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The door is always open to come and make some comments about how great he is.
That would mean interacting with people who don't necessarily share the same opinions.
One of the central characteristics of "centrists" is extreme intolerance of dissenting political opinions, whether it's expelling people from the Labour Party or policing the political threads.
You will not see one Tory supporter post on this thread, well certainly not openly. The idea that no one on stw votes Tory is ridiculous, and if it were even true it would be a damning indictment - millions vote Tory, some of them ride bikes.
But the "liberals" have created a toxic and hostile environment which will not tolerate political dissent. Not even neutral comments with regards to Johnson are tolerated, to fit in and meet with approval every comment must show that you hate Johnson with every bone in your body.
Even mefty who was the last to express opinions from a Tory supporter perspective appears to have finally given up. And this place is all the more poorer for it. I always found his contributions both interesting and useful, however strongly I might have disagreed with them.
It at least provided a point to the discussions, rather than just all agreeing how much everyone agrees that the Tories are Tories.
Toxicity all round.
I am surprised that no one else picked up on Johnsons sinuses. It obvious he is often off his tits on cokeamd chronic sinusitis is the result
So much drug effected behaviour ignored when its posh or rich folk
Wrong thread
My dad has bad sinuses and he's never touched cocaine. He looks a bit like Bojo aswell 🤣 not the hair obvz
One of the central characteristics of “centrists” is extreme intolerance of dissenting political opinions
Are you for real????
No no it was just a teenage dalliance
...
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-boris-johnson-finally-admits-16517649
Lots of rumours about it when he was mayor, mates that worked in the city at the time thought he was a bit of legend 🙄
I'd kind of assumed he'd grown out of it by now
He is a known coke head and displays all the behaviours of one
But the “liberals” have created a toxic and hostile environment which will not tolerate political dissent. Not even neutral comments with regards to Johnson are tolerated, to fit in and meet with approval every comment must show that you hate Johnson with every bone in your body.
What arrant tosh Ernie. We're playing the same game as those well know tolerant people Therese May (architect of the hostile environment) and Priti Patel our current beacon of caring conservatism plus that spice Michael Green/Grant Shaps (whatever his name is today). We play the team we have before us and anyone supporting them would rightly be decried for being another heartless bastard. There appears to be not a scintilla of humanity in any of the government front bench is it any wonder those of us that care for our fellow countrymen/women have no time for them or their supporters. When even Chris Patten and Ken Clarke can see no redeeming features in the current bunch would anyone stick their head up and say "well they appear ok"?
Are you for real????
I’m not entirely convinced but welcome to Ernie’s world anyway. He shares it with 4 other people. They’ll be along shortly because nobody takes them on any more on the Starmer thread any more, so they’ve colonised this one instead now, just so they can remind everyone else how wrong they are.
the nice Mr Johnson is going to reward him for dropping the Carriegate story by popping him into the House of Lords.
It was the times who dropped the story.
The mail on sunday did reference it, I think, in its serialisation of Ashcrofts book about Carrie Johnson which remains in place.
Johnson does owe him plenty of favours but not for that.
I imagine there’s a dossier somewhere of Johnson stories that have never seen the light of day.
What we know about his shenanigans is just the tip of the iceberg
Would anyone be remotely surprised if there was a ‘Jimmy Saville’ moment in ten years time where it all comes flooding out and everyone who isn’t a credulous halfwit has to pretend to look surprised?
What arrant tosh Ernie.
If so explain where the Tory supporters are on this thread, or any other political thread. There used to be significant contributions from Tory supporters on stw, if a hostile, intolerant, and toxic environment, isn't what stopped them posting what did?
But fair play to you for admitting to being no less intolerant than senior Tory politicians are, at least you are honest.
I’m not entirely convinced but welcome to Ernie’s world anyway.
You appear to hate the left as much as you hate the Tories binners. Not entirely surprising I guess as both have one thing in common - the unforgivable crime of having different opinions to yours. If there is one thing that you appear unable to tolerate is people with different opinions to yours.
Which makes them risk a caps on post with personal insults and a generous amount of thinly veiled sweary words from you.
Ernie - you could run an experiment by not contributing to this thread and the Starmer thread for a few days and see if it continues the way you think it will.
anyone know what the bookies are offering for Carrie to get the Ethics advisor role ?
