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He said at the time ‘Complete nonsense.
Not his fault. He was being threatened by a chocolate eclair that if he didnt deny it the doughnuts would be round for a chat.
It always surprises me that for someone who lies so much he is so crap at it. Then again I guess he has been allowed to get away with it in the past so never actually needed to develop the ability to lie well.
He was being threatened by a chocolate eclair that if he didnt deny it the doughnuts would be round for a chat.
Presumably they'd all be wearing baklavas?
I thought Kirsty Wark missed a trick last night when JRM used aword to describe the situation that I’d never even heard or new existed.
Kirsty work is a friendly shill for the current government,
Ah, Perchy, how we've tira-missed-u.
From what I’ve read on the BBC site and those emails, he hasn’t prioritised the evacuation of animals over humans, he’s just approved for them to be evacuated. Or am I missing the point?
Doesn’t the email just say the vets and their dependents should be considered at risk?
Doesn’t the email just say the vets and their dependents should be considered at risk?
There are a couple of emails which arent overly clear especially as they also refer to other charities.
Its this one which says "their staff and animals"
It always surprises me that for someone who lies so much he is so crap at it. Then again I guess he has been allowed to get away with it in the past so never actually needed to develop the ability to lie well.
I honestly don't believe he even thinks before opening his mouth.
He doesn't listen to the question, he just knows that when the person opposite him stops talking, it's Boris Time. Previously, Boris Time would involve him propping up the bar at uni or at some posh after-dinner do where he could say anything he wanted and get guffaws of sycophantic laughter.
He doesn't have a clue what he's talking about, he doesn't care. He doesn't answer the question, he says what he wants to say regardless of whether it's the truth, some sort of Boris version of the truth or complete fabricated bollocks and regardless of what relevance it has to the question.
Hmmm, I’m all for Boris being taken to task for his lies, but not sure this isn’t a case of trying to jump on a bandwagon.
There is nothing in that last email either that says prioritise animals other humans.
The tweet saying PM authorised pets before people, but the email doesn’t say that.
I’d rather not dilute the real lies with what appears to be something that can be proven to be a witch hunt.
he’s just approved for them to be evacuated. Or am I missing the point?
A bit - last month the official line was "At no point did the prime minister intervene."
Now we see it was actually: "In light of the PM’s decision earlier today to evacuate the staff of the Nowzad animal charity...."
So it doesn't necessarily prove he wanted to prioritise one over the other, but it does show that he did intervene, and lied about it.
he’s just approved for them to be evacuated
Which, he said he didn’t do.
It's just an illustration of how lying is reflexive for him. He just says the first thing that comes into his head to deflect.
eg
https://twitter.com/Kishan_Devani/status/1486330132226887680
Yeah sorry, I can see that now.
But think we should be clear on the wording, it’s not that he prioritised pets, it’s the fact that he had said he did not intervene when he did.
It seems the tweets are saying the issue isn’t just the lie, it’s the fact he prioritised the animals.
Ah, a man whose grasp on reality is so tenuous that he even lies when telling the truth would be the best course of action for him.
Was it ambuscade, or something? In place of ambush?
Close. It was Ambushcake.
👏🏼
I’m sadly coming to the conclusion that delay & obfuscation has worked & he’s going to get away with this.
If you mean keep his job title for now... absolutely. But his own popularity with the public, and voting intentions as regards his party, are damaged for good. He can recover... but he'll never have a huge lead over the alternatives again. If he can win the next General Election with a majority of one, rather than 80.... he'll be doing very well.
The entire political arena in the uk is a complete joke now. there is no honour.
But its not really about how disreputable the average lying brass necked politician is. The real issue in this is how the police choose to act. It's their reputation thats on the line from where im sitting.
They and the prosecution service cannot claim that although the law has been broken, it is not in the public interest to charge,try and convict Johnson, when the public are outraged by his(and others) actions.
They do nothing is tantamount to the police and prosecution services saying there's a law for the elite and a law for everyone else.
It is throwing the "Nobody is above the law" straight down the toilet.
You have a better opinion of the public than me………
Once this is off the front pages, it’s just normal business.
They are already claiming that only BoJo could have lead us so spectacularly through Brexit & Covid.
I can see him refusing to go, even if he is charged and prosecuted (and made to pay a fine). So much of the expected behaviour of our leaders in the UK relies entirely on their honour, and the honour of the MPs they need to support him. Why would he go, just because he broke the law and lied in parliament to cover it up? Don't mention the Ministerial Code... he can just ignore all that if his MPs allow him to... and I think we're about to be shown that the vast majority of them will.
They are already claiming that only BoJo could have lead us so spectacularly through Brexit & Covid.
Which I think is true. Its just I would insert a "badly" in there.
