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Kwasi struggling with the crime questions
Kwasi struggling with the crime questions
Struggling in general with understanding business and economics.
Struggling in general with understanding business and economics.
That's surprising for an Eton King's Scholar who went to Harvard on a Kennedy scholarship and got a PhD in economics at Cambridge and whose father is an economist for the Commonwealth.
Brain fog after Covid perhaps?
whose father is an economist for the Commonwealth
Eton King’s Scholar
Begging your pardon sir, not for the likes of us to question the benefits of an inheritance and an expensive education. Mogg and Kwasi know a lot about how capital can be multiplied, especially if you can get a steer on public policy and regulation, but that doesn’t mean they understand how any productive business works. There’s a very good chance that one or both of them are genuinely highly intelligent, but that doesn’t guarantee experience or understanding of “business” rather than “money”.
Kwasi is another one of those Britannia Unchained MPs who have been elevated to power by Brexit. He wants the rich to be made richer, at the expensive of protections and quality of life for workers. And he’s getting his way. He was a key supporter of the “in plain sight” corruption that Johnson tried to get away with as regards Owen Patterson. He was also a key supporter of Johnson both times he stood to be party leader. His political career should be over if/when Johnson’s is… but I strongly suspect he’ll sidestep the mess and continue to push the UK towards a deregulated low pay lower quality of life country where money can make money, and the less well off facilitate that while doffing their caps and continuing to vote against their own interests.
Corporeal calamity
Is that too body shaming?
"Making money" is business, however you make it. "Understanding what money is" is economics.
He wants the rich to be made richer, at the expensive of protections and quality of life for workers. And he’s getting his way.
Well if he's getting his way it suggests that understanding business and economics isn't particularly important.
I'm not sure that Kwasi has benefited from "an inheritance and an expensive education" btw, King's Scholar and Kennedy scholarship suggests not necessarily, at least not expensive for his parents.
So the latest pitch from another Brixiteer half-wit coming out to bat for Johnson is that yes, this unholy mess is all of Boris’s own making, but that means we should give him the opportunity to sort it out
https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1490281659614306309?s=21
I think we can file that with Nadine’s ‘helpful’ contributions
Presumably then all he has to do when he runs out of his own messes to fix is make some new ones and hey presto, he gets some more time!
That seems to be the gist of it, yes
Genius really
A self-perpetuating, rolling shambles
I shared a clip of a certain Boris Johnson telling us that this was his plan… keep throwing gaff after gaff (his choice of words) and the media stay busy, the public tire and move on, continually… while the perpetrators just keep gliding on… every now and then it looks like this plan is getting to the point of running out… but then it doesn’t. There were plenty of “this is his last chance” type quotes and comments on TV and radio this morning, but it isn’t is it? They’ll be many more last chances yet to come.
His entire life has been one long, rolling series of last chances
I wonder how many other people could be sacked for dishonesty on multiple occasions and simply grift on to the next highly remunerated position?
He really does single-handedly personify everything that's wrong with the UK, its entitled elite and the gilded lives they lead
Couldn't resist linking to this, Mad Nad deserves her own thread really, so let's not give her one..
Still no word on this much publicized police investigation, it’s all gone a bit quiet.
Dick has already said words to the effect it's not a quick job that will take a few months. Even if the Police aren't complicit, No10 can bury them in 'evidence' under the pretence of "working fully with the Police". The longer the drag it out the less people will care when it finally arrives.
If Johnson somehow survives the next few weeks, he could even call an early GE in 2023 to beat the end of the investigation, it's the sort of thing he'd do, gamble on a better result for him personally, even if it means a greater risk for his party.
Urgh, that Nadine Dories spoof really nails her attitude. Are these people really the best and brightest we could put charge of the country? So depressing.
Are these people really the best and brightest
No.
That wasn't really the [ Brexit ] selection criteria.
Here's Brexit campaigner, Nadine Dorris, on May's "Brexit deal"....
https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1063844000766021632?s=20&t=30zUdADrXCC1F2jMMee29g
Time for a remake of that 1971 Play for Today: Nade, the inebriate woman
Doesn't matter how bright you are, if you are put in front of the cameras to defend the indefensible that necessarily means you're going to have to produce some weird and fanciful answers. That's 'politics' innit and Kwarteng has exemplified it. More worrying is the police not identifying fraud as a crime to investigate. How low can we go?
