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Oh grow up binners
I think it's the little sixth form gang that need to grow up
If we want to discuss Starmer, Blair/Corbyn with you and your 4 little mates, we'll go on the Starmer thread. The one everyone avoids and just you five contribute too
This one is meant to be about Boris Johnson and the actions of the government.
I'm trying to discuss what is relevent today in the rail strikes, you lot are banging on about Tony Blair again 🙄
Time to chill...
Laid back.
The only person mentioning Starmer is you binners.
And btw this:
representative of the rail operators is on Five Live at the moment, pointing out that they haven’t asked for a relaxation of the laws about agency workers and would not want to do that even if the government did change the law.
He’s pointed out that it would just poison relations, simply dragging out the dispute which will inevitably need a negotiated settlement, it simply won’t work and on a practical level; where on earth do the government think all these trained rail workers are going to suddenly materialise from
He’s saying that he government hasn’t even consulted the rail industry, aren’t interested what they want anyway and they’re just going ahead and doing it because they want to start a fight with the unions for political reasons, so they can water down workers rights across the board. Overall they think it will be counterproductive and the rail operators have no intention of using agency workers
And that is coming from a
Should be in the thread dedicated to the rail strike.
It seems to me that you want to post your rants wherever you want and shut down anyone who disagrees.
See this is the bit you can’t your head around, under normal politically situations if you want to beat the Tory you need to be left of the Tory, but that doesn’t mean left, could be centrist or even right of center. That’s where the country generally is,
I'm not buying this line. Otherwise Starmer being the alternative would be pulling ahead wouldn't he. As it stands Johnson is still popular.
The country vote where the establishment leads them.
And you explain to me how do we enact change by just blindly following the right's policies?
The only person mentioning Starmer is you.
Rone posted the same Starmer focused stuff in both threads... and we haven't escaped since.
They apologised at first... so fair dos...
Oh, apologies I couldn’t work out whether this goes in the Tory/Johnson thread or the Starmer thread.
...let's just get back on Johnson now, please. Happy to agree with Rone about Starmer's recent moves over on the Starmer thread, but let's keep it there, so people can choose to get involved or not.
Back on topic, doesn’t matter where your politics lie with Johnson, he has no politics, he has to ousted through populism, ie the other guy needs to be more popular, then we might have a chance of getting back to proper politics.
The Tory party definitely have small state policy. Without a shadow of doubt.
They are currently expecting the market to solve all our problems.
(They will use the state when they absolutely have to.)
Nothing has changed other than the attitudes and the personality.
So this is now the Starmer thread, yeah?
No, this is the Johnson thread and Johnson is doing so bad why aren't Labour doing a better job?
Otherwise, the thread is just a catalogue of pointing out what is wrong rather than suggesting what could be done to beat Johnson
And the thing is it's self defeating because just blindly observing how bad Johnson is - is the easy bit.
Rone posted the same Starmer focused stuff in both threads… and we haven’t escaped since.
They apologised at first… so fair dos
I did because the context was for the remainers which sit in both threads.
You and some of the others at least gave a considered response.
It's like because it's a difficult issue it shouldn't be discussed!
Surely Starmer being shaped by the Tories is worthy of the odd post in the Johnson thread?
I like the context of all views.
And generally ignore something if you don't want to discuss it!
This one is meant to be about Boris Johnson and the actions of the government
I'm to happy challenge Johnson and why Starmer is moving in a similar direction in circumstances where there's a crossover - in this thread too.
Cheers.
Anything to say about todays rail strike? Anything about Boris and Grant Schapps engineering a confrontation with the unions as a pretext to water down workers rights?
Or is the thread now exclusively about Keir Starmer?
In fact, not even Keir Starmer, just the usual five people discussing why they should be discussing Keir Starmer?
Anything to say about todays rail strike? Anything about Boris and Grant Schapps engineering a confrontation with the unions as a pretext to water down workers rights?