I think the daily hate are a bit concerned that the damage is starting to leak to the tories as a whole so are trying to dial things back and also see the chance to pressure him to do the stuff they love. Wont stop them stabbing him in the back, side and front if it seems best though.
We chose badly...
The question was whether Johnson intervened
Which he denied, but the emails definitely imply otherwise
And now...
https://twitter.com/KateEMcCann/status/1486434102127607810?t=3AMFH96i5lZq4BxyAPlT7Q&s=19
I almost forgot he'd been one of the worst Foreign Secretaries in the last 50 years as well. Quite the cv.
Kirsty work is a friendly shill for the current government,
Not really - she gives everyone a hard time. Was it Peter Bone the other night who got an utter kicking from her?
She is not like Kuenssberg who is a tory shill
This pet rescue thing must have been Carrie Antoinette's idea?
Does anyone think Bojo gives a toss about animals?
Peter Bone puts his foot in his mouth so often he is perfectly capable of giving himself a good kicking. He needs no assistance.
More trying to prove he really is a proper Tory **** to shore up support with the base after his disastrous performance as PM:
Meanwhile, they have scrapped the New Enterprise Allowance which helped unemployed or underemployed people either set up self employed businesses or develop existing ones - with no replacement in the pipeline.
It was funded by the EU btw, so another Brexit dividend to add to the list.
Focus group from Bury on Newsnight was depressing, outrage at Johnson for his parties & lies, but a lot of blame on the media for reporting it too much & not letting him get on with his job- even though his job seems to be changing the rules to get his mate off a corruption charge, constantly breaking his own rules, scrounging money off donors for holidays, wallpaper & childcare, constantly partying & telling lots & lots of lies.
I can see him refusing to go, even if he is charged and prosecuted (and made to pay a fine). So much of the expected behaviour of our leaders in the UK relies entirely on their honour, and the honour of the MPs they need to support him. Why would he go, just because he broke the law and lied in parliament to cover it up? Don’t mention the Ministerial Code… he can just ignore all that if his MPs allow him to… and I think we’re about to be shown that the vast majority of them will.
Well tbh they were attempting to get rid of that annoying ministerial code before scooby doo turned up.
Or make it more more compatible to their whims.
I think this is the most dangerous government we’ve ever had, they truly don’t give a f.. for the public.
When they said ‘take back control’ they meant it.
@grum - that is depressing reading. Having experienced the UC system recently then that rule would have meant me getting sanctioned for not taking any job available 4 weeks before my first payment. They're trying to set the system up to fail the users before they even think about accessing it.
If Johnson isn't gone by the end of February at the latest then the whole country is essentially ****ed.
Delay the Gray and ramp up reporting on Ukraine,if it kicks off he’s out of the woods :-(.
I think he’s in an untenable position, but this bloke falls up.
Not sure what the good work he’s done is thou that people seem to say.
I’d say rack up a massive lot of unnecessary deaths and bills.
It’s like Game of Thrones.
I don't think he can go up against Russia. They have something like 100k troops near the border with Ukrain right now. That is something like 50% more than the ENTIRE STANDING BRITISH ARMY. He knows that sending troops there to fight alongside Ukraine would just mean they get to come home in bodybags.
London is also a lucrative place for Russia to do business and play. "Three beards" Lebedev is a friend of his and he (Johnson) likely knows that Putin has dirt on him, so I genuinely doubt he'll do anything other than bluster about sending troops. Weapons, sure. Training, yeah. First sign of trouble?
I don’t think he can go up against Russia
It's not really about numbers though.
There was a US report that was highlighted yesterday that stated that the UK is not expected to assist against Russia due to the Russian influence on the conservative party and the substantial amount of russian mony in London, to the extent it is called 'Londongrad'
I'll see if I can find the twitter link,
edit.
https://twitter.com/patrickwintour/status/1486245779182399488
Also in the times today, but need to register so I've not read it:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/its-not-germany-but-britain-that-is-barring-effective-sanctions-on-putin-dxs3fdqm2
No, it is. Russia has technology too. It has tanks (waaaaay more than we do) and artillery, all the things that we and the Ukraine trrops lack. And they have numbers. And they have more numbers to the north in Belarus. And they have special forces and separatists in Donetsk (allegedly).
Ultimately, it is all about numbers, because you have to be lucky all the time, they only have to be luck a few times.
I’d say rack up a massive lot of unnecessary deaths and bills.
It’s like Game of Thrones.
You're giving him too much credit. He's like Zapp Brannigan at best
And apparently ‘train’ing in more by the day.
Bluster may be enough thou, Borisworld doesn’t seem to have a relationship related to actual results/reality.
