Johnson has tarnished himself & as Ernie points out he is brilliant at taking credit where its not due, but he does seem exceptionally bad at handling crises at each one that arises reduces his credibility that bit more.
2 byelections next month will be a test but no chance of overturning a 40% majority in either.
The danger comes from within his own party, especially if he cuts off their 2nd job/consultancy incomes. And if the red wall new intake of MPs feel he is endangering their much smaller majorities
Levelling up? Quite the reverse.
(higher score = greater inequality):
UK Gini index score
2019/20 36.3%
2018/19 34.7%
2017/18 34.4%
2016/17 33.4%
and a rather useful lesson to learn.
Given his history of being investigated and fired from pretty all his other employment and that having precisely zero effect on his his life thus far. I don't expect much reflection from him
fired from pretty all his other employment
Let's not start all this 'Johnson is a moronic halfwit' nonsense again.
Edit : Yes Johnson is noted for his blunders, which have dogged his professional life, but he has a clear ability to come out of the shit smelling of roses.
The man who was humiliatingly sacked from the Tory Front Bench for a stupid mistake ended up becoming Tory Prime Minister.
Dismiss it all as luck if you want and remain in denial but it is precisely that underestimation of Johnson which has served him so well.
Never trust a **** who combs his hair with a balloon.
"Dismiss it all as luck if you want and remain in denial but it is precisely that underestimation of Johnson which has served him so well."
the difference now is that he is on the big stage. its much harder for him to hide now and when he does f-up, a lot more people see it. He cant (keep on) fool(ing) all of the people, all of the time.
Dismiss it all as luck if you want and remain in denial but it is precisely that underestimation of Johnson which has served him so well.
He's sold an image all his life and largely done it well, but sales are dropping off sharply.
It’s Ok everyone we have an anti-corruption Czar as well, his name is John Penrose
And guess how he voted in the Paterson/ Committee on Standards votes?!
the difference now is that he is on the big stage. its much harder for him to hide now and when he does f-up, a lot more people see it.
Sure they do. I wouldn't be dismissive of his talents as a vacillating opportunitist though.
I don't expect the Paterson cockup to be his undoing, but we will see soon enough whether it has a lasting effect.
The sure way of destroying Johnson's political career is through an effective opposition, which really shouldn't be a moon on a stick.
In that respect at least Johnson has been unbelievably lucky.
I also expect some sort of rebound in his fortunes depending on how this winter goes with Covid etc. However, I think his high water mark has now been reached and there will be more setbacks to come. He just can't help himself, then there will inevitably be some not of his own making for a change.
I still have more "faith" in his party getting rid of him that the electorate though, which is a shameful thing to have to say.
It's fair to say that ITV New at Ten isn't portraying Boris as having a great day.😁
Climbing down on Article 16 I see, even Johnson is self aware enough to realise triggering a trade war right now is not the best plan
Boris was a vote winner at the last election, in the red wall seats in particular. Got Brexit done, high japes, whizzo laugh, few off-colour jokes and job’s a good’un. DomCum sat behind the curtain to keep it vaguely on track. Majority secured and increased, thanks a lot.
Now the curtain’s back, the wizard’s been sacked. And Boris has been revealed as a nasty self-serving, rule adjusting snout in the trough at our expense and he’s laughing at us all because he doesn’t care. And he’s not even good at the job to keep his own people on side.
I feel so sorry for the party – he’s a liability in office, and any of the names lining up would be a more competent leader or PM than him. But would the red wall vote for them? Such a problem, poor tories.
No but we have.
And Boris sent out on to QT tonight … *checks notes*… junior employment minister minister Mims Davies.
Who?
Seems even Kwasi or Grant weren’t up for taking a bullet for the flytipped sofa tonight. Maybe after the last couple of weeks there aren’t too many volunteers
Victoria Derbyshire skewering 2019 intake Tory MP over high speed rail: https://twitter.com/vicderbyshire/status/1461326433847058440
Not lying down in front of that bulldozer seems to have paid off…
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-flew-luxury-freebie-25491998
It's a bit sad that people who's soul responsibility is hitting a ball with a bit of wood are being sacked for things they said or fancy dress decisions they made ten to fifteen years ago (I'm not condoning racism or sexism but teen-agers often say and do stupid things for effect or which they think will impress their mates rather than what they truly believe).
At the same time no-one seems to be able to hold the PM for things he said were promises a few weeks or months ago.
Be interesting to see how Johnson is polling in those red wall seats
https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1461599173439111171?t=luA3aI6J2HO2ZXxZXsBDvw&s=19
Johnson's sales pitch in 2019 was that he'd get things done. So far that's Social Care, Brexit, "Levelling Up" all fluffed. Whether that means that the new Tory northern seats will turn back to Labour remains to be seen.
Victoria Derbyshire skewering 2019 intake Tory MP over high speed rail
Slightly OT, but is it common to mute the audio from interviewees? I've not seen that before, but I don't often watch TV news these days.
Assume that Johnson is gone within a year - either because the Tory press are after him or because he wants to spend more time with his money.
Who's going to replace him? The talent in cabinet is not impressive.
What would be the point in it being someone currently in the cabinet?
I think it would be a run off between Sunak and Hunt when it gets to the members.
I think it would be a run off between Sunak and Hunt when it gets to the members.
Hunt has been out of the cabinet throughout the pandemic, and quietly sniping from the Health Committee, so I think he may be the next Tory leader
Whilst I don't like his politics, he is at least vaguely competent and statesmanlike.
Also not tainted by being in this Cabinet
#leastworstoption.