Or is the thread now exclusively about Keir Starmer?
There is a thread dedicated to the rail strike. You seem to feel that only stuff that you approve of can be posted on this thread.
And with that in mind you attempt to bully and intimidate with personal insults like "your little mates" and "the little sixth form gang".
You are obviously wasting your time though. So maybe focus on a counterargument if you disagree rather than personal insults?
The one everyone avoids and just you five contribute too
I think a lot of people avoid certain threads because of you.
while Mick Lynch did what I wish more people would do with these liars
Hang on, so you like union barons now?
Anything to say about todays rail strike?
Yeah, I think it's beyond the pale for a Labour leader to tell his MPs not to join picket lines. What do you think about that? Scab Starmer, what a f***** disgrace.
Hang on, so you like union barons now?
As I recall, he's a big fan of Len McClusky.
Anything to say about todays rail strike
Yes it's a product of the economic model we endure. The one that unions and 6th formers push against.
The idea that when wages have been suppressed for years that they can add to the current type inflation is drivel. Economic idiots can't reconcile a shrinking economy and wages causing inflation? Wage price spiral. FFS
Chocolate brains like Simon Clarke.
https://twitter.com/SimonClarkeMP/status/1538798657490890753?t=1JAExxFOc0imDrKsUBKFeQ&s=19
Our current economic model is built on low wages for the majority (I know the strike is not exclusively about wages) but the working class are now arguing between each other as expected rather than saying we all need better wages and conditions- fair play the the strikers.
Neither political party is helpful here. Starmer avoiding supporting the strikers and telling his front bench not to picket, or offering inflation based pay rises.
Johnson blaming Labour.
Again how do you remodel economics and therefore outcomes for people without pushing back on both Johnson and Starmer's brand of capitalism.
The government should either get a grip on inflation (instead of contracting one lever to the BoE) or increase wages.
Either way I don't like Starmer or Johnson's approach.
Long-term everything is going to get worse, the party that offers the best solution is likely to be the winner here.
Not offering a solution to the greater cost of living situation is deluded.
Summer of traffic jams and strikes. Keep it up.
Also don't get me started on Barclay asking to loosen up pay restricts for city execs.
Literally pissing all over the working class if that's what trickle down means.
The government should either get a grip on inflation (instead of contracting one lever to the BoE) or increase wages.
Given that it's primarily supply-side inflation, rather than wage-driven at this point, what short-term levers do they, or the BoE actually have? Interest rates have already risen significantly.
The only one that springs to mind is more price controls on energy, like the French have done.
@rone -
Yes it’s a product of the economic model we endure. The one that unions and 6th formers push against.
The idea that when wages have been suppressed for years that they can add to the current type inflation is drivel. Economic idiots can’t reconcile a shrinking economy and wages causing inflation? Wage price spiral. FFS . . . .
I agree with you on all this. I'm slightly left of centre in my politics (liberal socialist) and find this lot infuriating. Boris & Co's approach is obviously to screw over the minions and 'reward' the already rich.
It's why GDP as a measure of success in an economy is a fallacy; if you have rising levels of destitution (not just poverty, but absolute poverty) then in my view your economy has failed. It doesn't matter what the bottom line says
I work in sustainability. When you look at the three components; environmental, social, and economic, we have been failing as a country for a while now and it's accelerating now even quicker under BJ and RS, mainly because they don't GAF about the plebs
Given that it’s primarily supply-side inflation, rather than wage-driven at this point, what short-term levers do they, or the BoE actually have? Interest rates have already risen significantly.
The only one that springs to mind is more price controls on energy, like the French have done.
Removal of VAT on basic goods and services, including energy. Increase the levels of grants available to people.