This * needs a proper slap (sorry but it's true). He was on the news after PMQs yesterday banging on about 'captain hindsight'. How any self respecting member of parliament can bring themselves to use a phrase which belongs in the schoolyard is beyond me. FFS MPs are supposed to be serious people. This ahole typifies everything that is wrong with politics today.
https://twitter.com/BillyVacant/status/1486453634862829570?s=20
Its school bully level stuff but on which planet does he think he is in a position to make fat jokes?
So... new target to shore up support... the unemployed. So very predictable. Yes, it will work.
Urgh
Caught a bit of the news on TV earlier (can’t remember which channel) and they were hinting that the Grey report will lean towards blaming civil servants for not giving Boris clear guidance.
Absolutely sickening if true.
Blackford is a good contender for "bloke most likely to start a fight in a pub."
Can you imagine him with a few pints in him?
Blackford is a good contender for “bloke most likely to start a fight in a pub.”
After that fat joke I was really hoping he'd march across the chamber and stick one on Johnson. Given how much the tories have debased politics it really wouldn't have been out of order. It really is about time labour and the SNP showed some fight rather than turning the other cheek and soaking up the lies and abuse.
I wonder how many Conservative voters would vote for Putin if given the chance?
We have to Remember that although many here see Putin as a bogeyman, for many he is a role model. Certainly for Trump and I can't see a single thing that Johnson has done that wouldn't meet with Vlad's approval.
It's worthwhile remembering that Russia didn't move from communism to Putinism, The new Russian constitution held firm(ish) for a few electoral terms until Putin managed to rewrite the constitution. I'm just waiting for a Tory to describe Russia as a democracy when interviewed...
And with the numbers thing, it's worthwhile reminding our flag waving patriots here at home that for every Briton that died in the war, 50 Russians died.
The West's position on Ukraine is barely even posturing, we are spectators to events and when you listen to Ukranian Ministers tàlk you realise that they know it too.
For the general public in the west there isn't even a frame of reference within which to understand the situation, history complicates the situation way beyond any simple cold war analogy, what's going on there seems more like Brexit with bullets.
The West’s position on Ukraine is barely even posturing
Ukraine thread??
I think I’ll join the Tory party an get a Tory Card,if ever stopped by anyone querying your behaviour just flash them it, that’ll do nicely sir.
It’s like a new American Express card,the card that signifys the rules don’t apply to you.
I see that the Tories are throwing more 'red meat' to their base to try and shore up 'Big Dog'.
So you now have to take 'any' job on offer within 4 weeks or your entitlement to benefits stops
https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1486652612711792642?s=20
This was so utterly predictable once they'd sent all the immigrants home, because...erm... Brexit.
So it now doesn't matter what your actual job is, what you're trained and qualified in, that fruit isn't going to pick itself.
I'm sure that this won't at all be ruthlessly exploited by unscrupulous employers. Which I suppose is the whole point
Another step closer to the reintroduction of the Workhouse
Yeah, I noticed this.
Of course the DWP have never caused any deaths from imposing them with utter contempt for those most at need.
dazh
This **** needs a proper slap (sorry but it’s true).
You can see him in much of the PMQs session this week, just making loud noises in the background with his big mouth flapping about.
Looked proper yobbish.
What annoys me about the speaker of the house is he repeatedly makes threats to remove people who shout & disrupt, but then never actually does it.
He's like the teacher who always threatens to kick you out of class, but never does.
He needs to stop proceedings one day, point people out & tell them to leave; then not allow the session to restart until they have gone.
He's about as likely to do that as he is to tell Johnson to actually answer the question he's been asked rather than just banging on about vaccination programmes
Apparently the yob mp is a former teacher!
So it now doesn’t matter what your actual job is, what you’re trained and qualified in, that fruit isn’t going to pick itself.
I will place a bet now as well - even if the job is 30 miles away with no public transport, no childcare available for the early start needed to get there, you will be docked universal credit for saying 'but I cannot get there'.
I think we can take that as a given
https://twitter.com/SueSuezep/status/1486624974765006848?s=20
Even in a government as hideous as this lot, somehow Therese Coffey seems to stand out as particularly unfeeling and inhumane
So you now have to take ‘any’ job on offer within 4 weeks or your entitlement to benefits stops
Plays well to the angry red face "they're all lazy scrounging scum who should work for their dole" gammon crowd.
Also, for some reason, I just cannot help thinking of that episode of Futurama when Bender was turned into a human.
Plays well to the angry red face “they’re all lazy scrounging scum who should work for their dole” gammon crowd.
Though they seem very relaxed about billions of quids worth of fraud and huge scale tax evasion
Though they seem very relaxed about billions of quids worth of fraud and huge scale tax evasion
Its the way the verb works:
I am an entrepreneur
You sail quite close to the wind
He is a crook
We support free enterprise
They are lazy scrounging scum
Apparently the yob mp is a former teacher!
PE or IT ?