Maybe
Dories
Be interesting to see how Johnson is polling in those red wall seats
Won't make any difference, the "Red Wall" seats voted Tory on account of Brexit and durty asylum-seaking forriners taking are jobs, not because they wanted a fast rail line to London.
not because they wanted a fast rail line to London
It’s not a “fast rail line to London” they were promised, it was new lines linking up major cities in the North with each other so that they could become an alternative economic power house rather than everything being about London and its satellite regions. They have just reversed direction and made new rail infrastructure all about London. Connections between Leeds, Bradford, Sheffield to each other and to cities east, west and north of them have been dumped. Just 2 miles of new track will be laid in Yorkshire now, with investment slashed here while continued investment in areas far away (in journey time) is sold to us as being beneficial to us. Without additional capacity here, industry will have to continue to rely on road freight for expansion, and commuters will be pushed into driving. And when decarbonisation properly kicks in, Yorkshire and the wider north will be at a huge disadvantage to regions across Europe that have a new modern high capacity rail network ready to take the strain.
Red Wall” seats voted Tory on account of Brexit and durty asylum-seaking forriners taking are jobs
Why what happened in 2019 to make "red wall" voters think that when apparently they weren't thinking it in 2017?
Or is this simply another example of just how clueless some people are about what motivates voters in the once Labour Heartlands?
And also helps to explain why the Labour Party is equally clueless?
I do wonder exactly what it is going to take to bring this Gov't down. This lot make Maggie & the Major years look like sunlit uplands.
https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1461738343847407623
Some of them are idiots, for example, they think they are doing better under the Torries because there is now three food banks locally where as under labour there was only the one!🤦
the self-pwns keep coming
streissand effect in full effect
https://twitter.com/MikeHolden42/status/1461750929619927040
explained well here
https://twitter.com/TheNewEuropean/status/1461686492754067456
Richie_B
Full MemberIt’s a bit sad that people who’s soul responsibility is hitting a ball with a bit of wood are being sacked for things they said or fancy dress decisions they made ten to fifteen years ago (I’m not condoning racism or sexism but teen-agers often say and do stupid things for effect or which they think will impress their mates rather than what they truly believe).
At the same time no-one seems to be able to hold the PM for things he said were promises a few weeks or months ago.
It's the way of the world now isn't it. Look at the US, where a man who played the president on TV lost his career over sexual assaults but the actual president gained popularity for the same thing.
Why what happened in 2019 to make “red wall” voters think that when apparently they weren’t thinking it in 2017?
Oh, come on. Do you really think that the Tories taking northern seats in 2019 was anything other than a proxy vote on Brexit?
Brexit and "durty asylum-seaking forriners taking are jobs" according to you.
But what you fail to explain is why two years earlier the "red wall" seats didn't go Tory.
I don't think anyone will claim that brexit wasn't an issue in 2017 so are you saying that dirty asylum-seeking foreigners wasn't?
What happened in just two years that made asylum-seeking foreigners such an election issue that people whose families had voted Labour for a hundred years switched to the Tories?
Something hugely monumental must have occurred to make asylum seeking such an issue in just two years.
And why didn't brexit make these people vote Tory in 2017?
Btw I love the way you spell dirty, seeking, and foreigners, as how you imagine thick uneducated working-class voters would spell those words. Very amusing. 🙂
Btw I love the way you spell dirty, seeking, and foreigners, as how you imagine thick uneducated working-class voters would spell those words. Very amusing. 🙂
Let me correct you:
Btw I love the way you spell dirty, seeking, and foreigners, as how you imagine thick uneducated racists would spell those words. Very amusing. 🙂
Whether they're working-class or not has nothing to do with it.
Thank you for your correction.
Now can you explain why over the period of two years the "red wall", according to you, became "racist"?
Bearing in mind that in 2017 the so-called red wall seats returned Labour MPs.
What catastrophic event caused such a sudden change?
Edit : btw I find it reassuring to learn that educated racists know how to spell correctly.
Oh dear, it's not getting any better for bozo the clown; article in tomorrow's observer - it's online but I can't link to it - about Jennifer Arcuri now making her diaries with contemporaneous entries about johnson and his relationship with her available to the GLA ethics committee and agreeing to be interviewed by them but only in the US.
It really couldn't happen to a more deserving bloke; arf arf.
I’m still puzzled as to how someone who used sexual favours to obtain £126000 from a public official has a choice about how, when and even whether she submits evidence which she holds.
I consider anyone who holds racist views to be fundamentally uneducated.
I consider anyone who holds racist views to be fundamentally uneducated.
Nice to see the thread return to Boris.
reluctant - thanks.
I actually hope this doesn't sink him but further damages him such that the next 'revelations' push him, visibly, closer to the edge.
What I want is for him to be seen to fall apart in full view of the public.
On top of that, I have no doubt his current Mrs will thoroughly rinse and humiliate him.
Riks - fair point but the objective and target is johnson, not ths fortunate recipient of undeserved public funds; she tarted herself
so I have no sympathy for either her or him.
So what's her objective?
She got (undeserved) funding; he used her and moved on; he's tried to airbrush her out of his history.
I think she's out to destroy his (current) vision of 'domestic bliss'; humiliate him publicly and see him crash'n'burn.
That gets my 100% support.
The issue is
corrupt/questionable behaviour by bozo and using public funds to buy sexual favours. Sure, Arcuri is 'guilty' of procuring favours but this is all on johnson.
I really hope his end is slow, painful and humiliating (for him), very public and final - not bothered if it's literal or metaphorical but the former is much preferred.
