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I did like that someone paid 120k for a dinner with Johnson, May and Cameron. Seems to be more a winner for most awkward set of dinner party guests than something to actually pay for.
I hope the winner likes a nice Chianti....
1 nuclear power station a year he used as defence.
I'll believe it when I see it
I did like that someone paid 120k for a dinner with Johnson, May and Cameron. Seems to be more a winner for most awkward set of dinner party guests than something to actually pay for.
Be worth every penny if you could sprinkle some Picolax all over their main courses!
Tiverton by-election will be the real test of whether Johnson's BS is sticking.
There's still a loyal base that lap up his anti ECHR/ anti immigration/ anti union policies & slavishly follow the daily mail's lead
If the tories hold it , will be seen as a vindication of his push to the far right
Tiverton by-election will be the real test of whether Johnson’s BS is sticking.
There's a decent chance the tories will hold both Tiverton and Wakefield.
Tiverton by-election will be the real test of whether Johnson’s BS is sticking.
Tommorrow isn't it for the by-elections?
Any idea when results from that and Wakefield will be announced?
There’s a decent chance the tories will hold both Tiverton and Wakefield.
I thought the Tories were miles behind in Wakefield? Tiverton 50/50 I guess.
Any idea when results from that and Wakefield will be announced?
Doubt they would be doing a desperate rush so some point Friday morning unless its a really tight race and some recounting is needed.
I did like that someone paid 120k for a dinner with Johnson, May and Cameron. Seems to be more a winner for most awkward set of dinner party guests than something to actually pay for.
It's the set up for a sequel to Murder on the Orient Express
I thought the Tories were miles behind in Wakefield?
“I can categorically say we are not 20 points ahead and we are fighting for every vote. The fact we have only won one byelection [rather than successfully defended a seat] in 25 years shows the scale of the task. It is not a foregone conclusion that we win,” said Louise Haigh, the shadow transport secretary, who is running Labour’s campaign.
Expectation management from Labour?
10pts would be more believable, but it could well still be much closer, polling from the red wall for Tories is bad ATM, so assumption is they won't win Wakefield.
Rwanda & ECHR policies will appeal to a certain demographic tho.
Tiverton is more critical for Tories it's been Tory for 30 years and they won by 20,000 votes last time
Wakefield as a recent Tory acquisition, they are less likely to be worried about (tho like many red wall seats it's been slowly switching from red to blue since the 80s)
Not convinced about Tiverton. Way took many people subscribe to the "he's doing his best" attitude and they're the ones that vote.
Way took many people subscribe to the “he’s doing his best” attitude and they’re the ones that vote.
Oh, he is doing his best!
Unfortunately, his best is way below par for the bits that are needed and far too good for the bits that involve corruption, lying, prevarication and apportioning blame.
Unfortunately, his best is way below par for the bits that are needed
I do find it an odd defence especially since tory supporters are often fond of going on about meritocracy and "prizes for taking part" and so on.
I could do my best racing at the downhill championships but the team employing me would still be in last place and should be looking for a replacement asap.
Expectation management from Labour?
Possibly but we’re not allowed to discuss that here. 🙂
Maybe, just maybe, there have been enough recent scandals to get the youngsters out in force and vote anti-Boris.
Expectation management from Labour?
If you allow people to believe you're 20 points ahead, your vote will potentially not turn out. Of course, it might mean the other side's vote also goes down the pub, but complacency is risky.
This is funny tho
https://twitter.com/timfarron/status/1539630537668804609?t=GME41qdUj4UUXUAqT7F9eQ&s=19
Are the power stations coming before or after all the new hospitals?
Listening to several different pieces about the economy today on the radio and not once was Brexit mentioned.
I'd forgotten about this one
He was also lobbying for a Russian banker!
Another SW by-election coming?
https://twitter.com/paullewismoney/status/1539719438055899136?t=ArXD2yyYloKUEQRk4XaawA&s=19
Are the power stations coming before or after all the new hospitals?
They are going to be combined into the same buildings.
Brexit efficiencies see!
Another SW by-election coming?
If he chooses not to resign then unless he is found guilty of something fairly serious resulting in jailtime then I dont think a lot can be done.
Any early indicators how these by elections are going?
Dunno. Are we even allowed to talk about them here?
Hugh fearnley-whittingstall has tactically voted lib Dem so based on my analysis they will win the posh one.
Are we even allowed to talk about them here?