I had assumed that the STW Tories had gone quiet because they can no longer defend the indefensible. Certainly the conservative voters I know wouldn't even attempt to defend this shower, the only question is wether they will still vote conservative at the next election?
Unfortunately ernie, as this administration lurches further towards fascism it is your beloved working classes that are taking the bait.
The traditional conservative values of fiscal responsibility and moral fortitude are anathema to the current Tory party and Labour has now become completely decoupled from the working classes, a job the Thatcher began successfully in Essex.
It's only those on the extremes that even know what they are voting for.
The whole thing is going to come crumbling down soon and a new political landscape will emerge. The best we can hope for is a naked alliance between all the on Tory parties to achieve a non right wing coalition. Sorry to be so non ideological but democracy is at stake here.
If such a a successful alliance can be achieved then I can see the Tory party turning into a UK version of the Front National in France. If not, they win and Britain as we knew it will be a thing of the past.
Would anyone be remotely surprised if there was a ‘Jimmy Saville’ moment in ten years time where it all comes flooding out and everyone who isn’t a credulous halfwit has to pretend to look surprised?
This appears out of order. Johnson is utterly loathsome, but ‘Jimmy Saville’ insinuations are unhelpful imho
Lots of rumours about it when he was mayor, mates that worked in the city at the time thought he was a bit of legend 🙄
I’d kind of assumed he’d grown out of it by now
Rumours in Tory HQ at Easter that there were pics of him doing coke in No 10.
and see if it continues the way you think it will.
Eh? I haven't said anything suggesting how I think the thread will continue. I made the point concerning the level of political intolerance that is evident on here.
I specifically referred to the lack of contributions from Tory/Johnson supporters.
There was one person about a year ago who posted something along the lines of "I quite like Boris" on this thread, you can imagine the reaction, they obviously never posted again. I would like to think that I can have a civilised discussion with someone who supports the Tories, as long as they are respectful. Can you imagine a "liberal" like binners being able to do that on here?
The irony is that centrists claim that Tory supporters should be engaged on their terms and not frightened away. And yet on here centrists show zero tolerance towards Tory supporters.
You will not see one Tory supporter post on this thread, well certainly not openly. The idea that no one on stw votes Tory is ridiculous, and if it were even true it would be a damning indictment
How do you know that? The political views of your average traditional Tory does extend to defending the indefensible. Unless you haven't noticed that's why they are reduced to wheeling out the usual list of fourth raters to defend the latest lie/corruption/stunt.....
Just go to your local pub. It doesn't take many social skills to work out distain for Boris Johnson doesn't define your political views, just an instinct to spot a wrongun
"There was one person about a year ago who posted something along the lines of “I quite like Boris” on this thread, you can imagine the reaction, they obviously never posted again. I would like to think that I can have a civilised discussion with someone who supports the Tories, as long as they are respectful. Can you imagine a “liberal” like binners being able to do that on here? "
Try being a remainer on a motorbike forum. See how that goes.
The political views of your average traditional Tory does extend to defending the indefensible
I can guarantee that plenty of Tory supporters feel totally able to defend what you, and me, consider to be indefensible.
It used to happen regularly on here a few years ago. Or do you think that issues such as austerity were somehow more "defensible"?
Meanwhile Dominic Raab just issued a statement that they intend to overturn Human Rights legislation tomorrow to take us out of the ECHR.
Do you want to find someone to defend that one then, comrade?
Maybe have a crack yourself?
In the interests of balance…
Fascism needs defending too, after all
binners
Full Member
Meanwhile Dominic Raab just issued a statement that they intend to overturn Human Rights legislation tomorrow to take us out of the ECHR.Do you want to find someone to defend that one then, comrade?
Putin. Putin would have a go I reckon.👍
In the interests of balance…
It has nothing to do with balance. I am pointing out your extreme intolerance of political opinions other than those which very closely match yours.
It doesn't matter if it is a right-wing or left-wing opinion, if it disagrees with yours you get into a raging rant and hurl personal insults.
Or are you seriously going to claim to be tolerant and open-minded about other people's political views?
I can so imagine that famous night when you went into one in the Rose and Crown in Ramsbottom, and you later banned yourself from there, as you have from the Starmer thread. The stunned silence afterwards which you described must have been palpable as they thought "what the actual ****".