Adopt a similar model Italy and Spain and 120% subsidise the insulation and improvement of housing stock.*
*They won't do this because it's what Insulate Britain were trying to flag up and they were demonised by the govt after they glued themselves to the M25
120% subsidise the insulation and improvement of housing stock.*
*They won’t do this because it’s what Insulate Britain were trying to flag up and they were demonised by the govt after they glued themselves to the M25
Imo we should've spent the entire summer doing this
Because cone winter Putin is going to squeeze harder to get the concessions he wants over Ukraine and gas prices will go thru the roof
Instead we have a government focused only on distracting from whatever Johnson scandal/crisis has popped up this week
I broadly agree with @spawnofyorkshire but tax on unearned income is also key (and possibly wealth tax).
The tax on unearned income (shares etc) massively lowers the effective tax rate for the richest 5%. If the richest paid their fair share we'd have more tax revenue to pay for improving housing stock etc.
We also need to move minimum wage upwards in real terms so that eventually we don't have to subsidise employment through benefits. Although the money goes to the employee it's in effect a subsidy to companies that pay low wages.
Imo we should’ve spent the entire summer doing this
As with much of what is wrong and broken about the UK, this will take a lot more than one summer.
Rail, the NHS, the welfare state, education are all essentially broken - the entire system is creaking at the knees, operating at 99.5% pretty much all the time and it needs vast amounts of investment, restructure, overhaul etc to bring back onto an even keel. It's not had that, it's had decades of underfunding, austerity, part-privitisation, been demonised and slated in the media...
To actually insulate Britain will take a decade of absolutely solid investment from now, recruiting thousands of engineers and providers, getting developers and construction companies on board with new guidance and then rolling it out in a phased manner of dealing with oldest houses / poorest residents first. Do that alongside grants, subsidies and guidance for wealthier residents/developers who are doing home renovations anyway - stuff like not installing any new gas boilers (heat pumps only), loads more solar, triple glazing etc.
Boris and this Government haven't had any original policy ideas since 2016 when Brexit crippled everything. First it became Leavers vs Remainers, then it became 6 years of deciding what Brexit actually was and how to implement it and the endless arguments, elections etc surrounding it all.
To actually insulate Britain will take a decade of absolutely solid investment from now, recruiting thousands of engineers and providers, getting developers and construction companies on board with new guidance and then rolling it out in a phased manner of dealing with oldest houses / poorest residents first.
There are plenty of people already capable of doing this already. The problem is that the way government schemes in the past have been framed discourages people capable of doing a decent job and encourages people out to make a quick buck.
A simple scheme focussed on a Building Control sign-off would have been far cheaper, more effective, and would avoid most of the problems the previous schemes caused. Unfortunately such a scheme might be efficient and reduce the need for project management/bureaucracy fees for friends, so it doesn’t fit with the current government’s philosophy
Sounds like a great boost to the economy to me.
The tax on unearned income (shares etc) massively lowers the effective tax rate for the richest 5%. If the richest paid their fair share we’d have more tax revenue to pay for improving housing stock etc.
I'm not against taxation - but you should know the government's capacity to spend is not limited by revenue.
Please don't get me started I will be in trouble for talking MMT on this thread again. 🙂
What does everybody think about Mr Johnson getting the cameras in to his Cabinet briefings in the morning? An attempt at transparency that should be praised? Cynical move to get his message out without having to risk getting sanctioned for lying in Parliament?
I am all for transparency in Government - and lots of what this Government does is performative rather than delivering on actual worthwhile policies (or actual policies) - is this new stage a good or a bad thing?
If he is doing it, it is him seeing an angle in boosting his profile. I expect it to last as long as it is useful to for him, or does not show him in a bad light.
But yes, getting _his_ message out without having to be pulled up for lying is probably a driving reason behind it
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In the latter case the tories win with the entire system being dragged rightwards. This is clearly demonstrated in both the UK and the USA.
It does seem to be the case that the Tories are winning, and dragging the overall political balance of the UK rightwards. What can be done about that? Any plan to pull political discussion leftwards sadly has to work out how to frame its arguments to appeal to a populace that has been drifting rightwards and also has to deal with the dominance of the right amongst the news media. They may not sell as many papers these days but they do still seem to have a lot of influence on the UK's political landscape.
