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So the final tally is:
- 126 fines issued
- 73 to women
- 53 to men
- Majority of fines issued to Civil Servants
- Johnson and Sunak both fined for the 9 minute tea break during the working day
At this rate, Starmer's gathering could cop for more fines issued to politicians for one event than Johnson did in Downing Street over many months.
I think the Met have opened themselves up to more flack by using the 'it was home excuse'
All those people who were fined for parties in their homes will be very unhappy
So we're stuck with him then 😔 disappointing but expected.
At this rate, Starmer’s gathering could cop for more fines issued to politicians for one event than Johnson did in Downing Street over many months.
You mean 126 vs ... err... 0.
This is bloody good, as she usually is Mhairi Black and the f word
Thanks that neatly, and far more eloquently than I’ll ever manage, summed up everything I hate about the current government.
When you find yourself thinking ‘at least Maggie believed in something’ you know things are bad. It’s getting to the point where another whitewash, the Speaker protecting the perpetrator rather than the whistleblower, or the daily completely immoral and impractical policy announcement is no longer news.
Yup... Radio4 has some press journalists chewing the fat on this... apparently Johnson has got away with it, and Starmer is in a really difficult position. Yes, that was a member of staff for the Daily Mail. Setting the agenda. Blatantly. And getting away with it just as much as Johnson.
[ love that song by the way ]
Meanwhile, some important issues facing the country: media sources that don't talk up the Tories.
But she told MPs she would not "justify a news organisation whose anchor went out to shout obscenities at Tories"
So, she thinks the licence fee is unfair… and is privatising C4 which isn’t license fee funded.
She thinks the licence fee is unfair but happily gives her Netflix log in to four other people to access that for free!
She thinks the licence fee is unfair but happily gives her Netflix log in to four other people to access that for free!
Yes indeed.
End of day, someone, somewhere will be profiting from C4 being privatised-for-profit... so let's all at least pretend to be surprised when it turns out to be Dido Harding.
Pity the poor sacrificial dimwit, who nobody has ever heard of, who’s been despatched to Liverpool to defend Boris on Question Time
I thought they’d lined up a whole team? Not watching it though. Waste of airtime.
Fair point. There are 5 panellists and 3 are Tories. Nadine will be pleased. She may spare them for another week
They’ve got some monumentally annoying Sloaney tit on from a Tory think tank. You just know she’s got a framed picture of Fatcha up in the Knightsbridge flat that daddy bought her
They’ve got some monumentally annoying Sloaney tit on from a Tory think tank.
Emily Carver - Institute of Economic Affairs
Roadkill come a revolution.
So...
The unflushable turd sits in the pan mocking us. He's stronger now in the eyes of the halfwits in the general population who like him.
"Sue Gray? Poo Gray" they'll say, no matter how 'damning' her report is. "If it was that bad the coppers would have done something" they'll say.
A terrible week for right thinking people and another dangerous erosion of policing by consent.
Starmer is now in the shit. The best outcome is now a draw in the eyes of most of the population. He gets a FPN he has to resign. The Met have played a blinder for Johnson - expect some kind of promotion for the investigating officer.
Out in the real world Nancy Pelosi has said again that the UK can whistle up a flagpole if we think we're getting a free trade deal whilst *ing up the Good Friday Agreement.
But look... the Rwanda migrant story has miraculously also reappeared in the headlines - totally unconnected to other events.
This country is a *ing shambles populated by halfwits.
And to top it off I've just heard 'Dover Dominic' Raab doing his rota'd slot as dick of the day defending the unflushable turd.
Lots of dog whistle Rwanda stuff for the racists, lots of vacuous shit and, at the end, two fingers up to the public by saying that accepting a fine from the police is a form of accountability.
Sod this for a game of soldiers - I'm tuning out for the day. Play list on, earphones in.
Play list on, earphones in.
Wise.
Hopefully some disgruntled and heavily-fined civil servant is transferring files to the Sunday papers. They were all told to cooperate with the investigation, and did so, whereupon top brass like Simon Case did not, and didn't get fined. Suckers!
Lots of dog whistle Rwanda stuff for the racists, lots of vacuous shit and, at the end, two fingers up to the public by saying that accepting a fine from the police is a form of accountability.
It's incredible, isn't it?
I saw that yesterday they made a 'policing' announcement that they would be cracking down on cocaine use at football grounds. Eh? What? Like thats what we need to be looking at at the moment. And you'll be doing that how exactly?
Just another dead cat.
Much as they want this to be an end to everything, and the MET have done everything in their power to make that so, I don't think a lot of people are in the mood to forgiving this, when comparing it to their own sacrifices during lockdown.