Still, better to dwell in an echo chamber where everyone agrees with you than to try to win people over, eh?
maybe it would be best to ignore posts by ernie, kelvin and the others in the small crew of persistent posters who delight in their little echo chambers as they have become tiresome in the extreme - retreading old posts but...why?
I pay a full digital and print subscription for a magazine I don't read because I believe in supporting small businesses.
So much of the verbiage posted on the political threads is from 'free members'; I've commented before and my views haven't changed - free loaders persistently shooting their mouths off on a forum which they don't support financially should be ignored.
A 'free member' posting occasionally is OK by me; if you have lots to say, make a financial contribution.
Rumours in Tory HQ at Easter that there were pics of him doing coke in No 10.
And? Cocaine use is widespread in the UK, especially at higher levels in politics and business. Why is that a major surprise? Same goes for booze. Drug taking in politics and wider society is endemic. If there’s anything to be outraged about Johnson’s (and everyone else’s) drug use it’s the hypocrisy of supporting prohibition despite their own habitual use.
And? Cocaine use is widespread in the UK, especially at higher levels in politics and business.
Oh, that's ok then. The prime minister can do whatever he wants as long as lots of other people are also doing it.
I mean, it's not like his position comes with any sort of responsibility or indeed obligation to, y'know, lead by example.
I pay a full digital and print subscription for a magazine I don’t read because I believe in supporting small businesses.
So much of the verbiage posted on the political threads is from ‘free members’; I’ve commented before and my views haven’t changed – free loaders persistently shooting their mouths off on a forum which they don’t support financially should be ignored
They support them financially through ads - free members endure adverts - that's the deal on the table.
I was a premium subscriber for 10years but had so many issues with the website it started to be a waste of money. The money itself is not really an issue for me.
You are suggesting that just because you don't like what's being said then you have to pay for that privilege?
I'm seeing more examples of random ways of trying to cull opinions by posters - it's frankly bizarre and tells you a lot about the state of politics that people can't deal with it.
And? Cocaine use is widespread in the UK, especially at higher levels in politics and business. Why is that a major surprise? Same goes for booze.
It's about the law, really
You will not see one Tory supporter post on this thread
There used to be significant contributions from Tory supporters on stw
It used to happen regularly on here a few years ago
Constantly saying the same thing over and over again, while simultaneously complaining that binners constantly derails threads with the same gifs and monty python jokes...
There's a word for that.
And while the same 5 posters completely derail another thread by reducing it to their favourite subject… talking about themselves again, this is happening today…
https://twitter.com/business/status/1539425205378064384?s=21&t=BPeURlyil6kJlQV75SRaCQ
Anything to actually say about the topic of Boris and co at all, or shall we just all keep on talking about you and occasionally Keir Starmer?
Boris and co, - remember… the one who this thread is meant to be about - in a fit of pique at not being allowed to do whatever the **** they like, are about to start tearing up our human rights.
They want to pick and choose which rights we should, or shouldn’t, be entitled too. And they’ve tasked these hugely important decisions to Dominic Raab. The Patrick Bateman of UK politics. A man who constantly looks like he’s just murdered a prostitute with a hammer while listening to Phl Collins
Anything to actually say about the topic of Boris and co at all, or shall we just all keep on talking about you and occasionally Keir Starmer?
I responded to your 'anything to say about the rail strike query - in this thread.'
Yeah I will keep on talking about Starmer when he doesn't kick back hard enough against Johnson.
Otherwise this is just a newsfeed without context of constant Tory suprise.
Boris and Co now? You expanded it.
In fact where is Starmer? Seems like Mick Lynch is doing his job.
Has the fingerprints of lynton Crosby all over it
In fact where is Starmer?
Why not go and visit the thread thats specifically about that subject and ask there?Just a thought?
Why not go and visit the thread thats specifically about that subject and ask there?
Just a thought?
Thought you might know? And you're in this thread and not in the other.
There you go then.
Glad to be of assistance
Have a nice day
Yeah I will keep on talking about Starmer when he doesn’t kick back hard enough
So while pretty much everyone with half a mind on politics has realised that Starmer's largely ineffectual, you want you keep talking about him, but while Johnson breaks everything within reach in a desperate attempt to remain in power you're not really bothered as it "Just the the Tories"
Sunak says he's using all the tools to help bring down inflation this morning.
