[Closed] Bonfires in NI

It is a strange wee province indeed, in many ways.

Massive bonfires ready to be lit in a celebration of a rich and vibrant culture ?

How very dare they ?

Burning tyres is illegal and for a good reason.

Aye, we should stick to burning catholics

[i]in a celebration of a rich and vibrant culture ?[/i]

what's rich and cultural about the Battle of the Boyne?

12 pages, more biscuits than the mcvities factory, abortion, gay cakes and a kneecapping.

Is that a prediction or an itinerary?

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Is that a prediction or an itinerary?

Its the next Guy Ritchie film isn't it?

Burning tyres is illegal and for a good reason.

One of them is usually very close to the petrol tank.

I think it's you that's on fire tonight Cougar.

mucker

massive bonfires ready to be lit to celebrate bigotry made with pallets and tyres, hundreds of them FFS.

Exactly the same as every other year then. Quite a few near, or even on roads which obviously destroys them requiring yearly resurfacing. House window frames, oil tanks and guttering regularly melt due to the heat, to say nothing of the giant sprawling piles of crap that lie around all through June which go toward the bonefire. Yes it's wonderful.

cranberry - Member

Massive bonfires ready to be lit in a celebration of a rich and vibrant culture ?

Getting pissed and listening to scooter while burning Irish flags and effigies of catholics is rich and vibrant culture now? 😆

Doesnt the same thing happen in england every november, a huge waste of resourses and a high pollution risk

Doesnt the same thing happen in england every november, a huge waste of resourses and a high pollution risk

cranberry - Member
Massive bonfires ready to be lit in a celebration of a rich and vibrant culture ?

I see that rich and vibrant culture is truly worth celebrating

& definitely not an excuse for sectarian shitstirring
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John Finucane? @johnfinucane Jul 11
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My posters have been placed on top of a bonfire. I have reported this hate crime & theft to PSNI to allow them to act urgently
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We should have been playing Linfield tonight, but wasn't allowed on the 12th, so it's on Friday at 5pm. We've not taken any tickets.

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Build giant bonefires on public land, destroy property and infrastructure, endanger life, call for the murder of a group of people. Hard to imagine the police and councils not just tolerating, but actively facilitating this "vibrant culture" anywhere else in the uk.

The close proximity to property is mind boggling

Such a strange place

I emigrated.

I got caught up in the "marching season stupidity" on my way into work this morning.

I did point out to the police motorcycle rider that tried to stop me turning into our site we were trying to run a business that relied on distribution & if I got together with a few mates and blocked the road with our bikes we would be forcibly removed in no time at all.

Oh Liverpool BTW

Pity we don't have flying boat water bombers for fighting forest fires...
Just imagine:

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Bizarre human behaviour. Can't see any sensible justification for it at all.

I agree with everything you say in your last post jimjam, but you have to admit they put the effort in, those bonfires are ****ing HUGE.

Like all minor criminals if they put as much effort into doing something constructive, they'd be quite successful in life.

Huge waste of expensive blue chep pallets and other un branded pallets, have they never heard of the Grenfell fire and the proximity of some of those pallet stacks could easily start another one, thankfully therressa has promised them billions in aid for replacement pallets and fire lighters as well

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-40567967

Ok not NI

But for realz?

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OO.

Colour me shocked.

I really hate the idea of banning things, but....

All that shit, from both sides. Needs to be reigned in. Grow up people.

Indeed, its a ****ing embarrassment however you know as well as I do that the west coast (dickhead) mentality would never let it go without a fight, never mind in NI.

I am from Ayr. Half of my family are Protestant, half are Catholic. I was a child in the 60s and 70s brought up not to give a toss which denomination or faith you adhered to. Never appreciated what forward looking free thinkers my parents were.

gordimhor - Member

I am from Ayr. Half of my family are Protestant, half are Catholic. I was a child in the 60s and 70s brought up not to give a toss which denomination or faith you adhered to. Never appreciated what forward looking free thinkers my parents were.

That must have been hard. In Scotland.

Build giant bonefires on public land, destroy property and infrastructure, endanger life, call for the murder of a group of people. Hard to imagine the police and councils not just tolerating, but actively facilitating this "vibrant culture" anywhere else in the uk.