I'm amazed none of the apparently numerous photographs of parties at Number 10 have made it into the public domain yet. I wonder if thats about to change now the police investigation has now officially been concluded
I saw that yesterday they made a ‘policing’ announcement that they would be cracking down on cocaine use at football grounds.
Wasn't aware it was an issue but it might explain Evertons success and/or the implosion at Leeds 🤔
Has Dom fired all his bullets?
He gets a FPN he has to resign. The Met have played a blinder for Johnson – expect some kind of promotion for the investigating officer.
I guarantee that someone somewhere put serious pressure on the MET to only issue the one solitary fine for Johnson. If they had issued none then calls of a whitewash would be deafening, multiple fines would also have been trouble. But the one single one allows them to spin it as one isolated mistake at a time of severe pressure so it's "fully understandable". Well, if you ignore the denials, lies and dead cats that were thrown about to try and make it all go away.
The issue now is that Starmer has painted himself into a corner saying he'll resign if fined, presumably to put pressure on Johnson to do the same. There will now be a hell of a lot of pressure from the government on the police to make that fine a reality and get rid of Starmer, they'll spin Johnson not resigning as down to the War or that a leadership contest right now in the middle of a cost of living crisis 'is not the time'.
When you think things can't get any more surreal and ridiculous.
Doing the "Morally Correct" thing and hoping that a morally corrupt person would follow suit was a mistake. And if the Moral person thinks that the voting population of the country will see it, remember it and vote based on it in 2 years time, well that's a mistake so silly it's not even worth thinking about.
The MET, or the Tory-MET as they like to be known, has indeed played a blinder for Boris and his chums.
I saw that yesterday they made a ‘policing’ announcement that they would be cracking down on cocaine use at football grounds.
They'd do a lot better if they cracked down on cocaine use in the House of Commons. Poor Michael Gove won't know what's hit him.
They’ve got some monumentally annoying Sloaney tit on from a Tory think tank.
Emily Carver – Institute of Economic Affairs
Roadkill come a revolution.
She's now on Five Live as a political commentator, basically saying this is now Starmer who's in trouble and Boris is innocent and we need to move on
Does Nadine Dorres just now tell the BBC who they're having on to express any opinions? It certainly seems that way
Emily Carver really is like nails down a blackboard
this is now Starmer who’s in trouble and Boris is innocent and we need to move on
That's been Radio4 for the last few days. Non stop. Luckily Channel4 News looked at it from more than one angle... oh, hang on...
I guarantee that someone somewhere put serious pressure on the MET to only issue the one solitary fine
the names of the people with multiple fines vs the names of people wit only one fine with be directly proportional to the cost of the lawyer they could or couldn’t afford to hire.
I think Durham Police issuing a fine to Starmer is now an absolutely nailed on certainty! They'll be getting massively leaned on to do so!
How utterly depressing
The greased piglet wriggles free once again
directly proportional to the cost of the lawyer they could or couldn’t afford to hire.
I dont think the cost would be a major factor. Even a cheap one could say "dont say anything".
Its those who thought it best to be honest who seem to have got screwed.
Which makes it surprising Johnson got fined at all since that isnt even one of his minor qualities.
Is it surprising, or not, that the only event that Johnson was fined for being at (even though he said none of them happened, and then that he didn't attend them, even though they did, and he did, and multiple people have been fined for attending them) is the one that the public are most likely to be sympathetic about... partly due to Chope's irrelevant but perfectly distracting jokes about cake. All the other events, less likely to draw any sympathy or understanding, that he did attend, including those were he or his wife were the host, he didn't receive a fine for. Funny that. I think I made a mistake letting my Private Eye sub run out this week... would love to read their take on this happy happenstance.
I think Durham Police issuing a fine to Starmer is now an absolutely nailed on certainty! They’ll be getting massively leaned on to do so!
How utterly depressing
The greased piglet wriggles free once again
100% this
I wrote to my MP re Partygate, Covid Corruption, the state of the economy, the potential breakup of the Union to name but a few subjects (very politely and all points referenced), and he told me not to worry. BJ has got all the big calls right and he is a saint for involvement in Ukraine.
So it's OK then. Calm down at the back...out Glorious Leader is in the clear.
I replied and suggested he not be so patronising in future and look at the real picture...at least from a non Conservative perspective. Trouble is, he wants to get back into the Cabinet so he won't do anything.
I fear we are screwed and that Mhairi Black's analysis is spot on.
Mhairi Black’s analysis is spot on.
I watched that and it made me quite ashamed to be associated to this - my - country.