The centrist/incrementalist approach does seem to risk ceding too much ground to the right but a lot of the political history of the past few years seems to suggest that offering a more radical alternative doesn't work that well either. It could be pointed out that that may be the fault of a weak/inexperienced leader (Ed Miliband, who was mauled over his mildly social democratic policies) or infighting (Corbyn, who was absolutely savaged for his policies) but I feel that when we've had several Labour party leaders in a row who have failed to make much headway with the public while all suffering from voluble hostile right wing media coverage, even if we had a perfect Labour leader who had united the whole party behind them they'd still struggle.
So how can the politics of this country start being moved leftwards again, given the state of the country and its news media as it is now? I wish I knew but sadly I don't think that calmly, or passionately, espousing left wing ideas (or tricky economic theories) is going to work.
The centrist/incrementalist approach does seem to risk ceding too much ground to the right but a lot of the political history of the past few years seems to suggest that offering a more radical alternative doesn’t work that well either.
Could it be without the heat of Brexit and Jez in the frame left-wing policies might just be the answer? To even call them radical doesn't work for me - it's just basic redistribution. Radical only because we've accepted the current establishment model.
I'm not saying it's easy but if you remove both of those elements surely the electorate doesn't need to fight over them. The metaphorical landscape is getting desperate too - for solutions.
Centrist approach is pointless (for me) as it doesn't base anything on pushing back against the Tories on better policies so offers no substantial difference to the structure of society.
The electorate are figuring this out. The trouble with centrism is it's not a centre ground either - it's a wishy washy acceptance that the current status-quo (Right-wing) works but is constrained by incompetence - which is twaddle. 'So we like the Tories ideology but we want to be included but please don't mess up with corruption.'
I knew five more years of Tory leadership would lead the country to the brink - they're not equipped to fix things.
Any plan to pull political discussion leftwards sadly has to work out how to frame its arguments to appeal to a populace that has been drifting rightwards and also has to deal with the dominance of the right amongst the news media
Whilst the latter is true the former isnt obviously so. When policies are taken standalone then leftwing policies do fairly well. Its only when they are labelled as belonging to a leftwing party they go down badly. Almost certainly due to the right in the media.
even if we had a perfect Labour leader who had united the whole party behind them they’d still struggle.
It certainly wouldnt be easy but throwing hands up and saying "well we will just be slightly less tory than the tories" is only going to make the problem worse.
Are these posts being copy and pasted from the Starmer thread? For a laugh?
This is quite funny - I genuinely thought I was in the Starmer thread with my last post.
So how can the politics of this country start being moved leftwards again, given the state of the country and its news media as it is now?
Binners will be here to call me a disaster socialist (untrue), but I fear things will have to get very much worse before the zeitgeist moves leftwards. Maybe after a winter with even higher fuel and energy bills combined with recession and rising unemployment things will start to boil over. It's going to require people on the streets basically. The only question is how much people are willing to endure before that happens? The alternative is the pointless labour party actually doing some opposition and representing the interests of working people, but there's fat chance of that under Starmer.
Are these posts being copy and pasted from the Starmer thread? For a laugh?
Having a starmer thread and a Johnson thread is bloody stupid. We're discussing the same thing - UK politics. The mods really need to sort it out.
No, it makes sense to have them separate. In this thread lots of different people got involved in talking about our Prime Minister and the way he goes about the work that he was elected to do. You're just going to turn everyone away with the same points about Labour and their leader... going around and around in the same repeating circles. Talk about Starmer and what Labour should be doing in the other thread, please.
Nice that they are giving pensioners an above inflation rise next year. Everyone else..... tough
Nice that they are giving pensioners an above inflation rise next year.