Best you avoid certain parts of Sussex around the 5th November, and whatever you do don't holiday anywhere near Valencia between 15th and 19th March. 😉

Didn't really impinge on me till my mid teens. I grew up a protestant Celtic fan. Went to mass with my cousins who lived nearby as my parents knew I would skip the church (just like they did)if left on my own. Meantime my uncle and cousins on the other side would be at Ibrox as often as they could. It's long past time we left all the sectarian bollocks behind but unfortunately it seems to be growing at this moment. I hope that's not a long term trend

this is what happens when people are brought up by certain traits. never travel , never aspire and integrate. i'm from n.ireland myself, we have been brought up with no religion or colours. i have friends from all walks and different countries.our family have all got a profession and our lives don't depend on a week in july every year. theres also the other side as well i won't argue that. but the 12th seems to bring out the real racist, bigot, neanderthals.

there's a saying here that you book your holiday abroad so you're away for the 12th as the whole country grounds to a halt for 'tradition'.

sbob

Build giant bonefires on public land, destroy property and infrastructure, endanger life, call for the murder of a group of people. Hard to imagine the police and councils not just tolerating, but actively facilitating this "vibrant culture" anywhere else in the uk.

Best you avoid certain parts of Sussex around the 5th November, and whatever you do don't holiday anywhere near Valencia between 15th and 19th March.

If you think that there is anything remotely analogous between bonefires in Northern Ireland and Guy Fawkes, other than something being set alight, then I'm afraid you have absolutely no insight or no clue as to what goes on in Northern Ireland or the implications.

Perhaps if all Guy Fawkes bonefires were built by the EDL using stolen materials, positioned on major roads, car parks or in close proximity to houses and then effigies of racial minorities and slogans along the lines of "kill all immigrants" or "death to non whites" were emblazoned on them, and this was all done in full view of, and indeed with the co-opertaion of the police and local councils, then you might have a point.

Giant bonfires on public land? Check.
Destroy property and infrastructure? Check.
Endanger life? Check.
Call for the murder of a group of people? Check.

I'm not trying to downplay the implications of what goes on in Northern Ireland, merely pointing out that shenanigans still exist on the mainland.

No Popery! 😀

The cultural imperialists on here who imagine that they can suggest that one culture is less valid or of less worth than another really do need to receive a re-education in multiculturalism.

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How did they get that back to being straight again at the top ? What marvellous arts and crafts the locals manage to create with the most primitive of materials.

Think cranberry might have been standing a bit close and inhaled too much burning tyre?

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lol, that video pretty much sums up their ghettos and mentally.

How did they get that back to being straight again at the top ? What marvellous arts and crafts the locals manage to create with the most primitive of materials.

Just goes to show you what can be done by a primitive culture, albeit with modern tools such as a stacker.....

Tidy work, dumb ideas.

Thank you for your concern Kimbers, but much as I like a good bonfire in the garden, I've never taking to sniffing tyres, burning or otherwise.

I have no love of the Orange Order - the only time I came across them was when I lived near the centre of Glasgow and wanted to walk into Sauchiehall street and found that my route was full of flutes and drums. I walked a couple of streets over from them so that no one thought I was with them and I could escape the sound of knuckles scraping on the tarmac. I just find it strange that the usual suspects who would defend minority cultures seem to get all sniffy regarding Scottish/Northern Irish protestantism.

It just smacks of double standards.

davidtaylforth - Member

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Despite disagreeing with just about everything the Orange Order stand for I'd absolutely defend anyone's right to peaceful assembly and to march peacefully. Including the Orange Order that would mean no marching through catholic areas,no stopping outside known Catholic's homes in any area and no inciting hatred by songs or any other means. I
The Orange order doesn't have a monopoly on the hatred and bigotry.Having said that I'd be gobsmacked if the Orangemen or women would extend the same tolerance to me

cranberry

I just find it strange that the usual suspects who would defend minority cultures seem to get all sniffy regarding Scottish/Northern Irish protestantism.

It just smacks of double standards.

Quite right. If swift and decisive action isn't taken then there's a very real chance that this gentle indigenous culture may lose their status as part of the religious majority, which could well lead to them losing their position of being the only religious denomination represented by the DUP, the largest party in the Stormont assembly. Left unprotected they might even see their tiny 70% majority in the police force fade away to nothing, and indeed without a concerted effort to pool their vast financial resources we could see a situation occurring where farmland falls into the hands of catholics.

It's about as relevant as commemorating the battle of Waterloo.

And we don't do that. Why not? Well why would you?