As above though, Boris got Brexit done, got Covid done, is leading support for Ukraine and will shortly successfully remove the Leader of the Opposition. Expect to be hearing all about that for at least another 2 - and maybe even another 6 - years.
Partygate, drugs & porn, affairs and misogyny, dodgy deals incompetence homeless and dead people and fraud are all just little squirrels.
Doing the “Morally Correct” thing and hoping that a morally corrupt person would follow suit was a mistake. And if the Moral person thinks that the voting population of the country will see it,
Yeah I came to the conclusion a while back that my morals are only there to serve and benefit me. Turns out no one else GAF. I too am a useful idiot.
I think I made a mistake letting my Private Eye sub run out this week… would love to read their take on this happy happenstance.
HIGNFY may be worth a watch tomorrow night. Shame Last Leg isn't on at the moment.
I've no idea how Boris has got away with this. It stinks. If Starmer does have to resign, I hope Labour can find a pit bull to rip the Tory sleaze apart to replace him.
If Starmer does have to resign, I hope Labour can find a pit bull to rip the Tory sleaze apart to replace him.
They've got Angela Rayner, I think the Tories should be doing all they can to ensure Kier doesn't see fit to resign!
I’ve no idea how Boris has got away with this.
"Let's wait and see what... insert whoever... has to say... I couldn't possible comment ahead of their findings."
"Look, that's all ancient history, what the people want is for me to deliver on... soundbite about something that won't be delivered... not to keeping going over all this."
[ oh, reminder, Rayner is also skewered by the Dail Mail, Delingpole & Holden, if Starmer is ]
Peston is reporting on ITV that there are a lot of seriously disgruntled junior staff who've been walloped with fines, while Boris and other senior staff, who all 'lawyered up' haven't received fines for being at the very same 'gatherings'.
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1527583568263884802?s=20&t=tw6YPOmYqdoGtokLbb20tg
With any luck we'll get a whistleblower prepared to spill the beans and release some photos. I'm staggered that if there are hundreds of images (as Cummins claims) that none have yet come to light
Presumably people who have a sufficiently developed moral compass to honestly explain themselves to the police aren't the sort of people who would send damning evidence of wrongdoing by their bosses to journalists.
Hopefully they'll feel screwed over enough that those compasses get realigned!
Hopefully they’ll feel screwed over enough that those compasses get realigned!
Still talk of pics of Boris doing coke at an event going round the Tory party, but if true I'd have thought they'd be public by now.
Peston is reporting on ITV that there are a lot of seriously disgruntled junior staff who’ve been walloped with fines, while Boris and other senior staff, who all ‘lawyered up’ haven’t received fines for being at the very same ‘gatherings’.
So the Tory party employees are suffering the same modus operandum as us Joe Public eh? Maybe some eye are being opened...
So the Tory party employees are suffering the same modus operandum as us Joe Public eh? Maybe some eye are being opened…
I presumed it was referring to junior civil servants, there "shouldn't" be many Tory party employees at No10.
So apparently Carrie's ABBA party was OK cos it was "a strategy meeting". And I suppose the dog ate her questionnaire. Of course she's a pathetic shit for behaving like that, but the Met have descended yet another step into their stinking cesspit of corruption.
This reminds of an episode when I was a kid. I was about 8 or 9, in primary school, we were swinging from the crossbar during lunch break. Which we weren't allowed to do.
Then we saw Mr Fenchurch marching towards us, face like thunder, ready to dish out a bollocking. We dropped to the ground and everyone legged it.
Except me. What was the point? He had seen us all, he knew who we were, it's not like we could escape school or pretend we hadn't done it. Running away was, clearly, pointless and cowardly, not to mention borderline dishonest. If I did that at home I'd get an extra slap when my mum caught up with me. Might as well take the bollocking and get it over with.
So I got yelled at. And he marched off back to the staff room. And everyone who ran away got off without a bollocking.
Not sure why that story just surfaced in my memory, 35 years later...
^^^
Because Mr Fenchurch couldn't be arsed to track down everyone else and, being honest, you made yourself an easy win.
I'm certainly not going to worry about riding my bike on the odd footpath or in contravention of the odd daft bylaw now.
I’m certainly not going to worry about riding my bike on the odd footpath or in contravention of the odd daft bylaw now.
Which in general terms is exactly what people have been saying; behaviour is influenced from the very top - if its ok for Boris and chums to break a few laws then surely its OK for me too. Its a degeneration of society being played out.
Does anyone know how much these fixed penalties were for? I may have been living under a rock but I've not yet seen it mentioned anywhere.
Which in general terms is exactly what people have been saying; behaviour is influenced from the very top – if its ok for Boris and chums to break a few laws then surely its OK for me too. Its a degeneration of society being played out.
