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How on earth is he entitled to legal aid?
How on earth is he entitled to legal aid?
Well, being ‘entitled’ seems to help
How on earth is he entitled to legal aid?
Its not legal aid. The sort of lawyers he hires would laugh at the fees payable via that.
He is getting his fees paid for him as the investigation is about his time in office.
Which is somewhat ironic since the entire investigation is about him lying about not doing their jobs.
Don't worry, it was all just a Labour plot anyway
BBC News - Partygate probe chief Sue Gray offered top job by Labour leader Starmer
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64824776
The right wing rags are enjoying it
I think this period will be looked upon by historians as the most debased and corrupt in the history of UK Governance.
Somewhere an MP is saying, 'Hold my beer!'
DM loving the Sue Gray job.
Gotta love the way the poor tories portray themselves as victims of leftie plots.
Having said that, I can't help thinking the Labour job offer to Sue Gray is just handing the Tories a massive stick. Another own goal.
Doubt Sue Gray is the only Civil Servant looking (forward) to a change of government.
Remember Johnson’s response to Patel’s bullying of staff?
Where are we up to with complaints against Raab…?
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DM loving the Sue Gray job.
Gotta love the way the poor tories portray themselves as victims of leftie plots.Having said that, I can’t help thinking the Labour job offer to Sue Gray is just handing the Tories a massive stick. Another own goal.
Peston was on tv last night saying that the person this gives the biggest headache to is Sunak, as out just brings poor little Boris, who was just "doing his best" back into the limelight. Just as he was becoming irrelevant.
He might have a point.
It is quite amusing watching people who've spent the last few years dishing out multimillion pound contracts to their cronies, giving knighthoods to their family members and appointing their mates to run the BBC etc, now soiling their petticoats in outrage because Starmer has appointed a former civil servant to his office
Kier's judgement on this is as bad as Hancock's book writer choice.
They've all lost the bloody plot.
Kier’s judgement on this is as bad as Hancock’s book writer choice.
Not so sure. While it's lovely to think that you can have a bunch of amateurs (I'm exaggerating) go into Number 10/11 and hit the ground running... her experience will be invaluable to Starmer's team in the first year. Good to know it's not just a bunch of journalists and Tufton Street shrills getting ready to run the Prime Minister's office... (if Labour get that far).
Not doubting her experience and capability - it's the bloody great stick Kier has given the Tories to hit him with that's questionable.
If Johnson hadnt been found guilty by the police & the public his fanbase may have a point
And there is even more damning stuff about to hit the headlines
Starmer hiring widely regarded as smart & competent seems to only bother the die hard corbynites & boris fans
issue thats soon to be overtaken by reminder of just how bad Johnson was as PM
https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1631585379655593985?t=4mm4zHB1Zxqd39nZvQhsnA&s=19
This won't hurt Starmer or Labour; tory frothing won't last long.
I'm more concerned about whether Acoba will attempt to delay her taking up the position and/or raise objections/concerns.
They have a long and very consistent track record of waving through every move from civil service and defence to the public sector; this one is a little different but not much.
I'm sure Starmer and Grey will have talked this through in detail and fully expected the tory piss and wind.
Nothing to see here.
I’m more concerned about whether Acoba will attempt to delay her taking up the position and/or raise objections/concerns.
tbh I think that wouldnt be a bad thing, they couldnt delay it forever and it would only make the tories look more petty
it’s the bloody great stick Kier has given the Tories to hit him with that’s questionable
What's the stick...? That the person Johnson appointed to report on his actions has left the Civil Service and will be working to help remove the Tories? Everyone he tasked with looking over his behaviour has left the building. John Penrose, Lord Christopher Geidt, Sir Alex Allen... must have been demoralising and disillusion establishing work in so many ways.
Wow "The most impartial person in the civil service" turns out to be just that - what a turn up.
Love the Tory frothing over this but they're just making themselves look ridiculous.
I say well played SKS.
Having said that, I can’t help thinking the Labour job offer to Sue Gray is just handing the Tories a massive stick. Another own goal.
I don't see this at all - the Tories & Boris appointed her and hailed how wonderful and independent she was. The possibilities are:
- She was an undercover agent of the left wing establishment, sent to destroy Boris. Begging the question what idiot appointed her?!
- She was a hard working and top ranking civil servant of the highest integrity who had to wade through a cesspit of Boris' making. Who is now making her next career move to the government in waiting. What a great move by Kier, looking for the best talents even if she is tainted by association with the tories.