I'm starting to think this country is becoming hateful enough that I want to leave it. I can't bear opening up the news everyday to see the next round of exploitation by these corrupt and contemptible turds.
Can't believe that guy is an MP.
Surely his real home should be ranting on YT for hits.
Boris... He's basically on the campaign trail isn't he?
Luckily not much going on in the country/ Europe/ world that needs his attention at the moment...😟
I’m starting to think this country is becoming hateful enough that I want to leave it.
Which is kind of an own goal for the brexiteers, whilst pretending to be kicking out the 'illegals' but 'not realy', they've effectivley locked in a lot of UK citizens that can't leave now, even if they wanted to.
The Sack has been sewn by the racists, let the rats fight!
Operation "Red Meat" isn't it...
- tough on the "work shy" (otherwise know as lower income job hunters)
- (pretend to) mobilise the military to "protect our borders"
- keep saying we only have vaccines because we're not in the EU
- get your hard hats on and walk around the grounds of some supportive big business
- remind everyone they now have their "freedom" (mask wearing not enforced by law)
Operation "Save Big Dog" next...
- scrub the internal report so that everyone but Johnson takes the flak
- "sack" some civil servants from no10 & Cabinet Office (redeploy them in the FCO)
- welcome the "clearing of PM" when police investigation falls short
- keep saying that the public want to move on, and the opposition needs to stop banging on
London is also a lucrative place for Russia to do business and play. “Three beards” Lebedev is a friend of his and he (Johnson) likely knows that Putin has dirt on him, so I genuinely doubt he’ll do anything other than bluster about sending troops. Weapons, sure. Training, yeah. First sign of trouble?
I wouldn't doubt that a little bit of sabre rattling on the border of Ukraine to create the tension to keep a limping lame-duck PM in office and a country continually politically paralysed by small differences..... is the whole point of the exercise for Putin just now.
We've all seen the heavily redacted government report into Russian interference in UK politics.
There were more scrubbed out lines than there was content.
If that doesn't tell you something, then, well...
Now caught in another lie over evacuating dogs from Afghanistan. a pointless lie at that as he probably would have got public support for it
Boris… He’s basically on the campaign trail isn’t he?
He’s never come off it,it’s the only thing he’s good at.
Which is kind of an own goal for the brexiteers, whilst pretending to be kicking out the ‘illegals’ but ‘not realy’, they’ve effectivley locked in a lot of UK citizens that can’t leave now, even if they wanted to.
Yep,the days of just rocking up in Spain is long gone, unless you got the coin.
We’ve all seen the heavily redacted government report into Russian interference in UK politics.
Wasn’t the telling thing that they didn’t actively investigate the Russian interference in the Russia report 🙂
The UK Government have actively avoided looking for evidence that Russia interfered. We were told that they hadn’t seen any evidence, but that is meaningless if they hadn’t looked for it.
Which is kind of an own goal for the brexiteers, whilst pretending to be kicking out the ‘illegals’ but ‘not realy’,
There's a good program in TV about the Caribbean - vested interest, wifes family is Bajan - and there's a thing called "Blaxit" going on currently, where a lot of black Londoners our going back "home" to get out of dodge.
I’m starting to think this country is becoming hateful enough that I want to leave it
Part of the trouble is that we are awash with corrupt Russian and Middle Eastern oligarch cash, and culturally ripe for the kind of Koch brothers funded anti-science Trumpian borderline-far-right US culture wars BS.
It's a heady and horrific mix and we can see our democracy and public institutions being degraded right in front of us. It's not just the UK but we are particularly bad IMO.
The fact that boorish moron is an MP (and the PM of course) is a good indicator of where we're at.
Can’t believe that guy is an MP
Doesn’t he represent the most racist and moronic Brexity constituency in the country?
He’s a perfect fit then, no?
I’m starting to think this country is becoming hateful enough that I want to leave it.
Mrs DB keeps reminding me whilst I’m whittering away about Boris on Twitter is that he’s the best thing for Scottish Independence and the longer he’s PM, the more likely it will become reality. It would be wonderfully ironic that his ‘greatest’ achievement as a populist flag-shagger is the break-up of the UK. BTW you won’t be the first person to leave England for Scotland
After that fat joke I was really hoping he’d march across the chamber and stick one on Johnson.
Aren't all politicians supposed to have thick skins?
I wonder how many Conservative voters would vote for Putin if given the chance?
I know I won't vote for CCP.
Liz is getting a bit previous.
Clearly thinks she’s PM already
https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1486781634200358915?s=21
Her little jolly to Australia cost us muggins taxpayers half a million quid just for the plane.
I wonder how much her Downing Street wallpaper will cost and who’ll be paying for it?
There's quite a few Tories "Shopping for Wallpaper" at the moment..
Well… getting their interior designers to ‘shop for wallpaper’