Yep. If someone goes into a frothy rage at a bit of trail-poaching it is basically tough shit. That's certainly the line I'll be going with if I'm unfortunate enough to be going slow enough to be talked to.
🤷♂️
Edit: And maybe with a side order of "And you can stick your Platinum Jubilee up your arse too" depending on how aggro they are.
🙂
Cougar
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Does anyone know how much these fixed penalties were for? I may have been living under a rock but I’ve not yet seen it mentioned anywhere.
£50 ? but I think they changed it later on , so depends when the party happened
interestingly for joe blogs if you get fine a second time it doubles and then doubles again up to max of £6k
but met decided that in these cases No10 staff only have to pay £50 each time
which also stinks
The Met have clearly backed off from this under political pressure. It is a disgrace.
If a vaccine resistant covid strain hits the police are screwed. There will be no way of enforcing any measures in a meaningful sense.
But they've made their bed...
Which in general terms is exactly what people have been saying; behaviour is influenced from the very top – if its ok for Boris and chums to break a few laws then surely its OK for me too. Its a degeneration of society being played out.
Am I the only one thinking that allowing myself to sink to their level and perpetuate the spiral of lowering standards is the last thing I want? I'd like a society where decent citizens hold politicians to account and get rid of them rather than shrug and accept it.
Wasn't sure whether to post this here or start a separate thread, but this year's Jo Cox lecture at her old college was by Baroness Warsi on the subject of culture wars. She doesn't sound very Tory
Yep. If someone goes into a frothy rage at a bit of trail-poaching it is basically tough shit.
I have to say if I get challenged, I might be tempted to ask who they voted for at the last election. And given where I life it’s likely to have been the Torys. Then ask what they think of Boris’s behaviour.
Then after the inevitable blustering defence, tell them I’m just off to check my vision.
I’m amazed none of the apparently numerous photographs of parties at Number 10 have made it into the public domain yet. I wonder if thats about to change now the police investigation has now officially been concluded
No value in them surfacing now,come the election they’ll probably end up being drip fed, firing torpedo after torpedo into Good Ship Tory.
Which in general terms is exactly what people have been saying; behaviour is influenced from the very top – if its ok for Boris and chums to break a few laws then surely its OK for me too. Its a degeneration of society being played out.
The other one is that everyone involved with Boris ends up corrupted.
I actually think that the fact they are desperate to keep that clown in charge shows just how screwed they are. I mean they are taking a huge gamble that the public will forgive him come the next election. Really all the opposition parties need to be pointing out that by voting your local Tory candidate you are saying you are okay about Bozo being in charge.
Lots of words about Little Willy and the Wizard's Sleeve.
I mean they are taking a huge gamble that the public will forgive him come the next election.
The Brexit referendum 2016 and General Election 2019 say otherwise.
The Brexit referendum 2016 and General Election 2019 say otherwise.
There was still a lot of gullible who did not think he was as big a liar as he has proved to be, I think (ok hope) all but the hardest of thinking may be less forgiving, although having said that I will still vote SNP as a lot of the little Englanders cannot be counted on to do the right thing.
Am I the only one who thinks this could be quite a good result?
Short term, of course it's infuriating, but long term this increases the chances of Johnson still being around for the next election. This has genuinely cut through, and a lot of people are pissed off. He might have swung it with the MET, but I don't think the public will be so forgiving (surely?!?).
On the other hand, if Starmers beer turns out to be naughty and he has to go, that could also be seen as a good thing. I'm a big fan, but he'll have done the job of exposing Johnson, moving the labour party on, and they can bring in someone rousing to "finish off the job".
The Tories have always been regarded as ruthless for changing leaders, but they aren't capable of it right now. It might be Labour who can tactically change when needed due to Durham police.
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lotmajority of the little Englanders cannot be counted on to do the right thing
FTFY.
When push comes to shove, in the polling booth it'll be "Labour let in too many forriners" and it will be another Tory win. Irrespective of all the other policies.
HIGNFY may be worth a watch tomorrow
I'm watching but it's bloody awful. Used to love it about 20 years ago.
This was genius, make sure you read the whole thing.
https://twitter.com/kenneale4/status/1527269980500369408?s=21&t=2mDkA91sXR6nh7k8FOQuHw
So, Sue Gray and Johnson apparently had a private meeting to discuss the handling of the 'independent' report...
What new deceased feline will be tossed out tomorrow to ooh a squirrel the chattering classes away from that?
What new deceased feline will be tossed out tomorrow to ooh a squirrel the chattering classes away from that?
I hope Larry isnt accepting any nice treats from Johnson currently.