This all reminds me of my #1 bugbear with the tories. It's the fault of poor people that they're failures. Boris' failures are the fault of the left wing establishment, EUSSR, left wing biased media etc
seems to only bother the die hard corbynites & boris fans
And if you're getting the thumbs down from those two gangs of fruit loops then you're probably on the right lines
the most debased and corrupt in the history of UK Governance
What about when the East India Company "owned" the government? Or the time around the South Sea Bubble? I'd agree with most corrupt in modern (post 19th) times
This won’t hurt Starmer or Labour; tory frothing won’t last long.
Does that mean that the electorate aren't stupid and gullible?
It will certainly be used as a stick to beat Labour/Starmer with, the question I guess is whether you think it will be successful or not.
Many in the party are demanding to know when Labour first made contact with Gray, and whether they did so while her Partygate inquiry was ongoing. The Times reported that Starmer personally contacted Gray months ago after identifying her as the best person for the job.
Probably why she/they waited for the start of the Privileges Committee enquiry and the presentation of evidence to it to make this move. They can scream all they like about Sue Gray's (redacted) report that they told us all the wait so long for... it's about to be completely superseded... possibly starting today.
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Hands.face.space is in the sea just of Llandudnofor Liz Truss fans ‘wrong.wrong.wrong’ is on the corner of Walworth Ave and E225th Street in Cleveland Ohio
It turns out that the magic.money.tree is in Oregon near a town called Shady Cove.
Probably why she/they waited for the start of the Privileges Committee enquiry and the presentation of evidence to it to make this move. They can scream all they like about Sue Gray’s (redacted) report that they told us all the wait so long for… it’s about to be completely superseded… possibly starting today.
Here we go...
It begins.
Sue Gray's (redacted) report has now been made irrelevant.
This won’t hurt Starmer or Labour; tory frothing won’t last long.
Does that mean that the electorate aren’t stupid and gullible?
It will certainly be used as a stick to beat Labour/Starmer with, the question I guess is whether you think it will be successful or not.
I won't be sharing my view about the British electorate.
There will be attempts to beat Starmer/Labour with this 'stick - unsuccessfully.
Don’t the Torries realize that ‘you have nothing to fear if you’ve done nothing wrong’. They say it often enough.
Boris Johnson has refused to supply anything to the Privileges Committee enquiry.
RW press will go after Labour/ Starmer just for existing. The public that have stuck with Johnson will stick with him, those that haven't won't change their opinion. Nothing will change.
If it adds wind to Johnson's sails it will be to the detriment of Sunak and will just be more Tory party infighting to add to the Hancock mess. Let them crack on.
Elect a 🤡 expect a circus
https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1631640661282762753?t=2FqW4VQHdoaOAXD6nc8PfQ&s=19
^ And there you go, the news cycle moves on.
Boris Johnson 'joked he was at most unsocially distanced party in UK' during No 10 lockdown party
The Tory that has been tasked to take to the airwaves to kick up a stink is...
Mad Nad
jeez what a crap looking party
The nails in his coffin keep on hammering down
So shock/horror, the fly tipped sofa has said he is quite concerned that Sue Gray is going to work for the Labour party.
The same Sue Gray who proved,that it was almost a small miracle his pants didn't burst into flames during his time at No10.
No worries though,I fully expect he will slither off (without any punishment) to some privileged grifting tour and some dull book signings.
Mad Nad on R4 world at one; 10 minutes of verbiage, conspiracy theories and deranged accusations.
Followed by Bob Kerslake with a calm, clear, rational view of what's happened; in summary, a little unusual but no cause for concern.
The reason for johnson's departure was johnson's behaviour.
Move along - nothing to see here.
The faux righteous indignation was almost too much to endure. But I soldiered on in the pursuit of schadenfreude.
Sunak must be well chuffed
His NI protocol fix now completely ignored by more Johnson pyschodrama
Sunak was part of that government too
and the more mad nad & moggy wail about the injustice to Johnson the more daft & divided the tories look
^^ Wow, just shows the whole "I didn't know if it was a party or not" bs, was exactly that, utter bs.
He really is pond life.
The inquiry had been held up by a "reluctance" from Mr Johnson's government "to provide unredacted evidence". Some material "had been redacted even though it was already in the public domain," according to the report.