Well so not to upset a couple of people how about a compromise - talk about them but just don't mention the leader of the Labour Party's name?
Are we even allowed to talk about them here?
Sort of conventional (and legal) that there is no party political election coverage during polling days.
So probably best to take a hint from the main stream media and hold off any comments on election performance until the polls close this evening.
Wakey is a Labour shoe-in given what's happened recently
Tiverton is a close call but with an aging population and a pension increase/bribe imminent, the Tories might just hold on
Tiverton is a close call but with an aging population and a pension increase/bribe imminent, the Tories might just hold on
Yeah, wouldn't be surprised, disappointed, but not surprised
I hadn't paid much attention until this morning but now I have ;looked I'm really surprised by the number of candidates in the Tiverton by -8!
I couldn't give a monkeys about UKIP splitting the vote but what are Labour/LD/Greens doing?
I couldn’t give a monkeys about UKIP splitting the vote but what are Labour/LD/Greens doing?
Theres a kind of unofficial agreement between labour and the lib dems where they're fielding candidates for appearances, but labour aren't actively campaigning in Tiverton and the Lib Dems aren't in Wakefield
Don't know about the Greens.
Well in the SW Moggy could be losing his seat
Results in Tiverton might give some indication how likely that really is
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1539889416965132289?t=t54V_-MLraSEkfNvSKS90A&s=19
First I've heard of that "Conservative celtic fringe". Looking at the map, not very fringe-ey, or celtic.
Bless my soul! I never knew old Moggy was from just south of Brizzle! Shows what I know, I always thought he was a silver-spoon-up-the-arse from Eton way, just how wrong can a man be.
Looking at the map, not very fringe-ey, or celtic.
It seems to be a recent invention and a bit of a stretch. I think the media wanted something similar to the old red wall and that was their best name
I think just calling it the SW is more informative!
Whats depressing is that thanks to fptp, despite getting ~40% of the vote there, they get ~80% of the seats!
Front page of BBC news has nothing about the elections on. Nothing.
Quite astounding.
standard fayre i think when its a election day
The polls haven't closed yet, what is there to report on the front page? Not even the turnout is known yet.
Polls don’t close ‘till 10pm. See andrewreay’s post.
Front page of BBC news has nothing about the elections on. Nothing.
Quite astounding.
It could be a deep state conspiracy bollocks
Or
They could be following the ofcom code that prohibits them reporting on it while voting is ongoing. E.g. so you can't report something to manipulate the behavior of people yet to vote.
They are not allowed to show polls or predictions till the voting is over
It's there if you search.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61898785
But why not on the front page?
But why not on the front page?
Because the people who look at the website aren't searching for it and driving it up the priority list
People are searching about an Afghan earthquake? A 1cm long bacteria. Yeah, sure.
Have you actually read your link :
"The weather has been warm and sunny in Wakefield, while there has been sunshine and showers in Honiton and Tiverton."
Is that really front page material?
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It does seem more subdued reporting than normal. No hanging around polling stations taking pictures of dogs and so on.
Rather than conspiracy though I suspect its more plenty of stuff going on and the cost of popping down to either constituency is rather high especially without trains.
deleted – don’t want to get involved
Shame the current crop of tories don’t take the same philosophy
I mean...
https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1540041226832969728?t=kAa4ACCtCAcp35nfcz45Zg&s=19
Also
https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1539924893105537024?t=pb5VQeXNcOKDfg9wxum1DQ&s=19
!!!!
Yeah there's a big difference between a poll giving Labour a 2% lead and one giving them an 11% lead.
I'm not sure why such a difference when both were carried out about the same time. I believe that disaffected Tory voters were creating issues for pollsters by not revealing who they would vote for instead.
I would be suspicious of methodology of the 11% Labour lead one as there has only been one other poll in the last couple of months which put Labour on a double digit lead, and that one was also by Savanta and it was also 11%
The nicotine-stained man-frog is presently on Newscast saying that he’s ‘mobilising’ to get the UK out of the ECHR
Fair play to Victoria Derbyshire for calling out his bullshit
He’s worried that Boris wasn’t committed to Brexit and was only using it as a piece of political opportunism
Surely not?
Pot kettle
From the Beeb:
The Liberal Democrats believe they have won the by-election in Devon.
Blimey, let's hope so!👍
Worth staying up for and now feeling like crap. Well done Labour, fantastic job Lib Dems! Particularly nice to see that smug Tory candidate for the Devon seat get wiped aside!😆
There is hope.😁 If tactical voting/ unofficial "coalitions" are what it takes, count me in.