Presumably then all he has to do when he runs out of his own messes to fix is make some new ones and hey presto, he gets some more time!
That's his plan and it seems to be working. I knew he would get away with all of this somehow and this is the technique that is working.
How low can we go?
They always say they're World Beating at everything, we're on course to see how much lowered can go than anyone else and there's seemingly nothing to stop them doing so. It's all just far too depressing.
If Johnson somehow survives the next few weeks
50p says he does.
When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn’t become a king. The palace becomes a circus
https://twitter.com/FinancialTimes/status/1490679262449475585
Its always interesting to see what articles the FT leaves outside the pay wall.
EDIT Try clicking through the tweet if the URL is paywalled
I like your thinking, but it is behind the paywall for me (but you can always get round the FT paywall by Googling the article title and clicking through direct).
Couldn’t resist linking to this, Mad Nad deserves her own thread really, so let’s not give her one..
Off topic, but Sooz Kempner is a Dick.
So [url= https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60289339 ]according to the Beeb[/url] BoJo has been singing "I will survive" to his new advisor. Here's some lyrics for you Boris:
Go on now, go, walk out the door
Just turn around now
'Cause you're not welcome anymore
He should have changed the ****ing lock then, shouldn't he, the idiot.
BoJo has been singing “I will survive” to his new advisor.
Who still, somehow, is prepared to say that he isn't a total clown...
I don't understand why he would sing lines from it to his newly appointed Comms chief. It's basically three verses of telling someone to piss off.
^ now that is funny. #MadNad
I don’t understand why he would sing lines from it to his newly appointed Comms chief
150,000 failed to survive so good on him for celebrating that he's still here. If I was his comms chief I'd think that was a really good thing to get out there.
Lord, she make Truss look superb on camera.
Nadz is savage. I'm voting her for PM
We were just talking today about people who fall into the unenviable position of having to try and defend the indefensible, although our discussion was regarding a woman friend of ours who's husband is just a knob, not the PM.
I guess at least Doris's defenders are getting paid (one way or the other) for their efforts, so no sympathy needed there.
Yep, Nadz for PM.
GoNadz!
This is what happens when that moron legitimises far right conspiracy theories by repeating them as fact, when they’re utter nonsense. Mimicking Trump in courting fascist thugs
https://twitter.com/davidlammy/status/1490761739759194117?s=21
He really is an utter disgrace of a human being
Chris Bryant is absolutely livid about this on channel 4 news now. He has every right to be
Chris Bryant was visibly upset and rightly, it’s not even 4 months since David Amess was murdered by an extremist.
It's the thin edge of the wedge.
A couple of years of this and you end up with the scenes we saw at the Capitol building Washington.
The speaker needs to intervene on this and force a significant apology.
^^One of the many things I find depressing about where our country is right now, is that we can see what's coming just by looking toward America.
Amazingly "we" actually seem to want to head in that direction with our own Fox News knock off etc. and politicians actively courting the far right and conspiracy nuts.
We can see where it's taking America and we are dead set on following.😟
FFS the guy in that video actually mentions Magna Carta. It would be funny if it wasn't so sinister.
FFS the guy in that video actually mentions Magna Carta. It would be funny if it wasn’t so sinister.
I've had enough of these idiots. The "why aren't you opposing the government" bollix directed at a man who achieved more in opposing the government than his predecessor strikes me as particularly deranged.
S'alright - Johnson has tweeted how disgraceful the behaviour of the 'protesters' was...
grum
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FFS the guy in that video actually mentions Magna Carta. It would be funny if it wasn’t so sinister.
Ah, but that's a "thing" now you see.
I can't find it or remember its name but there was an article on the BBC site about a conspiracy theory/cult that started in America in the 90's and has taken off over here in the past decade or so. The Magna Carta is something often cited by its members, amongst other things.
Wish I could find the article as yes, there is some very dark thinking behind this "new" conspiracy/cult.
Edit:
This isn't the article but it's these guys. They are considered a terror threat in the US. If I find the BBC article they are probably worth their own thread as they are particularly deluded/dangerous... and they are over here too.
^^ I couldn't resist starting a thread.
Chris Bryant was visibly upset and rightly, it’s not even 4 months since David Amess was murdered by an extremist.