The unredacted disclosure of all relevant material was finally provided by Rishi Sunak's government on 18 November.
They actively tried to cover up the rule breaking up by withholding evidence and even trying to delete it... poorly by the sounds of it.
Channel 4 news absolutely ripping Johnson and Moggy apart. Wonderful stuff.
Johnson looked terrible, red eyed and none of his normal Latin bs.
Never seen Mogg so defensive and flustered.😁
They are reporting that since the committee report aired, support for Johnson has absolutely withered away from his MP's.
What a day.
Yeah arseholes obvs but they are still in charge of the country.
Nothing is going to change till we get a GE
Should be number 1 focus of everybody with a brain
^^ Couldn't agree more.
This had basically buried Johnson though. So, they will likely get mauled in the local elections in May but be unable to unseat Sunak. They will continue to rip themselves apart until the GE.
Seeing Boris on BBC news I couldn’t help just thinking why don’t you just **** off.
Forget all the shit that’s gone on, and all the investigations and everything else that’s linked to it.
Just **** off so we never have to see your face again , I’m sick of the sight of you.
Oh shit. Tories need a new distraction and this has popped up…
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64835605
^^ Lol, yeah, saw that but I just can't seeing them invading in time to be honest.
Oh shit. Tories need a new distraction and this has popped up…
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64835605/blockquote >
Won't somebody think of the penguins 😯
Saw mogg on C4 +1
I'm not sure how he thought he could get away with talking such nonsense
Even when he remembered to slip in one of ridiculously pompous preprepared catchphrases he seemed confused and unsure
They are reporting that since the committee report aired, support for Johnson has absolutely withered away from his MP’s.
Withered from a low starting point though - lots of Tory MPs loathe him and were only willing to entertain him as leader as they thought he could win.
The big question is whether any safe Tory constituency party will take him on now, if not he’s going to lose Uxbridge.
Possibly not the right thread but
**** hell
https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1631773605414551552?t=g52oR7jahgPg3-8mVskrWQ&s=19
Oh shit. Tories need a new distraction and this has popped up…
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64835605/blockquote >
Election year in Argentina. Politics is politics the world over.
Election year in Argentina. Politics is politics the world over.
Yup, but the Argentine government has legitimate reasons for expecting voters to ask what has been done about this.
https://www.un.org/dppa/decolonization/en/content/falkland-islands-malvinas
The Falkland Islands (Malvinas)* has been on the United Nations list of Non-Self-Governing Territories since 1946
Which is in sharp contrast to the claims made by the UK Foreign Secretary James Cleverly:
"Islanders have the right to decide their own future - they have chosen to remain a self-governing UK Overseas Territory."
The United Nations has been asking for decades for the UK to enter into meaningful talks concerning the decolonization of the Falklands, the UK has steadfastly refused.
The UN link above was updated less than a year ago, since coming to power the current Argentine government has nothing other than agree to "improve co-operation" with the UK. Whether they like it or not the current government can expect voters to ask why?
Obviously this has very little if anything to do with Johnson, perhaps it should have been posted on the Rishi Sunak thread as he is currently UK PM?
Maybe Riski will send a submarine to torpedo an Argentine destroyer? Do the Argentines have any destroyers?
Maybe the population of the Malvinas will suddenly want to be part of Argentina?
All things that no doubt keep Jeremy Corbyn awake at night, along with the Ukrainians invading Moscow
skip to 5mins if you just want to see Mogg squirming
One of the wonders of modern technology is that I was able go watch mogg be interviewed while having a poo.
It was very satisfying.
It's one of those "What we're you doing at the time you heard..." questions your children will ask you about. Thanks to the internet there's documentary evidence.
Making history...
Resist the urge to wipe your bum with Jacob cream crackers face.
skip to 5mins if you just want to see Mogg squirming
I like the way they manage to regularly pop up a subtitle: Jacob Rees-Mogg; Business Secretary Sept-Oct 2022
Maybe in future they could list it in days, hours, or even minutes
Was on a bus into town a few months ago and there was a group of young-ish pensioners chatting amongst themselves. Seemed like a bunch of newly retired folk, off to town for the day.
Anyway, they were talking about Jacob R-M and I thought initially it was a positive conversation and I was listening to a group of Leave voters. Then one finished with "must be the easiest job in the world this Minister for Brexit Opportunities. Go to work on Monday, find there are no opportunities at all and you've ****ed the whole country, go home for the rest of the week! ****!"
