Johnson is getting ready to call a general election, more so now his majority has been reduced. With the labour party in its present shambolic state, who wouldn't?
He's got Dominic Cummings in specifically for this reason. To employ the same dark arts and dodgy practices (Cambridge Analytica) that won the referendum to get himself a majority.
Depressingly, given the state of what nominally passes for HM Opposition, he'll successfully split the vote (actually - they've done that themselves on Borises behalf) and walk it
Then we really are ****ed
I see that today its the announcement of where they intend to open 'Freeports'
Its a catchy name, but lets call them what they actually are, eh? Tax havens.
Still a win for Remain and a loss for Leave.
The calculation that Johnson and Cummings need to make is how many votes can they take back from Brexit party with a No Deal approach compared with votes lost to Lib Dems - especially in suburban Tory areas. Given FPTP it's not a national numbers game - it's multiple local numbers games.
The worrying thing is that Cummings as a non-ideological advisor he can employ win by any policy tactics and the supporting mechanisms to assess and promote whatever will work.
What we don't know from last night's results is how the votes moved between parties. Labour's vote dropped from 7335 to 1680 for example. Not all of them will have backed the Lib-Dems, some will have gone to the Brexit Party. There'd have to be some adjustment to allow for the differing turnouts. Somewhat surprisingly the constituency used to be a Labour stronghold.
At least its shown that lib dems, greens and plaid can work together for remainers, but Labour won't join in and are going to be the biggest loosers in any GE from what I can see.
Labour’s vote dropped from 7335 to 1680 for example. Not all of them will have backed the Lib-Dems, some will have gone to the Brexit Party.
Labours know they're are haemorrhaging support, and their own stats show that they are losing 4 voters to the Lib Dems to every one thats going over to Farage. You'd think that would inform their subsequent strategy. Unfortunately it would appear that there isn't one.
Boris (or the delightful Mr Cummings) will certainly have one
At least its shown that lib dems, greens and plaid can work together for remainers,
I doubt they would cooperate in the same way in a GE. Tories would take that seat back in those circumstances.
The lesson for the Tories is that Farage will keep eating into their vote share
Farage has promised to put up 100s of GE candidates.
His ego is so great that he will find it hard to back down.
Actually that’s just something brexiters are trying to console themselves with
I think they will come away from today's vote with a spring in their step TBH. Clear leave parties have damn near 50% of the vote and that's with an MP who was recalled by his constituents for being a cheaty cheating tosspot, and without combining their campaigns**. Clear remain have scrapped in with a teeny majority (less than the combined leave vote) and with a massively unpopular opposition leader, and with having two national* parties bowing out.
Yes, it's a good thing that Johnson majority is down to 1, and there are all sorts of rumours of Tory MPs defecting, but again that only plays to the Johnson/Cummings election strategy of "We don't want to have an election, we really want to get on with things" nudge nudge wink wink...
There is little cheer to come from this election as a remainer.
*yes, I know, I mean nationally recognised...
** don't think for a minute, that having worked together before, Cummings and Farage aren't cooking up an agreement as we speak....
1. This was a Leave voting constituency, now electing a staunch anti Brexit party.
Cummings was on the official Leave campaign and hated the secondary Aaron Banks/UKIP campaign.
His ego is so great that he will find it hard to back down.
What if he targets seats where the Conservatives normally perform poorly, but Brexit Party was well received at the EU elections? Or where the Conservatives have a candidate he doesn’t like? He could choose to target Labour and the more sensible Tory MPs… perhaps reducing Johnson’s “Conservative” majority, but increasing the balance towards No Deal Brexit nutters in parliament?
...or he might just split the pro Brexit vote three ways and allow in the libdens.
Ironic that if the conservatives had supported the lib den PR bill way back in 2010, they would have won this byelection.
…or he might just split the pro Brexit vote three ways and allow in the libdens.
Lots of seats that can happen, yes… but not nearly enough for them to get past much more than 50 seats. At this point I would very much like to be proven wrong though.
the lib den PR bill
It wasn’t PR, and it wasn’t a LibDem bill… but you are right, it could have changed things dramatically. Although it might have resulted in a Brexit Party win… many of yesterday’s votes were tactical… there’s no way of knowing what people’s real first preference would have been if we had a different voting system in place.
Cummings was on the official Leave campaign and hated the secondary Aaron Banks/UKIP campaign.
Cummings hates everybody who he thinks isn't as smart as he is, and thinks that he's generally the smartest person in any room he's in...But, above all else he's a pragmatist who above all else wants Brexit to happen, and those around him generally understand that if you follow what he says, then you'll mostly get the result you've asked for. If you're relying on a split Tory/Brexit party vote for the upcoming election for a remain win, I'd make your peace with Brexit now to avoid disappointment.
that’s with an MP who was recalled by his constituents for being a cheaty cheating tosspot,
Clutching here! the Tories have just elected a f--- business PM , who's admitted to taking coke & cannabis has just left his family in the latest of a string of affairs and fatherless kids... While farage has had to pay back many multiples of Davies has in fraudulent expenses. Brexiters have no qualms about voting for cheaty cheats.
If you’re relying on a split Tory/Brexit party vote for the upcoming election for a remain win, I’d make your peace with Brexit now to avoid disappointment.
Sadly this is true despite 3 years of national humiliation & chaos, Brexit has become a cult, the Tories, once the party of business are now openly admitting they will shaft the economy.
And the cultists love it
Strange times
1. This was a Leave voting constituency, now electing a staunch anti Brexit party.
Try reading the succesful MPs website,no mention of stopping Brexit and in the speeches I heard from her and the LibDem leader all that was mentioned was stopping a No Deal Brexit,so maybe equivocation is catching 😉
https://www.janedodds.wales/my-plan
even the torygraph, johnson's personal fanzine are acknowledging that No Deal Brexit being pushed by Johnson will be terrible for Welsh farmers
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/07/30/store-welsh-farmers-brexit/
No Deal is the core Johnson message and that is a dangerous game to play
He’s got Dominic Cummings in specifically for this reason. To employ the same dark arts and dodgy practices (Cambridge Analytica) that won the referendum to get himself a majority.
Not sure if it's him but the Tories have already started harvesting potential voter data on Twitter & Facebook using these ads...
https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1156532459141386240
PM's Common's majority has now reduced to One ... 😬
The next GE will be fun with NO majority and a 4 horse race ... 😃
Boris has managed to magic up billions of quid. When there's over 120,000 kids officially homeless, 250,000 kids lost school meals under may, 20,000 less cops. Where the **** is this money coming from?😡
Where the **** is this money coming from?
I imagine mostly Hammond's head room because brexit will be the amsumz so who needs a contingency?
Where the **** is this money coming from?
Something, something, the side of a bus?
Where the **** is this money coming from?
ooh ooh, I know, is it The Magic Money Tree?
I'm loving all the right wing pundits who've spent 3 years lionising garage, 3weeks lionising Johnson
Now complaining there is no Brexit alliance.
Farage has pledged to contest all 630 seats, he's in America right now fundraising to do just that.
The populist genie is out of the bottle & you can't put garage back, his ego is too huge!