Sadly once the press get bored people will follow. Even those of us who decide we are above those instincts will ultimately be impacted by it disappearing from the news especially if the next election is a couple of years away.
If you didnt think Johnson was a lying arsehole already its unlikely it will push you pass the edge in all but a handful of, probably, insignificant cases.
Sadly it seems mostly factored in he is a turd although admittedly I have spoken to a couple of people who didnt realise what a shit he is unfortunately they had realised he was enough of a shit not to vote for him.
When push comes to shove, in the polling booth it’ll be “Labour let in too many forriners” and it will be another Tory win. Irrespective of all the other policies.
True, although more than just that;
Labour take all your money
Labour give your money to scroungers
Labour let in too many foreigners
Boris appealed to many as a leader but even though he is not as good as they thought he would be they will still vote tory anyway. The party vote comes above whoever the leader or MP is otherwise we wouldn't have such a shit selection of MPs elected would we.
You lot act suprised about the establishment bully boy ripping through this.
Integrity is old news.
We need a better Labour leader to really take the battle on. Starmer just can't get on point with Johnson's behaviour - because Johnson doesn't give a toss.
Starmer has been too soft for the last two years and all his by the book 'attacks' have come back to haunt him.
I reckon this is why Wes Streeting is now being lined up. If at first centrism fails to take Johnson to task - then look for another answer in the centrist playbook.
Game-over, Johnson has got Labour surrounded.
No idea what the answer is. He has a sword he just doesn't fall on. (Well part of the answers is to properly take the apart in the failure of the economy but not specifically Brexit more the state of living costs.)
We're way beyond conventional politics.
No idea what the answer is. He has a sword he just doesn’t fall on. (Well part of the answers is to properly take the apart in the failure of the economy but not specifically Brexit more the state of living costs.)
Yep, Brexit was a lie a lot of people are prepared to play along with but letting them get hit hard in the pocket isn’t a reality they will like.
Starmers (or his replacement) needs to go on the attack at every opportunity - fines, PPE, cronyism, failing to make Brexit work, one rule for them, call him a liar.
They also need to challenge the Speaker when Boris avoids answering questions at PMQs - his legal training gives him the edge with questioning but without the Speaker holding up his end of the deal it's not exposing the answers. That's high risk, but if the system isn't working and delivering what it should, then the system needs to be improved.
Sue Gray and Johnson apparently had a private meeting to discuss the handling of the ‘independent’ report
On the one hand, I’m not in the slightest bit surprised. On the other, I hope that Ms Gray - as long communicated - really is a person who keeps her integrity. I’m not holding out much hope, I suspect the report will be generalised enough to only inform us of what we already know.
On the brexit issue, we now have the BOE warning of large interest rate increases, food shortages starting again, and house prices are starting to take a downward turn. They’ll be many more people at the bottom end wondering where there next meal is coming from, and many working/middle classes watching their retireent plans turning to dust as Pension values drop and housing equity reduces. We are in for a very harsh decade turning the lower/working/middle back 30-40 yrs, yet in the mean time the UK has more millionaires and billionaires than any time in history.
Asked yesterday if I was looking forward to the privelege of long weekend in Barcelona with mates we have planned, I answered “In the very least it’s a temporary short break from the gloom of the UK".
Thanks Boris Johnson.
So, Sue Gray and Johnson apparently had a private meeting to discuss the handling of the ‘independent’ report…
Which she requested, I think people are understandably jumping to make 2+2=5.
Boris Johnson is Sue Grey’s boss. The idea that her report will be independent is laughable.
Which she requested
Not according to Sue Gray says the News. As always with this current shower of shit, there's a lie.
This entire show is just that. The police have been got to at the higher levels, and more than likely the Sue Grey report will direct the blame elsewhere.
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Boris Johnson being given a fine is a token gesture to the population. Oh look, he's been fined, although it was obvious he'd broken the rules at the time so they couldn't escape that level of scrutiny. So instead of any sort of scathing attack or an appearance in court, they gave him a little fine. Reality is he would probably be facing more than one, but one is good enough to get the spin of it.
He also lied to parliament, which is clear really, but what did parliament do. Nothing. Clear violation, penalty should have been given, and despite the actual proof of it they do sweet F all.
So from this, the Police at higher levels, parliament and probably Sue Grey herself, are not fit to be in charge of anything to do with the political or legal leadership of the UK.
Hang on lads, I've had an idea....
BBC News - Parliament could burn down any day, says Andrea Leadsom
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61526638
Nope, the gray report will be just that.
Watered down and pathetic. Merely being at that meeting tells you all you need to know.
Done deal liars and thieves to an individual.