Ah okay.
Up 0.1% from April - May to 9.1
He has no tools - the BoE have no tools. They are tools.
And? Cocaine use is widespread in the UK, especially at higher levels in politics and business.
And now we're completely through the looking glass as one of the resident lefties actually appears to defend Johnson!!!!!!!
The toxic intolerance on here that drives the political debate emanates from the same for 4 or 5 freloading (free members), that's why anyone right of Marx doesn't like posting, and the continued insistence that anyone not fully in favour of the glorious revolution is a hateful human being. You 5 need to take a long hard look at yourselves and understand the impact of your contributions.
It's blindingly obvious that the RW press & Johnson want to try & pin it on starmer & labour
Meanwhile inflation is at a record high, gas prices are going to be punishingly expensive this winter and Johnson has managed to stir up hatred of assylum seekers to keep the base onside
So while pretty much everyone with half a mind on politics has realised that Starmer’s largely ineffectual, you want you keep talking about him, but while Johnson breaks everything within reach in a desperate attempt to remain in power you’re not really bothered as it “Just the the Tories”
Taken as a whole rather than each particular post I've done my fair share of hating Tories.
The only route to success is a strong opposition. And asking why the people that represent you aren't pushing back hard enough against the Tories is entirely relevent and probably represents about 2% of this entire thread.
If Binners had not thrown a pathetic wobbly about my Brexity-Starmer-aping Tory FOM article (entirely in context as it's Tory like behaviour) then we wouldn't be here now.
If Tory behaviour is so bad then let's not let the opposition get away with it letting it happen just because there's a thread for hiding it away.
Boris and co, – remember… the one who this thread is meant to be about – in a fit of pique at not being allowed to do whatever the **** they like
Aside from its clearly not a fit of pique but a long standing policy in the right of the tory party and a convenient bone to toss to them from time to time.
The more concerning question is if they get rid of it then what do they have as the new enemy.
The toxic intolerance on here that drives the political debate emanates from the same for 4 or 5 freloading (free members), that’s why anyone right of Marx doesn’t like posting, and the continued insistence that anyone not fully in favour of the glorious revolution is a hateful human being. You 5 need to take a long hard look at yourselves and understand the impact of your contributions.
A thread built on the hate of Johnson is not Toxic perhaps for Tory supporters?
Toxic is wielded out by people who don't like the contents of particular threads.
I've only ever had one personal attack - once by Binners - and I really didn't care.
Not enough for me in any way shape or form to call him toxic. Politics is heated. Fine by me.
I mostly enjoy all the contributions on here.
The more concerning question is if they get rid of it then what do they have as the new enemy.
Thats fairly obvious... the unions (again)
I don't know if you're watching Sherwood on BBC1 at the moment? (its absolutely brilliant BTW). It's set today but references the miners strike constantly. It's scary how what we're seeing at present mirrors it almost exactly. The Tory government actively wanted the miners strike. They wanted a 'war' with 'the enemy within'.
The same today with this mob, who are after all a low-rent, threadbare Thatcher tribute act. They actively want to start a war through the summer with the unions as part of their casually destructive divide-and-rule philosophy
Signed up again as a paid member. I'm paying to hate Johnson.
Feel empowered now.
Must watch Sherwood, just up road from me.
The Tory government actively wanted the miners strike. They wanted a ‘war’ with ‘the enemy within’.
Documented by your mate - Seumas Milne in his book - the enemy within.
I don't need a London-based, millionaire, Stalin-apologist to document it for me thanks. I'm old enough to have seen it first-hand. I went past Parkside colliery twice a day on my journey too and from school at the height of the miners strike. I had plenty of mates who's dads were striking miners
I see the tories have promised to give us pensioners a double digit increase to help with inflation. Useful timing with elections just round the corner.
Watching Tory Justice minister Victoria Atkins jumping through hoops on Newsnight last night, trying to justify that a 10% rise in pensions wouldn't be inflationary, whereas below inflation pay rises for workers would be, did illustrate the nonsensical nature of 'policy' (such as it is)
Schrödinger's inflation?
I mean, it’s not like his position comes with any sort of responsibility or indeed obligation to, y’know, lead by example.