Starmer needs to make Johnson squirm on a stake at this this weeks PMQs
Ex Conservative Councillor (& probably mate of Alexander dePJ) in heckling the Labour leadership shocker . . . .
Not a word about it on front pages of torygraph and sun.
Mail and express not in yet.
Johnson's not going, is he....? He'll hang on and everyone will have stopped foaming about this current shitshow because you'll be foaming about the new shitshow.
#bemorefrench
I think It's all about the by-elections in May now.
I still think there is a chance of a VONC soon... But he'll win it then limp into the elections.👍
GoNadz!
I missed that.😆
I knew James Blunt would be useful for something one day. ;o)
https://twitter.com/JamesBlunt/status/1490785719664664576?s=20&t=MeSgcQr_IL3d07xaWHlsBQ
Johnson can’t pretend that he doesn’t understand the effects of his lie/slur about Starmer made under the cover of parliamentary privilege. His team told him in private, and some resigned and repeated their concerns in public. Now his MPs are telling him in public…
https://twitter.com/tobias_ellwood/status/1490785849461460992?s=21
Ironically it does seem that these absolute p****s have now shifted focus back on to Johnson just as he was hoping to move on from all the recent turmoil.
One small silver lining.
I knew James Blunt would be useful for something one day. ;o)
If I were the incumbent at No 10, it wouldn't be so much the worry of James Blunt and his mates turning up as such, but the existential dread that they could bring a guitar and a sound system.
"Not a word about it on front pages of torygraph and sun.
Mail and express not in yet."
Was 2nd story on the Mail online earlier, (interestingly with no comments section), The mail has been sitting on the fence, turning one way then the other for the last few months. There's a bit of a power struggle going on internally at that rag.
With the Telegraph, Spectator etc, right now I don't think it matters wether they report on things or not. Their problem is that their readership is intelligent enough to know that they are being lied to, not just by the government but by their publication of choice as well.
It's obvious that the staffers at those papers knew about the parties (and the procurement corruption) when they happened, so therefore much of what they have written over the last two years will be seen by their readership as disingenuous, misinformative and even manipulative. They know they are being made fools of and are paying a subscription for the privilege.
Not on front pages of either mail or express - how depressingly predictable.
mail has been sitting on the fence, turning one way then the other for the last few months. There’s a bit of a power struggle going on internally at that rag.
It's been bizarre to watch for sure.
One minute building him (BJ) up, the next pouring scorn on him.
I wonder what the average DM reader thinks of that?
(I'm not going for the obvious dig in that last sentence.)
Yeah, the vacillations at the DM are interesting. Dacre is apparently back, but the DMG group has been de-listed from the stock exchange and has been bought by Rothermere Continuation Ltd. No surprises as to where the new holding company is based.
There's two sorts of average daily mail reader, the online version is geared to a younger audience and has built an international profile.
The battle seems to be new skool versus old school. It looked like the brand was going to shift towards the online model, then Dacre came back which was a bit of a shock, even to those who worked there.
My guess is that the old guard came to the conclusion that Brexit was done and the current administration were going to stay in power for ever. They thought that they could drag the newer online audience into the more even more skanky cesspit that is the print version.
Right now I'm not sure the Mail is sure who their average reader is. I think the discussion behind the door is about who their future audience might be, the danger being that they alienate new audiences by being indistinguishable from the Daily Express.
When Tobias Elwood states ‘we are better than this’ he’s either deluded or hopelessly naive. Johnson isn’t ‘better than this’ in the slightest.
Far from it. This is his level. In the gutter. And every day he remains as PM he drags the rest of them down there with him, just as Trump does with all the republicans who still refuse to condemn him, despite everything he’s done
Would anyone be remotely surprised if instead of apologising at PMQ’s tomorrow, instead Johnson doubles down and uses Parliamentary privilege to repeat the slur?
I know which I think is the safer bet
Elwood has already called for him to go last week.
"If I were the incumbent at No 10, it wouldn’t be so much the worry of James Blunt and his mates turning up as such, but the existential dread that they could bring a guitar and a sound system.
Fair point.
When you find yourself agreeing with Ellwood, the world really has gone nuts.
Is sofa's arguement really, he brought up parties I wasn't at (although did attend but thought it was work) so I brought up something he didn't do.