They’ve got to try something to shore up their base voters after killing so many during the worst of the pandemic
Talk about Starmer and what Labour he should be doing in the other thread, please.
As I explained yesterday, Johnson and Starmers fortunes, actions and words are directly linked to each other. Trying to stop discussion of one or the other in either thread simply shuts down any debate other than 'isn't Johnson evil' or 'isn't Starmer good/bad'. It's infantile, I've had more intelligent political discussions with my 14 year old.
There is a place for that discussion. There is a reason why so few people contribute. You're just going to make this thread the same. A few voices going around in circles and everyone else avoiding it. It is literally the same content about Starmer and Labour that people are avoiding in the other thread taking over this one. Discuss Starmer there, I'll happily go and join in, let people use this thread for discussing Boris Johnson and what he and his government are doing, and how they go about doing it. Please. If you find people doing that infantile, pop in and tell them that every now and again, for whatever little kick that gives you.
There is a place for that discussion. There is a reason why so few people contribute
Because Starmer is an utter nonentity that no one can be arsed paying attention?
After all you, binners and dannyh used to endlessly repeat the same crap on previous threads.
I do find it fascinating how keen you are on policing behaviour and yet never utter a word about binners childish ramblings and memes?
As I explained yesterday, Johnson and Starmers fortunes, actions and words are directly linked to each other. Trying to stop discussion of one or the other in either thread simply shuts down any debate other than ‘isn’t Johnson evil’ or ‘isn’t Starmer good/bad’. It’s infantile, I’ve had more intelligent political discussions with my 14 year old.
I've had more diverse conversations with a wall. It isn't that we shouldn't mention Starmer on here, or even that all of us like him, it's just that every so often a carbon copy post appears decrying starmer/labour at a point when BJ and the actual government are screwing things up.
The parliamentary system we have disenfranchises the opposition if the ruling party has a majority.
My own view is that we should be decrying Lindsey Hoyle more than Starmer for allowing BJ to flagrantly lie in parliament without holding him to task. Not just BJ either, Shapps got a few whoppers in yesterday too
There is a reason why so few people contribute. You’re just going to make this thread the same. A few voices going around in circles and everyone else avoiding it.
This
Talk about not reading the room
It is literally the same content that people are avoiding in the other thread taking over this one.
Sorry but this is nonsense. Yes, Johnson is corruptt/lazy/incompetent/narcissistic etc, we all know that, why keep repeating it? Why not talk about why he is where he is, why he gets away with it, and what is required to get rid of him? Except that's not allowed because to do that you have to talk about the labour party too. Or should we just stick to upper case rants and funny pictures?
Or should we just stick to upper case rants and funny pictures?
I'll stop reading Private Eye then
what is required to get rid of him?
For some people, that is a referendum on Scottish independence.
For some people it is an agreement about PR between all the opposition parties.
For some people it is a change of Tory leader, and a shift back to Conservative values.
For some of us it’s getting a Labour government elected. But not all of us.
I don't think there is a fine enough line to draw between Johnson and Starmer stories in many ways, given their relative political status.
I mean what's the rule - don't mention Starmer ever? How does it work? Who gets to decide?
It's frankly ridiculous.
The truth of the matter is people have given up on the Starmer thread because their positivity about the man has faded, and that is embarrassing/frustrating for some reason when he's used in context in this thread.
The general focus of this thread is Johnson but connected events and opinions make entire sense.
I’ve had more diverse conversations with a wall. It isn’t that we shouldn’t mention Starmer on here, or even that all of us like him, it’s just that every so often a carbon copy post appears decrying starmer/labour at a point when BJ and the actual government are screwing things up.
The parliamentary system we have disenfranchises the opposition if the ruling party has a majority.
Yeah but so what - the government are always screwing up. But when Starmer apes a Tory value I think it's relevant that it's seen by the people that might not venture into the Starmer thread too.
It isn’t that we shouldn’t mention Starmer on here,
That line is not clear to me.