(The last word is the same as the one Danny Dyer used quite forcefully when describing David Cameron...)
I can't help thinking that the Mogg would suit a small mustache.
He could then march around civil servants screaming at them.
I can't help thinking the Hancock leaks are timed to divert attention from Partygate, not sure how the reporters allegiances play out.
And, God help me, from what little I've read of the leaks, for all the monumental **** ups by Hancock, they also seem to be pointing g the blame towards Sunak and the Treasury for some of the errors, like Eat Out to Help Out. My reading of Hamcocks text up there was he didn't want the scheme extending as it was pushing up numbers.
I guess the Tory headbanging would have sooner had cheap meals and a higher death toll, I'm possibly not the target audience.
some of the errors, like Eat Out to Help Out.
It did later become known as Eat Out to Spread It About...
So shock/horror, the fly tipped sofa has said he is quite concerned that Sue Gray is going to work for the Labour party.
To a man/woman the Conservatives recent comments have confirmed that they cannot conceive that someone would carry out their job conscientiously and diligently without favouring their own views. Even Simon Evans on the News Quiz demonstrated this attitude.
I both pity and despise them for their closed minds.
Conservatives recent comments have confirmed that they cannot conceive that someone would carry out their job conscientiously and diligently without favouring their own views
this was my initial reaction as well, very revealing.
Yes there's a lot of partisan inter-blukip civil war going on here
The covid deniers like Tice (oakshot) hate Hancock
Johnson will gladly pin the blame on anyone to save his own skin
Mogg, dories ect want revenge (on sunak) for Johnsons ousting & their humiliation over the NI deal
They all have their own outriders in the punditry/press
Every since Cameron settled the Conservatives European question once and for all, we've all been trapped in this endless psychodrama
Surely this is the end for Alexander de Pfeffel?
How can be allowed to carry on with the blatant lies?
This piece in the guardian confirms what we surely all knew about ‘details man’ Boris Johnson. His inherent laziness means he couldn’t even be bothered to study the science and as a result completely misunderstood it
Did Boris Johnson ‘follow the science’ on Covid? He couldn’t even do the maths
The more detail that comes out, the lazier and more reckless Johnson looks. No wonder he’s not cooperating with the inquiry. He knows what’s coming. It’s going to be absolutely damning! Number ten ‘piss ups’ are going to be the least of his worries
How can be allowed to carry on with the blatant lies?
Tories were quite happy to support those lies while he was winning an election for them. There's never been any consequences for him lying in the past - quite the opposite, it's been the source of his income in "opinion columns" (a thinly veiled way for newspapers to get around pesky rules about only printing facts by printing any amount of total shit or controversial points under the guise of "the opinions stated here are those of the columnist").
I honestly don't think he knows how to tell "the truth", he tells his version of what he wants the truth to be at that moment.
Edit: and as per that link from Binners above, a lot of the time he simply has no idea of what he's talking about so does that classic confidence trick of pretending to know all about it.
Problem is that he's like Farage. He'll keep popping his floppy coiffured head above the paprapet, keep avoiding any real consequences of his actions, keep pocketing cash from some wealthy donor. Unless there is a genuine scandal along the lines of Epstein, he'll carry on getting away with it, reappearing whenever there's a bit more grifting to be done. He's a grubby little parasite, hiding inside a suit of education and privilege.
Poor old fly tipped sofa,even his hair is abandoning him.
It may be time for a Trump style 'glued down'comb over 😆 🤣
Typo in Rawnsley's column - refers to '...slummy premiership' but clearly should refer to scummy premiership.
Untrucking believable - johnson nominates his father for knighthood in resignation honours; wtf has he done other than assault his ex-wife and sire an odious sack of shit?
Actually, only too believable; first - his brother, now his father. Shameless nepotism.
How I hope the resignation honours committee says...no 'king way;
wtf has he done
Well fathered Boris. Seems a fitting tribute from a grateful nation.
Leaving aside any alleged allegations of domestic violence or bad parenting,over his long career,there must be a list of highly commendable contributions that Mr Stanley Johnson has given to the United Kingdom.Please stop me if you think I'm being too generous. 😉
Watch 53 seconds in. It is clear that Stanley believes that genetics played an important role in his son's political success.
"Hair counts for a lot nowadays"..... not like back in the day when baldies could win elections.