350 pages of 'debate' summed up in a sentence
Another day another Law change, this time by Raab legalising the UK Courts as the only authority on Human Rights the UK recognises… to allow the Rwanda policy to continue.
Now that they’ve discovered they can change laws to suit themselves we really are in a banana republic.
while simultaneously complaining that binners constantly derails threads with the same gifs and monty python jokes…
Not me mate, you are confusing me with somewhere else - l love binners hilarious stills from Monty Python. I have repeatedly said that I find reading stuff without pictures boring.
Did you see the picture of "ernie and the 3 quid trots" on the previous page? Oh how I laughed. I have told binners previously how much it makes me feel special, I like to think that's why he feels the need to post it endlessly.
Besides, posting stuff like that and the same few stills from Monty Python is a good indication that he's run out of things to say. It's hardly boosts his arguments does it?
The whole inflationary debate via income is a Tory stunt (especially given the fact that both public and private sector pay is hugely suppressed.) People think inflation is always caused by too much money which avoids the facts that historically strong examples of inflation and hyperinflation are driven by the supply-side.
We can't on the one had observe a shrinking economy and then say there's too much money buying things.
It's ridiculous.
(And then on the other hand Steve Barclay asking for less restrictions on pay for the financial lot. )
Raab on Radio4 now…
“we’ve got to stop making the problem worse” … and straight onto wages … the problem isn’t wages
Asked about why pensions can rise but not wages… I couldn’t discern an actual answer… just lots of blather about how “fundamentally strong” the economy is.
On ECHR… is saying the problem is that national politicians don’t have the ultimate say when it comes to human rights… which of course is the whole reason we set it up the way we did in the 20th Century.
Another day another Law change, this time by Raab legalising the UK Courts as the only authority on Human Rights the UK recognises… to allow the Rwanda policy to continue.
Now that they’ve discovered they can change laws to suit themselves we really are in a banana republic.
I'm going to put a bet on their next move.
Having made the UK Supreme Court the final arbiter of all legal judgements, not the ECHR, they will then seek to do away with the independent commission which appoints the judges to the supreme court and make the appointments political instead, US style.
“we’ve got to stop making the problem worse” … and straight onto wages … the problem isn’t wages
Imagine vilifying the train drivers for having the temerity to request a 2% pay cut in real terms. Interesting that Simon Clark MP was specifically ruling out 'double digit' pay increases a couple of days ago. That, to me, suggests that they will cave to the unions in some regard and then blame them for inflation from here onwards.
PS Compare and contrast the useless inarticulate bumbling **** we have as PM with Mick Lynch. It is time to do away with the niceties of trying to have a good faith debate against these dissembling arseholes.
https://twitter.com/mattzarb/status/1539296797520175104
I still see no discussion on what the abolition of human rights in engalnd means for the devolved parliaments. In scotaland the declaration of human rights is embedded deeply in scots law and cannot be changed without holyrood consent
Thus the full range of human rights and remedies will still be available in scotland ( and I think Wales and NI)
TJ - as with most things they do, they're opening a can of worms who's consequences they haven't even begun to properly consider.
What is obvious is that they are increasingly behaving like a totalitarian regime and trying to steamroller through legislation which will do away with human rights fought for over centuries, even if that contravenes international law
I can't see them being any more respectful of the devolved governments than they are of the European courts. They've already made it clear they want to 'return' a lot of the devolved powers to Westminster
They are constitutional vandals here who just want to smash everything up and remake it in the narrow interests of a small section of society
They want to pick and choose which rights we should, or shouldn’t, be entitled too.
"Which human rights do YOU want to lose?"
Should be asked by any journalist talking to any politician every time one of them supports changes/removal of human rights.
Asked about why pensions can rise but not wages… I couldn’t discern an actual answer… just lots of blather about how “fundamentally strong” the economy is.
Last night the ex-Pension Minister Altman was getting herself in a similar cul-de-sac on LBC - simultaneously arguing that upping the State Pension wouldn't impact inflation but paying the same percentage to public sector employees would.
Under the proposal the UK will remain a signatory to the European convention on human rights but the Human Rights Act will be abolished and replaced with a Bill of Rights.