My own view is that we should be decrying Lindsey Hoyle more than Starmer for allowing BJ to flagrantly lie in parliament without holding him to task.
Hoyle is useless although then again he is doing the job exactly as he was selected to do so but Starmer could still challenge him.
If you look at how Blackford challenges Johnson it shows how the speaker can be worked round to some degree.
I used to enjoy reading this thread ☹️
Kelvin how many unlikely methods of deposing Johnson and/or the tories can you think of that don't involve having a leader of the labour party who people want to vote for? 😂
The only way to get rid of the tories is to vote them out at an election. They primary/only way of doing that is having a LOTO who can persuade people to vote for his party and its policies.
I used to enjoy reading this thread
What did you used to like in particular? Binners' daily rants about terrible Johnson is? Kelvin's middle of the road liberal pontificating? Dannyh/gardentigers unhinged rants about the great unwashed who voted for Johnson?
I used to enjoy reading this thread
As did others. Well not any more!!! You're not here to enjoy yourself!!!
You're here to be angrily lectured in how wrong you are by the same 5 spirit-crushingly tedious, utterly joyless, pious, humourless, sanctimonious, self-righteous po-faced faux revolutionaries informed by those who are far more knowledgable than you in why your opinions may not be quite correct
Let that be a lesson to you!!
Maybe they preferred your contributions?
You're clearly the star of the show
You’re clearly the star of the show
Nah I'm just bored and enjoy winding up binners. Seems to work as well. 😄
If you're not bloody careful I'll actually start talking about politics in the pub next Monday! 😛
I mean what’s the rule – don’t mention Starmer ever? How does it work? Who gets to decide?
I think everyone knows who the self-appointed arbitrator is.
The reason the Starmer thread has low level of activity is because Starmer himself has low levels of activity.
I occasionally type "Starmer" in the search box and click on to a news search just to find out what the hell he's been up. Generally I find little that is current and mostly news articles several days if not weeks old.
In contrast a Johnson search will obviously throw up a multitude of news stories.
Currently a Starmer news search will indeed show some very recent news reports but only because some members of his Front Bench are rebelling and ignoring his demand not to support a section of the working-class which is actively engaged in challenging the ruling elite and their Tory government.
Whilst simultaneously providing an example of the value of organising to all working people.
Nah I’m just bored and enjoy winding up binners. Seems to work as well. 😄
Tiresome and vapid
If you say his name 3 times he appears and bores you to tears,
Tiresome and vapid
Only if you think this is a serious discussion, which it clearly is not. This is a chat forum FFS not a committee meeting.
Only if you think this is a serious discussion, which it clearly is not.
Well it almost became one for a while. But I have no doubt that it will quickly revert to type and once again everyone will be enjoying themselves as they discuss how fat Johnson is, who his missus is shagging, how much he lies, how he is the worse Tory who has ever lived, and of course how incredibly stupid and unintelligent he is.
Anyway... back to the actual topic of the thread...
Keir Starmer.
Oh, sorry...
Boris Johnson
Stand back folks! Somewhat inevitably, he's addressing the issue in the best way he knows how....
He's got his team of photographers to make a film where he gets to stand by a railway in a hi-viz jacket. Somewhere in the north. A sort of railway worker cosplay
https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1539257535349280773?s=20&t=LEpbqrSVu1vWEGjuQHnGzQ
As for the content, you'll be hard pushed to compress a bigger amount of bullshit, fantasy and outright lies into just a few minutes
He cosplays as a ****ing human as standard.
A sort of railway worker cosplay
Stand back folks! Somewhat inevitably, he’s addressing the issue in the best way he knows how….
Did you actually watch the clip which you posted?
I expected to see a shambolic press conference in which makes Johnson appear totally inept. From a Tory perspective his performance was absolutely fine. He made all the points you would expect from a Tory PM and was clearly appealing to general public to support the government's stance.
He made what many would feel were very valid points.