It's just a festival of divisive sectatianism. Pure and simple. And it has absolutely no place in the 21st century. It looked hopelessly outdated in the 20th

Time to move on people

It's a strange coincidence that across social media, swivel-eyed Tory nut-jobs are rushing to defend their Orange brethren. Any idea why that might be? Trying to work it out myself.

It's a piss up is what it is Binners, an excuse for a load of retards to get bladdered and cause bother.

For my sins, I've been a Rangers fan all my days, but I (along with most reasonably thinking of my fellow fans) really hate the stuff that these people attach to the club. It's a load of shite, our manager and many of our players are Roman Catholic FFS.

The head of the orange order in Scotland was interviewed by big John Beattie on radio recently, it was embarrassing.

I wish the whole bloody lot of them, on both sides, would just bloody give it a rest and grow up.

For my sins, I've been a Rangers fan all my days

So who do you support now? 😉

Without wanting to have a pop at you personally, I don't understand how someone could disown that part of the rangers support and still remain a fan. From the outside looking in it's far from a small minority and the sectarism seems like a huge part of the club and fans identity. For what it's worth I'd say the same about the other lot as well. If it wasn't so ugly it would be comical as it's got nothing to do with football whatsoever.

Cranberry, its nothing to do with double standards. It's bigotry through and through, why defend the indefensible? Try actually living in it and then tell us we're being unreasonable. And FWIW neither NoBeer nor myself have singled any group out in our condemnation.

That said, OO would have been banned as a terrorist group years ago if it had been a thing. It's not just marching and bonfires they've been involved in...

squirrelking - Member
That said, OO would have been banned as a terrorist group years ago if it had been a thing. It's not just marching and bonfires they've been involved in...

Nobeerinthefridge - Member

I wish the whole bloody lot of them, on both sides, would just bloody give it a rest and grow up.

Btw I also think the whole sectarian thing in Scotland is a pile of nonsense tbh, something for the chattering classes to bump their gums about. Which is shameful. It hides the real underlying problem which is essentially racism, intolerance and quite frankly, ignorance.

Is that exclusive to rangers or the orange order, no. I've even came to blows with Celtic fans with it in the past, and would do so again should it present itself in the same way, ie someone getting personally abused in front of me.

It's not even exclusive to any group, but it is an underlying and intrinsic part of your base orange culture. But that paints too black and white a picture to just blame them. You get it even from people with their wee comments and hushed tones when talking about certain things.

And tbh it's far from even just a Scottish problem as we all know it's UK wide. A lot of people are just intolerant of what isn't them. Bloody sad imo. Diversity is a wonderful thing. But in Scotland it's convenient to package it up as sectarianism. The real problem is societal intolerance, something we should all be concerned about. The likes of OO Neanderthals and their EDL brethren and their sense of empowerment is really just a symptom of wider intolerance. Fix the wider issue and these groups will disappear in to obscurity imo.

Obviously in the like of NI it's a more complex issue. They basically have to appease certain elements and there's a much longer game to be played, that shouldn't apply in Britain imo. But people need to to wake up to the problem.

Sorry Joe but you're talking shite. Sure, a lot of them are racists but by the same token a lot of them are straight up indoctrinated into it, certainly from my fathers generation at least. That's what makes the OO worse, the existence of a state sanctioned* hate group.

And yes, there are two sides to the same coin, or are you going to tell us that one side is blameless in all this?

*in certain areas at least

Blameless? Far from it, I can quite easily talk about "my sides" failings. But one side has a far bigger problem.

But, I gen up think there's far too much made of it all though and the problem is more a wider societal one than of green and orange, it's really not 1960 or 70 anymore. Orange culture is just an easy place for these issues to manifest themselves.

I disagree, both sides have the same problem but one happens to have a prominent members club.

Ah, the place that I call home. I moved to Manchester 3 years ago and it's the one thing I absolutely do not miss.

But you know, I grew up in a pretty strong loyalist area. I remember feeling safe as a kid and loving the 12th of July. Got to make a band pole and everything. But I don't really remember thinking as a kid what it was about. I definitely remember the hatred, though. Maybe I turned out alright and caught onto to it as a young adult. my mates and I used it as an excuse for a piss up when we were younger. Now most of my friends at home leave Belfast and get away for a few days over that period.

How wonderful to see that the republicans aren't going to let the loyalists out do them on the bonfire stakes and disruption in NI

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-40856210

Need a slap the lot of them

Council should just leave the place as it was the morning after.

Knuckle dragging ****tards

The joys of sectarianism