I think human rights legislation is a nightmare at the best of times and this proposal will complicate matters even more and also result in the inevitable unintended consequences.
Plus of course the intended but not declared consequences.
The leader of the opposition would ideally need to be some sort of lawyer to challenge the government and spell out clearly to voters the likely consequences.
A ‘free member’ posting occasionally is OK by me; if you have lots to say, make a financial contribution.
No thanks, will stay as I am and just put up with the adverts. If stuff on the internet is not 'free' (ad based revenue) I don't tend to use it as it is not worth spending money on.
I did used to buy the magazine in the old days but buying magazines is in the quaint category nowadays.
mentalists
Sunak says he’s using all the tools to help bring down inflation this morning.
Ah okay.
Up 0.1% from April – May to 9.1
He has no tools – the BoE have no tools. They are tools.
Please stop derailing this thread with comments about Rishi Sunak.
In a related topic - the BBC went full Russia TV this morning. A good 30 mins of public service messages from the Government of Rwanda about what a good place they are to invest. I had to check I was actually awake! Not lost in some dystopian Black Mirror nightmare.
My on-topic post for the day..
Boris. What a c***!
Please stop derailing this thread with comments about Rishi Sunak.
Ah apologies. Thought he was in some way an extension of Johnson's pet calculater.
Just to be clear this is a thread about Boris Johnson and nothing at all related to Boris Johnson?
I prefer the term 'thunder c***'
Johnson really is nothing more than a confused honey monster blond free-market disaster capitalist fool, creating an environment where the LOTO is too scared to comment about how bad he his.
Ah apologies. Thought he was in some way an extension of Johnson’s pet calculater.
Just to be clear this is a thread about Boris Johnson and nothing at all related to Boris Johnson?
You know perfectly well that the self-appointed censors have spoken. Any more from you and I'll start recycling ancient memes.
😂
I had a fantastic mtb commute this morning mainly filling my thoughts of how bad Johnson is.
Then I started wondering how we could stop him with opposing progressive politics and I told myself to shut up and compartmentalise my thoughts.
So I decided to just carry on letting Johnson and the Tories win.
Fantastic!
Congratulations to the usual suspects in reducing another thread to the 5 of you having your own little circle-jerk
Which one of you ended up with the soggy biscuit?
Byline times below have a good write up of the “Purchase a tame Tory summer auction”
You know perfectly well that the self-appointed censors have spoken. Any more from you and I’ll start recycling ancient memes.
Congratulations to the usual suspects in reducing another thread to the 5 of you having your own little circle-jerk
You could all just ignore it, rather than winding each other up. Surely dancing round the edges of the rules eventually deserves a ban?
Well I'm going to keep talking about anything relevent and connected to Boris Johnson on a Boris Johnson thread - doesn't seem unreasonable to me.
Starmer wasn't actually so bad for 30s in PMQs today against Johnson.
Johnson was full of mouth shit again.
I look forward to the by-election stuff tomorrow.
Fantastic!
Congratulations to the usual suspects in reducing another thread to the 5 of you having your own little circle-jerk
Which one of you ended up with the soggy biscuit?
The thread is supposed to be about Boris Johnson, so please avoid going OT, there's a good chap.
S****** actually had Johnson on the ropes today. Good choice to link rail strikes, cost of living and increasing bankers pay. The tories are either very confident nothing is sticking or they're getting cocky as banker's bonuses is a toxic issue for them. That or Johnson has a few debts he can't avoid paying off.
Starmer wasn’t actually so bad for 30s in PMQs today against Johnson.
I warned you about mentioning St*rmer in this thread. Have an old meme.
Lol.
It only requires a few hits from S****** and a display of heavy weight passion and this Johnson bag would take a good downgrade.
I warned you about mentioning St*rmer in this thread. Have an old meme.
Pmsl. The speed.
I was hoping for a hammer and sickle.
The tories are either very confident nothing is sticking or they’re getting cocky as banker’s bonuses is a toxic issue for them.
Its an odd one for Johnson to throw out right now unless he was hoping it wouldnt be noticed. I assume some mp promised support in return for it or alternately it was an unofficial auction item on monday night "pay x and get a law".
I did like that someone paid 120k for a dinner with Johnson, May and Cameron. Seems to be more a winner for most awkward set of dinner party guests than something to actually pay for.