S’alright – Johnson has tweeted how disgraceful the behaviour of the ‘protesters’ was…
He'll be saying there are good and bad on both side next.
He’ll be saying there are good and bad on both side next.
The Trump response to accuse the violent fascist mob of being infiltrated by anti-fascist protesters and it was solely them that caused the violence...
https://twitter.com/Helenspicer15/status/1490763300518387729?t=mdpVBPvA1kEBnshR9y6GjQ&s=19
My letter to my MP
Please can you make sure that Mr Johnson is not let anywhere near a conversation with Mr Putin.
His " oh so funny" quips resulted in Mr Starmer being mobbed by a bunch of his thugs.
An "oh so funny " quip to Mr Putin will result in getting us all killed.
Your prime minister is a dangerous lunatic. Please do all you can to remove him
Keep chipping away people.
Bit ironic that Boris sent Rolf Harris out to harass Keir Starmer about Jimmy Saville.
That guy's a nadty piece of work.
Chris Philp (a minister who has the good fortune to be working for Dorris) on Radio4 spinning on the head of a pin... the PM did nothing wrong linking Savile to Starmer in parliament, using parliamentary privilege to avoid defamation laws... but his words could be "misconstrued" by some to have meant what he said.
I just listened to that. The whole 'yeah but no but....' position is an insult to the intelligence of anyone with anything between their ears, but then that's not the target market, is it?
This is a dog whistle to the Brexity flag-waving, hard-of-thinking base.
The way these ministers are being sent out to spin this, its obviously now policy to keep repeating it (in very carefully couched language). I now fully expect Johnson to abuse parliamentary privilege once again tomorrow to double down and repeat it in full
What needs to happen now is for Lindsey Hoyle to actually grow a pair and boot the **** out of parliament if he does, and for those Tory MP's who are voicing (virtue signalling?) their apparent distaste with this, grow a pair and get those letters in. Put their money where their mouths are, otherwise they're just as complicit
for those Tory MP’s who are voicing (virtue signalling?) their apparent distaste with this, grow a pair and get those letters in.
Why not, then withdraw it a week later and get a knighthood
I now think Johnson wants to force a Tory VoNC, before the reports come out, then he is safe.
I really hope this is doing everlasting damage to the Tory party but based on those I know who are Tory voters I really don't think it has. I still hear, yeah but Labour would be worse all the **** time! Oh and the Telegraph is a "balanced" paper, I can't find a big enough laughing emoticon for that.
I really hope this is doing everlasting damage to the Tory party but based on those I know who are Tory voters I really don’t think it has.
There are enough right-wing "agencies" (for want of a better word) ranging from the out-and-out far-right consipracy groups like QAnon to mainstream media like the Daily Mail to much more friendly-seeming "community" groups (all those One<Borough> things that have sprung up to protest against Low Traffic Neighbourhoods are a good example) subtly spreading disinformation, spin etc to normalise BJ's behaviour, distract from it, demonise Labour, promote Tory.
Brexit comes into it too; he "got Brexit done", the will of the people blah blah whereas Labour, the traitorous bastards, wanted another referendum how undemocratic of them ignoring the will of the people like some sort of elitist rabble!
Third letter (email) sent to my MP in as many weeks. They're declining in their civility.
He responded to the first, not since.
Third letter (email) sent to my MP in as many weeks. They’re declining in their civility.
He responded to the first, not since.
I still think people with a Tory MP should email whether they get a reply or not as I think they will still judge what their constituents think of them and 'may' act accordingly. So if you have a Tory MP get him emailed.
I now think Johnson wants to force a Tory VoNC, before the reports come out, then he is safe.
An interesting piece of gossip has it that several supporters of Johnson have submitted letters to the 1922 committee, ready to withdraw them when the numbers of letters gets to the required tipping point.
What needs to happen now is for Lindsey Hoyle to actually grow a pair
I understand the balance and tradition involved in the Speakers role, but letting Boris and others get away with lies and slander and avoiding answering the questions is pathetic and undermining public confidence in petitions and Parliament, which feeds extremists on all sides.
I'd love Starmer to - repeatedly if necessary - ask the Speaker to make Boris answer the question asked and not spin some random "got Covid done" bollocks. Force the leader of the country to answer a straight question.
I still hear, yeah but Labour would be worse all the **** time!
While unlikely it is difficult to actually argue against as in theory they could be worse.