Now what it needs is an alternative point of view from a different perspective - ie from the perspective of ordinary working people, not the ruling elite.
Any ideas who should be taking on the challenge?
Crossrail for the north... my arse!
"levelling up across the whole country"
Come and say that in Yorkshire, with a straight face... HE has cancelled EVERYTHING that was planned here as regards new rail capacity, in an area where rail use has bounced back post pandemic, despite the bottle necks and slow service. Insulting.
Can we make him spend his next holiday (must be due another one any day now) in Bradford?
Crossrail for the north… my arse!
"Northern Powerhouse Rail, of which I'm very proud"
Eh? So proud of it, you cancelled it all?
Like I said : you’ll be hard pushed to compress a bigger amount of bullshit, fantasy and outright lies into just a few minutes
I honestly think he's some kind of Walter Mitty character and in his own head all these things actually happened. Northern Powerhouse Rail, Crossrail for the North, 48 New Hospitals, all those new nuclear power stations.
The bloke lives in a fantasy world. The scary thing is how many people seem to live there with him
The scary thing is how many people seem to live there with him
Perhaps they could be guided out of there by the leader of the Opposition?
Will he give his own press briefing explaining why Johnson is so wrong and living in a fantasy world, whilst offering real down-to-earth alternative policies?
Two more attempts to get Carrie public funds (I won't insult people's intelligence by saying "jobs")... as I predicted... a pattern emerging... just like when he was mayor...
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-suggested-two-plum-27285766
At least her relationship with him was public at the time of these ones... so arguably less corrupt... more just your common basic nepotism.
The bloke lives in a fantasy world. The scary thing is how many people seem to live there with him
Welcome to the Brexit sir.
I think that was the warm up act,once he realised all you have to do is say a few things but actually never fulfill anything, it was game on.
Post truth politics and all that jazz.
And on the FCO job for her when she was his secret mistress... ie the story published and then withdrawn in the Times...
The claim was also mentioned in a diary kept by Alan Duncan, who was at the time a minister of state at the foreign office.
In his published diaries he noted on Sunday 22nd April 2018: “Apparently Carrie Symonds, head of press in Conservative HQ, is due to become a SPAD in the FCO. It’s the first I’ve heard of it.”
The original story published by the Times claimed that the idea fell apart when Mr Johnson's closest advisers learned of the idea to hire Ms Symonds.
[ Independent ]
Depressing article here
The Tory candidate sounds absolutely dreadful, but still in with a good chance of winning 🙄
https://unherd.com/2022/06/the-tories-deserve-to-lose-tiverton/
Anyway a bit of National service never hurt anyone, we need to get ready to show the Bear who’s boss.
Bomb back better.
I shouldn’t really joke but are they coming around to gather the iron fencing yet.
The reason the Starmer thread has low level of activity is because Starmer himself has low levels of activity.
It's not mate, it's because you and a handful of others constantly spam the thread with the same old mince. That's the reason I don't open it anymore.
the same old mince
Unlike this thread in which everyday there is a new revelation concerning Johnson.
Today I believe it's that he is a liar.
🤦♂️
It’s not mate, it’s because you and a handful of others constantly spam the thread with the same old mince. That’s the reason I don’t open it anymore
The door is always open to come and make some comments about how great he is.
No doubt the by-election might jockey some activity.
As for the content, you’ll be hard pushed to compress a bigger amount of bullshit, fantasy and outright lies into just a few minutes
I've seen worse even if don't agree with word of it.
I will nip across to the Starmer thread to see the alternative view point.
https://twitter.com/campbellclaret/status/1539293893761683456?t=zqQUpLO8LrfRSryU1J-6Mg&s=19
Oh dear God.
Having failed to have Dacre dropped into the role of Ofcom chair, the nice Mr Johnson is going to reward him for dropping the Carriegate story by popping him into the House of Lords. 🙄
He really is utterly shameless in his corruption. ☹️