Boris, enough, how sod off and take your conservative party UKIP Party with you.
Boris, enough, how sod off and take your [s]conservative party[/s] UKIP Party with you.
Annoyingly, he's safe for the moment. The backbenchers might start plotting a bit, especially with him out of the country for a week (strategically hiding...) but the VONC stuff is safe cos he won the last one and short of a change in the rules, they can't hold another VONC for a year.
But it does put a lot of pressure on him. See what BS and blister he comes up with this time.
Delivering on Brexit, best employment ever yadda yadda whiff whaff....
Well.....that's cheered me right up
Jacob Rees Mogg's North East Somerset seat is one of the four 'at high risk' seats
As has this. The sooner this ****ing clown is shown the door, the better. I really can't understand why on earth anyone would vote for him to represent them
Well. That’s the first good news we’ve had for quite some time. Like a pair of sweetcorn kernels in the steaming bucket of shit that uk politics really is.
Oliver Dowden has quit as apparently "someone must take responsibility". Or has been told to.
Surely this must be the end?
I’ve been saying that since Donald Trump mocked the disabled reporter. And two impeachments and partygate and Jennifer Arcuri, and and and. But I keep being surprised so I have no faith that he’ll go.
Still, this is a good day for sanity.
Fewer Tory perverts on a Friday clears the morning air.
They do seem to fall like this.
The Tory candidate in Tiverton did seem particularly awful which probably didn't help. The q&a I saw with her looked like a comediene parodying thick grasping tory of the worst kind, a sort of younger Nad type of thing.
Haven't seen the turn out figures, need to see how many Tory voters actually voted against and how many just didn't turn out.
Shows how effective unofficial pacts can be, of course.
Turnout was down 24 to 40% in Wakefield &
52%, down 20 in Tiverton
So pretty standard for a by election but makes it difficult to really judge what it means
Interestingly the pollsters & pundits got the Wakefield results pretty accurate, but everyone understimated how bad it was for Tories in Tiverton
Especially if you consider that the MP there was 'only' looking at porn V compared to ex wakeyMP
But it does put a lot of pressure on him. See what BS and blister he comes up with this time.
Delivering on Brexit, best employment ever yadda yadda whiff whaff….
You'd hope it shows that lurching to the right on Rwanda, ECHR etc isn't working and that he needs to ditch them, instead I reckon he'll double down
52% turnout for a by-election is notable but a 30% swing is exceptional, party chairman resigning is priceless. They really didn’t want the conservatives and came out to make sure. And more than 50% of votes cast for the LDs. Must read well for a general election. The south west returning to its liberal roots.
Results
Richard Foord (LD) 22,537 (52.91%, +38.14%)
Helen Hurford (Con) 16,393 (38.49%, -21.72%)
Liz Pole (Lab) 1,562 (3.67%, -15.88%)
Gill Westcott (Green) 1,064 (2.50%, -1.34%)LD maj 6,144 (14.43%)
29.93% swing Con to LD
Electorate 81,661; Turnout 42,591 (52.16%)
2019 Con maj 24,239
That is a pretty awful result for the Lib Dems. I just watched Helen Hurford defending Boris, just dreadful, dreadful - how was there *anyone* who voted for her?
Incredibly satisfying news this morning!
instead I reckon he’ll double down
Yup
We could probably have a little desperation policy bingo in fact. Bring back pounds, shillings and pence perhaps?
Apparently Dowden was due on the the morning media rounds but no minister stepping up to replace him
We could probably have a little desperation policy bingo in fact. Bring back pounds, shillings and pence perhaps?
Only if he can privatise the Mint and let some 'suitable' chaps run it...
That is a pretty awful result for the Lib Dems.
It is?
Dowden ran off with the day's brief. leaving Raab to write his own.
the tories have nailed their flag to the johnson mast and going to go down with all hands
Notable that dowden said ‘someone’ must take responsibility now he’s jacked is he that someone? letting bojo off the hook yet again overall a good result😁
Has Carrie got the tory chairperson job yet?
We won’t see her in public for a while. She’ll be in the fridge, hiding away.
A swing to the Libdems in a by-election is a warning, not an outright rejection.
The Wakefield result is a win for Labour, but not a landslide, Boris is very obviously damaging the Tories, but if he were to go tomorrow, I reckon their odds would still improve at the next GE...